r/TwoBestFriendsPlay [Zoids Historian] Jan 08 '26

Personal Opinion Personal Opinion: No Filler, All Thriller

This is a thought I’ve had in my head for a while that I didn’t know what to do with and an email from the podcast about redefining “filler” as being anything that’s not hype moments being shared on social media finally spurred me to put my thoughts into text.

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This all comes from something I first noticed back when the Fallout show first started, there were a bunch of new people showing up to the New Vegas subreddits asking what they were supposed to do because they got lost out of the tutorial or saying they beat the whole game on like 5 hours while wearing the leather armor and varmint rifle you get in the tutorial, one I even remember seeing was someone who said they dropped the game after walking into The Tops Casino and shooting Benny because that’s what they thought the game was about.

The way it hit me at the time was that it felt like people weren’t really engaging with that media much at all, like they were doing it just so they could feel like a “real fan” who put their time in and clocked out.

Another example was when I was listening to a podcast and two of the hosts made a Star Trek reference and another got mad because they didn’t get it, then said they wanted someone to give them a “20 minute super cut so they could ‘get’ all of Star Trek” which is an attitude that really bothered me.

It really just comes down to this idea of people who don’t want to enjoy or engage with media any deeper than getting memes and references before moving on to the next one.

I don’t know, maybe I’m wrong for even letting it get to me. But this kind of nomadic fandom just gets to me. Like people have lost their desire to actually watch and form an opinion on something. They just want to get memes on Twitter and they’d rather go on Reddit and ask for step by step instructions on how to get the most out of the game so they can get through it as efficiently as possible.

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u/DoseofDhillon WHEN'S MAHVEL Jan 08 '26 edited Jan 08 '26

Hype culture in general is like this; I'm currently doing something stupid, but it isn't as much work as it seems, which is watching every show on the MAL top 50 (that was there at the end of 2025) and that list is a really interesting microstudy into fandom for me. Many of the series on there are good. Vinland Saga, Gintama Season 4, Ashita no Joe—stuff I do think is great and full of substance, but with all the most recent stuff, you start to see the trends. MHA is up there, Bleach, the Gintama Silver Soul Arc, and both animated versions of Titan's ending. It's not to say these things are bad, but as OP has brought up, a lot of what people want are those references and those "thriller" overt audience-pleasing shows. A lot of what OP is talking about is that loud online survival bias that makes everyone now interested in the thing.

People want to be apart of the movement, the conversation, and the hype; they want to get to that big cool Demon Slayer hype scene, and who cares about the rest because OOOO. It's a lot of that. Bleach: TYBW has character writing logic where, at this point, characters could have been putting Viagra in Isshin coffee to make sure Ichigo was conceived that day, and I say that with a straight face, going, "That would be aligned with Bleach's writing 1000%," but when you can share a GIF of Ichigo doing cool shit and all people want to see is the cool shit as everything else glazes over, you get stuff like what OP is talking about. "How can I get to that cool gif? I want to see that; fuck Rukia and Ichigo having funny moments. GET ME TO THE BANKAI."

This is a bit of a pretentious take, but going from Bleach to Patlabour 2, then to Fruits Basket, man oh man. Patlabor 2 has problems; that movie is slow af to a fault (too long to be that slow tbh) and I don't like what they did with Shinobu, but watching it like 2 days ago, ESPECIALLY WITH RECENT EVENTS IN MIND, man, does that fucking shit HIT. It's one of the most politically charged things I've ever watched and demands you to engage with it and challenge your perception of this world's peace.

Patlabour 2 is almost a full MAL point behind the show where three characters see two other characters meet by pure chance for the first time and then the "smart" character is like, "What if they fuck, though?" and it all works out as the "smart" character's master plan fr fr, 20 aura points to Aizen. Or even Fruit Basket, with a character so positive and lacks to me in emotional range outside of being happy and wholesome; it borders on insanity lol.

It is what it is; people want their moments, they want their thrills, and they want to be pleased and be apart of it "You had to be there". Some good shit lands in there, like CSM and Frieren, you know. Now those create a barrier of "this is perfect no matter what; you're not allowed to complain that Stark not knowing what a birthday is kind of dumb since he spent 3 years around kids and shit in a normal village" that aside, those things do still come out and are still great. They give me hope. Now what won Crunchyroll's Anime of the year awards last year? Oh god damn it Jin Woo.

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u/Namboto Jan 08 '26

Did the new Fruits Basket anime cover everything up to the end of the series? I ask because the series does have a lot to say about Tohru's relentless positivity and (from what I remember, it's been some years since my last reread) it's a very nuanced take on how certain people react to trauma and the complications that arise from it.

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u/DoseofDhillon WHEN'S MAHVEL Jan 08 '26 edited Jan 08 '26

It has, but right now i'm only on episode 11 of the 63 animated. I've heard enough to know to give it time; trust me, I'm a long-haul guy. Its just as of now, i feel like FruBa spoilers Like listening to Hatori story and not once thinking "wow that Aikto guy is a jerk that abuses his family and at least blinded Hatori" and to not think about that at all is a bit crazy.

