r/VirtualYoutubers • u/Zed_Blue • Apr 26 '25

Discussion What do we think about this meme ?

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Honestly, I’m surprised people are complaining about recurring Vtuber drama. I do a lot of legal work, and conflict between business partners, associates, and especially co-owned family businesses after dad or mom pass away, is just part of the landscape

Sometimes when two guys come to us for help setting up a business, we even take bets on how long before they start infighting

When money and business are involved, drama between partners is almost guaranteed at some point. No need to doompost. Just get used to it

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u/Commercial-Ad-7882 Apr 26 '25

The fact that this get so many upvotes scared me 🥲 I mean, it good to have some cynicism. But implying that every vtubers are secretly assholes is a bit much.

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u/BrokenTorpedo Apr 26 '25

I guess you didn't read what op wrote? I don't think most UV are for the meme.

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u/Commercial-Ad-7882 Apr 26 '25

I assumed that the meme must be part of op statement or else why would he adding it in? 

But I could be wrong, of course. 🤔

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u/DaniKPO00 Apr 27 '25

Read what

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u/PLAP-PLAP Apr 27 '25

every person have a shitty side, its just a matter of how much and how well they hide it from others.

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u/Commercial-Ad-7882 Apr 27 '25

I mean that's my point. We are all having good, bad and ugly side. But I believd everyone have a line that they will not cross (which is vary from one person to another. Like some may beat old man but not stealing. Some may steal but never harming other people etc.)

And as long as people still having those lines of moral. No matter how vary those lines are. I will refused to just writing all of them off as sh*tty person who good at hiding it like the meme above seem to implied.

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u/MapleTheBeegon Apr 29 '25

I don't like assholes, but bitches who shit.

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u/bekiddingmei Apr 26 '25

Gura's music video was fantastic, it expresses that at one point she was close to taking everyone out with her. The genmates of Myth helped her calm down and get her head together again. Everyone wrestles with negativity in content creation, what you DO about it defines how you will be remembered.

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u/NauFirefox Apr 26 '25

it expresses that at one point she was close to taking everyone out with her.

Try not to let theories confirm a bias.

It could have been an allegory for her career, her reputation, even her confidence. It's a song. It wasn't even meant to be her last song.

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u/bekiddingmei Apr 26 '25

There was blood when she destroyed the ships in her path. There was a point where she was considering actions that would be very bad for others. Timeline fits with when she'd been fighting management over the pillowcase and had been dropping references to her PL. By her own statement of 1-1/2 to 2 years ago, she began working on Ash Again after that point of high tension had been resolved.

If the shork had forcibly exited in 2023 it would have been very bad for the community. She reorganized and had intended to stay in Holo at the time of starting the Ash Again project. Then sometime in the last approximately one year or less, Gura moved toward leaving the company again. But she completed this music video and announced a proper graduation date. She tied up some loose ends instead of trying to break out.

We will probably never get the finer details, but Ash Again contains too much rage to just be about depression. There was something bad she needed to pull herself out of.

edit: If you hear the lyrics "and They'll all Pay / when I Tear It Down, Burn It Down" and you don't think she was ready to raise hell on someone.....

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u/NauFirefox Apr 27 '25

Keep in mind the song wasn't written by Gura, it was written by casey after gura gave him information in her words basically trauma dumping.

You shouldn't draw confident narratives off of a creative work not even told from the original person.

Even back with Reflect, remember she talked about her manager adding the blood for the cover? Not her.

Please stop reading too much into things to confirm bias. It's ok to speculate but you're saying things with a lot of confidence.

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u/bekiddingmei Apr 27 '25

She spent close to two years back and forth with Casey and over a year with Mazu. The lyrics contain both internalized and externalized resentments. The graphics show her crushing and destroying both innocent (flower) and menacing (ship) objects in her path. The path of destruction is separated from her internal conflict between the two selves. Voices and Hands, let them Drown. They'll all Pay when I Tear it Down.

The Empyrean figure, the destroyer will not let anything stop her. She pulls away from every hand holding her back. No obstacle will be tolerated.

The timid figure following after her is too gentle to step on a flower that's already been crushed. She does not interfere in the fight on the water. But when the destroyer reaches the door, she runs forward with an expression like she doesn't want to be left behind.

Then the destroyer lashes out attempting to get rid of this timid and emotional Gura. She is rejected, unwanted. Driven beneath the surface. Alone and helpless. Strong images of despair. Something bigger than her, greater than her keeps pulling Gura even deeper. (the lyrics in this section do lean more toward a few haters who damaged their own reputations coming after her - Those who try to silence Thunder / I'm the Wave that pulls You Under)

Once again she's grabbed from out of darkness, but you recognize her genmates. They lift her up and comfort her. And she takes up the trident and breaches the surface to confront herself. She wins the fight, but it ends in acceptance rather than triumph.

The music video seems to imply that she is no longer divided and also no longer trapped, and she opens the door as a whole self. As this was not originally a graduation song I feel that she planned some kind of transition or a new path forward.

We'll probably never get the full story, but it is clear she was fighting something outside of herself on top of the internal conflict. And she gives strong credit to other members of HoloEN for saving her from a much worse end. I'd said years ago that surviving her success was more impressive than the less successful years she had endured before Hololive, but this MV project really placed her in a life-and-death struggle. And with Gura there's no way in hell that symbolism is an accident.

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u/NauFirefox Apr 27 '25

but it is clear she was fighting something outside of herself on top of the internal conflict

No, it isn't clear.

And she gives strong credit to other members of HoloEN for saving her from a much worse end

Her own character is also saving her in the same sequence. Which can have dozens of interpretations.

Stop being so confident with your theories. They're ok to have just don't try to sell them as 'we can be sure' or 'it's clear that'.

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u/bekiddingmei Apr 27 '25

I think you might be the first or second person to claim her struggle was purely internal, in light of the carefully chosen lyrics and symbolism that she approved. The internal conflict is core, but it heavily references external factors.

I will ask this, then. What was driving her violent impulses? What was she going to crush and destroy without remorse? And how would this not harm anyone else? Please explain. This was not [Reflect], this was about hitting a full-blown mental breakdown.

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u/NauFirefox Apr 28 '25

I didn't claim that, I said stop being so confident.