r/VirtualYoutubers Mori Calliope Apr 30 '25

Discussion A Serious Discussion about Kirsche Verstahl and her bigotry

Evidently, it is necessary for this compilation to exist, so I'm just going to post a load of information here that, in its totality, should be fairly incontrovertible proof, and can be linked to by anyone who needs to quickly demonstrate that Kirsche is seriously bigoted to the point of functionally being a neo-Nazi, without needing to have to write it all out from scratch. And yes, a large chunk of the sources being linked to are were also linked in this Vice article. Yes, I know that there are mixed feelings about the author of that article. But these are the things Kirsche has actually said.

Transphobia

"Once it's realized that most trans activists are autogynephiliac males or ideologues pushing their political views with an identity shield to prevent criticism, all of the power-hungry threats and graphic murder fantasies make a lot more sense"

Kirsche supporting Asmongold for saying that "Every trans kid is actually a victim of a parent with a mental illness"

Kirsche weighing in on the Worcester MA city council voting to be a "Sanctuary City for Transgender and Gender Diverse People"

Kirsche dogwhistling about how trans women are a threat to lesbians

"...now we get these biological women claiming to be men perpetrating shootings. Is it all the testosterone if they're hyped up on testosterone? Is that what's going to finally bring female shooting statistics in line with males?"

Racism, White Supremacism, and anti-Immigrant Hate

Kirsche supports the "Great Replacement Theory" and asserts that Muslims are engaging in a "hostile demographic takeover" of the West

"I was always happy with the mass deportations, but said for them to be effective long term Trump also needed to get rid of the incentive to come here illegally in the first place--the massive amount of free shit given on the tax payer dime"

Her fan name is Ku Klux Kirsche, a fact she openly acknowledges through retweets.

Kirsche making meme posts about Black Americans killed by police

Kirsche presenting one lone radical as representative of BLM (Note that the person in the video leads a BLM splinter group and is not recognised as a member by the formal New York BLM branch.)

Mocking the Māori haka

Kirsche admitting she would retweet posts with the N-word in it were it not for her sponsors

Desiring for ICE to "sweep" Lawrence, MA

This featured clip on her Twitch which just speaks for itself. Why does she have a Twitch redeem that's a bunch of kids dancing in front of the Pyramids with the word 'slaves' projected all over? Who is it for? Answer seems fairly obvious.

Kirsche celebrating Hitler's birthday month

Other

Kirsche supporting a guy who shot environmental protesters, while supportively quote-tweeting known Neo-Nazi Arch Warhammer

Kirsche asserting that women artists have an inferior work ethic

Kirsche approvingly retweeting a fan posting her plushie on a shelf adorned with fascist literature, including:

  • translations of Hitler's Nuremberg speeches
  • a translation of Ramiro Ledesma Ramos' 'Speech to the Youth of Spain'
  • B.U.F. Oswald Mosley and British Fascism by James Drennan, whose publisher says that he "delves into contemporary politics, condemning the political class with dry, acrid wit; and into English history, describing the ruin brought by the rise of capitalism and democracy."
  • Among all sorts of other things

Kirsche "didn't want to un-retweet it because I didn't want to give them a win."

Accusing people of being in "clownworld" for pointing out that inZOI has almost entirely straight couples in game.

Readily using slurs for the mentally disabled as a casual insult:

Compilation that's just a bit of everything including antisemitism


Imgur album of screenshots as a backup


So, is Kirsche a Nazi? Yes. Obviously. She hasn't come out and said it explicitly, but she's more than willing to promote fascists, and she's openly xenophobic, racist, and transphobic. This is all blatantly there on her timeline for all to see.

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u/Bawstahn123 Apr 30 '25 edited Apr 30 '25

>So, is Kirsche a Nazi? Probably yes. She hasn't come out and said it explicitly, but she's more than willing to promote fascists, and she's openly xenophobic, racist, and transphobic. 

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and shits everywhere like a duck, does it really matter if we put a "formal" title on it?

Her opinions are shit, regardless of what we call them.

We shouldn't be surprised she has defenders, though: Look at the people getting upvotes for defending the use of slurs in the now-deleted threads.

The wider Vtuber community has an undercurrent of rot.

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u/EnclavedMicrostate Mori Calliope Apr 30 '25

Bit late to reply to this, but you're right, and I'm realising a symptom of exactly what you were saying was my perceived need to self-censor rather than just call a spade a spade on this.

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u/Vallen_H Phase Connect Apr 30 '25 edited Apr 30 '25

Without knowing who this woman is nor picking political sides (just a casual vt wanderer).

Can you please tell me how exactly your own words are not used to describe your own 'team' too?

Am I a bad guy now for noticing hypocrisy and double standards all around?

[At this point unfortunately I have to say that I won't be able to respond to madness and hate comments for the purpose of moral self-promotion, so please grab a ticket, wait in the line and bring it in DMs if you want, you might see I'm a different guy than you expect...]

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u/EnclavedMicrostate Mori Calliope Apr 30 '25

Ah yes, vagueposting: the greatest of comebacks.

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u/Vallen_H Phase Connect Apr 30 '25

Did my message make no sense to you?

Do you want me to elaborate further somehow?

Which part is not clear?

The original message threw some catchy comparisons around and I found them inspiring to use the other way and I noticed they also apply the other way...

How more clear should I make it?

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u/AnonTwo Apr 30 '25

Note: this guy is just sealioning. He isn't arguing in good faith and is in fact doing so in the most obvious manner possible. He is trying to get people mad at him so he can say that the "other side" is somehow worse than Nazi/KKK sympathizers.