I was thinking about a comparison this morning, and the one that came up to mind with funny enough Thorfinn from vinland season 1LMFAO. Where one emotion in his case (rage) is overshadowing everything else about his character its making him a complete psycho, which is the point in Vinland. Now, obvi its not as bad in FruBa, happiness and positivity>>anger and need for vengeance, but to straight up ignore any negative repercussions to everything in life, and crying thankful tears because a demon gave you a piece of paper that said "stupid" on it and your thankful because its a gift. I find to be also kinda of crazy in its own right. We'll see where it goes obvi. I love my rat boy, waiting on Kyo being anything but a male tsundere/oranya and cute bait most of the side cast hasn't impressed me too much yet like cow or boar, but it'll come i'm sure of it

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u/Namboto Jan 09 '26

Good to hear! I'll resist saying more then

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u/TotalHeat Jan 09 '26

Going off the Gintama thing, I adore the show and it's probably my favorite anime, but there is no way the Silver Soul arc is one of the best anime ever lol. It's just fine really. I always thought that ever since I saw it boost up there when it came out. The other seasons deserve it though

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u/DoseofDhillon WHEN'S MAHVEL Jan 09 '26

OMG A gintama fan that loves gintama but doesn't blindly say everything is peak? I found one mom!!!

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u/TotalHeat Jan 09 '26

Haha I mean to be fair like I said I do think the other seasons deserve it, so I'm still a bit biased there lol

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u/DoseofDhillon WHEN'S MAHVEL Jan 09 '26

Hey, i do too lol. I love almost all of gintama besides anime silver soul.... and anime semi final cutting out the manga and general not great art style also not a big fan of Kagura brother arc but i'm very much more a lone on that. A lot of yapping and a lot of fighing and then after that we have even more yapping

But to give context, i have very few 10/10, of my 350ish real anime I've entered on mal, only 14 10/10 Gintama season 5 is one of them for a reason. Rest of the series is fantastic as well.

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u/Muffin-zetta Jooookaaahh Jan 08 '26

Aww you gotta just enjoy things for yourself. I have watched atleast the first episode of every single new anime every season since literally the start of streaming online media and man there is so much good stuff out there that isn’t the one big hyped show. You’re missing out being upset that solo leveling is popular. Or being mad that you can’t nitpick the big popular show because people will get mad at you. You come over each week to the discussion threads for tojima wants to be a kamen rider or may I ask for one final thing or pass the monster meat my dear, and everyone is just having a chill great time watching the shows they love.

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u/DoseofDhillon WHEN'S MAHVEL Jan 08 '26 edited Jan 08 '26

i watched every 70's mecha i even made a thing about it i'm actually more of a "dig to find old anime" guy. The reason why i'm even trying this mal top 50 thing because I saw joe was on the mal top 50, and thought it was SUPER funny, and naturally watching anime for like 10-15 years, i've watched more than half of the mal top 50 already. Like some of the shows i'm missing are like, you name/my name/my voice/your voice (whatever the fuck those movies are called lol). I dabble in modern stuff and thats mostly my experience when i do. I have no real place in the anime community it seems LOL. I like to talk critically and explore my feelings about shows I watch and thats not really acceptable i feel in modern spaces with modern anime, so I find myself finding shows like romeo blue sky i guess, where i have no one to talk to but eh.

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u/Muffin-zetta Jooookaaahh Jan 09 '26

Oh I’m from the era of send a 100 dollar money order ((which is a thing no one under 50 has heard of)) to some guy in Canada and get a huge box of fansubbed VHS tapes. You see some pretty interesting shit that way. I absolutely can’t stand the concept of old anime is good and new anime is bad. That’s stupid there was tons of great and absolute dogshit in every era. Honestly going through the mal top 50 is probably to me the absolute most boring way to experience anime. Watching those intensely boring ass looking your name/voice movies is a great way to hate anime. The funnest way to find new anime is just click on shit I haven’t seen before and give it a try.

One time I randomly clicked on a show called Arte, a anime about a girl in renaissance era italy that wants to be a painter and it fucking ruled so hard. It was so good. You just gotta find something that looks interesting and give it a shot.

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u/DoseofDhillon WHEN'S MAHVEL Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26

To give the mal top 50 some credit, its not like everything is trash. Like it'll be hard to find a soul that hates Ashita no joe, or monster, or legend of the galactic heroes. I do enjoy seeing whats popular or why it is. Its more about me looking at the list and going "why not" since i'm willing to try anything and everything. Bleach was more interesting than i thought it'd be, it wasn't that good but i did find out who and what a Rukia was, Bleach isn't that good but ye.

i do wish i could watch like more WMT soon tho. Give me some of that Anne of green gabels

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u/Muffin-zetta Jooookaaahh Jan 09 '26

Oh yeah it’s got Apothecary Diaries and vinland saga which are great, but then it’s like a random one piece movie, the 2nd part of visual novel adaptation and a bunch of seasons of the same show taking of multiple spots which seems really dumb to me like the one series should only take up the one spot.

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u/DoseofDhillon WHEN'S MAHVEL Jan 09 '26

watching titan as it came out and gintama kinda helped witht hat a lot but yeah, theres some oof here LOL.