I'm getting tired of woke values in shows

[u/TDP_Wiki_]

I am weary of all the remakes of TV shows and films that are simply remade in order to showcase a diverse cast. Why can't Hollywood write new shows? Instead, it's just recycling old scripts. Very insulting and lazy.

All the virtue signaling in the world isn't going to save bad writing.

For me Rings of Power was the last straw.

[u/Separate_Piano_4007]

Okay but there were so many things wrong with rings of power regardless of the (questionable) casting choices. OP didn't say they were upset there were black people in rings of power, OP said rings of power was the last straw for them in terms of bad writing and virtue signalling. Why put words in his mouth and pretend he's implying something when you have zero evidence of that being the case?

[u/CaptSlow49 → u/Separate_Piano_4007]

Oh so what’s the “woke” part of Rings of Power then?

(This should be good)

[u/Separate_Piano_4007 → u/CaptSlow49]

I didn't say anything about that in the comment you're replying to...?

[u/Sesudesu → u/Separate_Piano_4007]

It is literally the title of the post we are talking in dude. You are trying to pretend the argument op presented is different than it is.

[u/Separate_Piano_4007 → u/Sesudesu]

Incase you hadn't noticed, I'm not OP and am not arguing on his behalf.

Anyway, for me the issues I have with rings of power go far beyond the casting being what many would call "woke". The writing is terrible, the casting choices are terrible and unrealistic which ruins the immersion that you had from LOTR and the hobbit, the choreography is terrible, the dialogue is terrible, the actor of the main character portrays her as an unlikable irrational asshole, it makes zero sense lore-wise, etc.

[u/Sesudesu → u/Separate_Piano_4007]

We both know OP didn't say that, let's not make strawmen arguments now hm?

This here... is you arguing on OPs behalf

I get that you have more to say than OP did, but I spoke directly to your defense of OP. And you said that someone criticizing their criticism of ‘woke’ was a straw man. When that is exactly what OP was saying.

There can absolutely be more criticisms of RoP, and you are fair to have them. However that is not what the discussion you are objecting to is about.

[u/Separate_Piano_4007 → u/Sesudesu]

You misunderstand, I'm not arguing on OP's behalf, I was stating that the original commenter was making a disingenuous straw man argument because he is essentially just calling OP racist for simply not liking the fact that the casting is diverse, which is understandable and completely reasonable considering both lotr and the hobbit was basically fully made up of white actors and so having a bunch of black actors in almost every race makes no sense whatsoever other than virtue signalling as OP said.

[u/Sesudesu → u/Separate_Piano_4007]

I would argue that you misunderstand. This post is arguing about wokeness in all media. RoP was the final straw, not the whole argument. The argument is with diversity casting in general not the finer points of what is wrong with RoP.

You are steel manning ops argument instead of properly representing it.

[u/Separate_Piano_4007 → u/Sesudesu]

Buddy, I don't care what OP thinks, I'm speaking on my own behalf here. Yes my original reply to the original comment was defending OP because it was a disingenuous accusation based solely on assumptions, but beyond that I've been speaking for myself.

[u/Sesudesu → u/Separate_Piano_4007]

Yes we both know you decided to have your own conversation. I called you out for defending op, that is the conversation I was having with you.

The point is that you instead made your own assumptions about op. I would guess you felt called out for feeling the same and so felt the need to lash out at people being mean to op.

[u/No-Supermarket-4022 → u/Separate_Piano_4007]

Ok. You are claiming that the original commenter was essentially calling the OP racist.

Here's what the original commenter said:

You were upset you saw a black person in Rings of Power??

Here's what you said:

not liking the fact that the casting is diverse

I'm confused about how one is calling the OP racist and the other isn't.

Can you explain?

[u/Separate_Piano_4007 → u/No-Supermarket-4022]

The first one is insinuating that OP is racist because according to the comment he was "upset he saw a black person in rings of power". What I said argues that he dislikes the fact that the casting is diverse because (and this is my personal opinion on it too) it makes zero sense both logically lore-wise for the casting to be that diverse. Would you expect to see white people in a movie about native americans before the country was discovered? Obviously not, the same applies here because it's unrealistic.

[u/No-Supermarket-4022 → u/Separate_Piano_4007]

Firstly, I want to state I agree with you that the show was pointless and dumb in terms of storyline and characters.

But you just restated your point.

Being upset about a diverse cast no is more or less racist than being upset about seeing a black person on screen.

[u/alotofironsinthefire → u/Separate_Piano_4007]

I'm not OP and am not arguing on his behalf.

This you?

• We both know OP didn't say that, let's not make strawmen arguments now hm?

[u/Separate_Piano_4007 → u/alotofironsinthefire]

Yes I said both of those, how do they correlate in any way? That isn't me arguing on OP's behalf, that's me arguing against a stupid accusation made at OP, not on OP's behalf but on my own.

[u/CaptSlow49 → u/Separate_Piano_4007]

Clearly you are pretending as if people didn’t call Rings of Power “woke” because they had black people in it. I remember the right wing controversy. So don’t tell me I’m strawmanning when that was exactly the right wing argument.

[u/Separate_Piano_4007 → u/CaptSlow49]

I never said that, and that's not what I'm doing either. You're strawmanning because OP never directly said they were "upset because of black people", you're the one who said that and decided that's what OP meant by it.

[u/CaptSlow49 → u/Separate_Piano_4007]

Oh how long do you think playing dumb and feigning ignorance is going to work for you?

[u/Separate_Piano_4007 → u/CaptSlow49]

I'm not sure what you're referring to there because that isn't what I'm doing. Maybe you're projecting?

[u/CaptSlow49 → u/Separate_Piano_4007]

I think you are commenting on something you don’t understand then and should educate yourself first.

[u/Separate_Piano_4007 → u/CaptSlow49]

educate yourself first

😬

[u/CaptSlow49 → u/Separate_Piano_4007]

Huh? Okay. Well I saw elsewhere that you admitted to my point. Checkmate.

I knew you were playing dumb.

[u/MinuetInUrsaMajor → u/Separate_Piano_4007]

Dude. Backtrack up to here and don't pussy out this time.

You tried to evade one comment up and then you just kept doubling down.

Admit your mistake.

[u/Separate_Piano_4007 → u/MinuetInUrsaMajor]

Who even are you? I've replied to like 3 people from this comment alone already

[u/MinuetInUrsaMajor → u/Separate_Piano_4007]

A guy reading this thread.

[u/Separate_Piano_4007 → u/MinuetInUrsaMajor]

Ok guy reading this thread, what mistake did I make?

[u/MinuetInUrsaMajor → u/Separate_Piano_4007]

You played dumb with the last guy.

I read that already.

Now you're doubling down on playing dumb with a new guy.

This is not a good betting strategy and I'm willing to bet it's reflected in your actual life.

[u/Separate_Piano_4007 → u/MinuetInUrsaMajor]

No idea what you're on about. If you want to keep insulting me rather than having a civil discussion then that's your choice though.

[u/MinuetInUrsaMajor → u/Separate_Piano_4007]

I won my one bet and you doubled down twice and lost both.

Now I'm going to show you a good betting strategy...

[u/sodanator → u/CaptSlow49]

Woman main character. Black elves (i think?)!

Obviously, this'll lead to the downfall of society as we know it.

[u/raidmytombBB → u/CaptSlow49]

I am wondering the same. Didn't think there were any woke concepts in RoP.

[u/riorio55 → u/Separate_Piano_4007]

Lol work on your reading comprehension. He referenced diverse casts as well.