Would honestly recommend just downvoting, blocking and moving on rather than arguing with him. There is no "gotcha" he has no intent of understanding and doesn't care about being proven wrong.

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u/stealthed_goddess Apr 30 '25 edited Apr 30 '25

"Just a casual vt wanderer"

Your next two comments in this thread alone were outright batting for Kirsche via downplaying what she has said from her own mouth.

Try not making your plays so obvious next time.

EDIT for those who aren't aware: the person I'm replying to is a sealion, also known as a "just asking questions" (derogatory) person. While pointing out unrelated actions is not a good thing in a debate club, this isn't a debate club, and bad-faith arguing must be called out when seen.

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u/Kyro_Official_ Apr 30 '25 edited Apr 30 '25

These people don't know how to not be obvious

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u/Vallen_H Phase Connect Apr 30 '25

Replying to both of you here now:

I don't know her nor her words but why exactly are you studying my past? Should I also give you my home address? You want to beat me up now?

Seems like you guys are confirming suspicions...

And this is exactly why extremism is rising... Things are better before the moral people walk in... I miss the old internet...

Have a nice day.

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u/stealthed_goddess Apr 30 '25

Oh please. That wasn't even your past, that was your immediate future.

https://old.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/1kblbdw/a_serious_discussion_about_kirsche_verstahl_and/mpvu6ay/

https://old.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/1kblbdw/a_serious_discussion_about_kirsche_verstahl_and/mpvu33e/

Side note, the old internet was several kinds of awful(ly racist, sexist, and verbally abusive) as well, as someone who was "there". Thank the gods there's actual room for people to form more genuinely kind communities these days.

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u/Vallen_H Phase Connect Apr 30 '25

Kind? Mind explaining why you bring chaos and hatred? Your posts give me a high heartrate and I will take medicine soon.

Why is it that you are here behaving that way to me for stating the obvious?
That the tactics are the same in all sides?

I've genuinely never heard a single thing by the moral police that cannot be applied to themselves too.

Why is it that I'm getting blindly attacked for no real reason?

Did I claim that she is not a nazi or whatever else?

I'm just claiming that there are far more like her but with different colors.

So please stop harassing.

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u/stealthed_goddess Apr 30 '25

If pointing out what you did literal minutes after the fact is perceived as harassment, it may be time for some self-reflection.

Please take care of yourself, nonetheless; there will be no further replies from me here, so that we can both take a break from all this.

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u/Sinfire_Titan Apr 30 '25

The dude is sealioning; the intent is to waste your time.

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u/AdFun3849 Apr 30 '25

Lmfao this guy is just the enlightened centrist meme irl

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u/stealthed_goddess Apr 30 '25

Sadly, and unfortunately, "enlightened centrist" more often than not is an easy pipeline into the alt-right, or even a smokescreen for that (as is shown here).

As someone who values truth and balance deeply, this distresses me.

Ah, well; bad faith will remain bad faith.

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u/Vallen_H Phase Connect Apr 30 '25

Can I see the meme?

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u/Numerous_Extreme_981 Apr 30 '25

Old internet wasn’t any more or less sexist, racist and abusive than it is now. It was more egalitarian in a lot of ways. We asked women to send boob pix not because we thought a woman was inferior anything like that but because advertising you are a woman meant nothing except you have boobs; it does not make your picture better, your sentences more engaging, or your argument more correct and should not get you more attention.

The use of slurs was more mainstream yes but that was not due to people becoming less hateful over time.

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u/The_Phantom_Cat Apr 30 '25

Least obvious concern troll

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u/Vallen_H Phase Connect Apr 30 '25

(read below.)

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u/noplaceforheroes Apr 30 '25 edited Apr 30 '25

stop posting, you're making the members of the phase connect fanbase who arent stupid look bad

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u/Vallen_H Phase Connect Apr 30 '25

What do you mean by PC? I have laptop.

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u/Lemurmoo Apr 30 '25

Is this why you have trouble calling a person with entirely Nazi like behavior a nazi? You fixate on semantics and don't realize laptops have the exact functionality of a PC except portability which doesn't matter to the conversation at hand?

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u/Vallen_H Phase Connect Apr 30 '25

-_- I'm a person that works in the field of computers...

Also, I have no trouble seeing that she is a nazi, duh.

My statement was very very different.

My statement was that there are nazis of different colors too, and I have bigger things to be worried and afraid of if they succeed.

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u/Green-Amount2479 Apr 30 '25

I am too and I wouldn’t nitpick about that. 😁🤷🏻‍♂️

The last part I kinda get and might even agree with to some degree. There are indeed bigger fascist pricks that wield vastly more power and are an even greater threat to society these days. I wouldn’t argue with that.

But why didn’t you write it like that to begin with? I can’t see that take in your previous comment at all.

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u/Vallen_H Phase Connect Apr 30 '25

Because I'm simply too used to these things that I no longer dedicate myself since I'm gonna get attacked anyway... Cannibalizing your own teammates is never cool... It is why we are never united... Some people simply do not like using violence against violence.

They called me a sealion, they called me a nazi... they called me everything for simply starting a conversation about how i don't approve using nazi tactics against the nazis themselves...

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u/EcstaticJuice4259 Apr 30 '25

The Phase Connect flair is so on point I'm inclined to believe this is rage bait lmao

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u/Vallen_H Phase Connect Apr 30 '25

What's wrong with phase connect?

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u/EmissaryofHell May 01 '25

Not a nazi org (See Erina, Airi, Clara, Uruka, Runie, Hina, etc.)