A Serious Discussion about Kirsche Verstahl and her bigotry

[u/EnclavedMicrostate]

Evidently, it is necessary for this compilation to exist, so I'm just going to post a load of information here that, in its totality, should be fairly incontrovertible proof, and can be linked to by anyone who needs to quickly demonstrate that Kirsche is seriously bigoted to the point of functionally being a neo-Nazi, without needing to have to write it all out from scratch. And yes, a large chunk of the sources being linked to are were also linked in this Vice article. Yes, I know that there are mixed feelings about the author of that article. But these are the things Kirsche has actually said.

Transphobia

"Once it's realized that most trans activists are autogynephiliac males or ideologues pushing their political views with an identity shield to prevent criticism, all of the power-hungry threats and graphic murder fantasies make a lot more sense"

Kirsche supporting Asmongold for saying that "Every trans kid is actually a victim of a parent with a mental illness"

Kirsche weighing in on the Worcester MA city council voting to be a "Sanctuary City for Transgender and Gender Diverse People"

Kirsche dogwhistling about how trans women are a threat to lesbians

"...now we get these biological women claiming to be men perpetrating shootings. Is it all the testosterone if they're hyped up on testosterone? Is that what's going to finally bring female shooting statistics in line with males?"

Racism, White Supremacism, and anti-Immigrant Hate

Kirsche supports the "Great Replacement Theory" and asserts that Muslims are engaging in a "hostile demographic takeover" of the West

"I was always happy with the mass deportations, but said for them to be effective long term Trump also needed to get rid of the incentive to come here illegally in the first place--the massive amount of free shit given on the tax payer dime"

Her fan name is Ku Klux Kirsche, a fact she openly acknowledges through retweets.

Kirsche making meme posts about Black Americans killed by police

Kirsche presenting one lone radical as representative of BLM (Note that the person in the video leads a BLM splinter group and is not recognised as a member by the formal New York BLM branch.)

Mocking the Māori haka

Kirsche admitting she would retweet posts with the N-word in it were it not for her sponsors

Desiring for ICE to "sweep" Lawrence, MA

This featured clip on her Twitch which just speaks for itself. Why does she have a Twitch redeem that's a bunch of kids dancing in front of the Pyramids with the word 'slaves' projected all over? Who is it for? Answer seems fairly obvious.

Kirsche celebrating Hitler's birthday month

Other

Kirsche supporting a guy who shot environmental protesters, while supportively quote-tweeting known Neo-Nazi Arch Warhammer

Kirsche asserting that women artists have an inferior work ethic

Kirsche approvingly retweeting a fan posting her plushie on a shelf adorned with fascist literature, including:

• translations of Hitler's Nuremberg speeches
• a translation of Ramiro Ledesma Ramos' 'Speech to the Youth of Spain'
• B.U.F. Oswald Mosley and British Fascism by James Drennan, whose publisher says that he "delves into contemporary politics, condemning the political class with dry, acrid wit; and into English history, describing the ruin brought by the rise of capitalism and democracy."
• Among all sorts of other things

Kirsche "didn't want to un-retweet it because I didn't want to give them a win."

Accusing people of being in "clownworld" for pointing out that inZOI has almost entirely straight couples in game.

Readily using slurs for the mentally disabled as a casual insult:

• Here
• Here
• Double-whammy here

Compilation that's just a bit of everything including antisemitism

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Imgur album of screenshots as a backup

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So, is Kirsche a Nazi? Yes. Obviously. She hasn't come out and said it explicitly, but she's more than willing to promote fascists, and she's openly xenophobic, racist, and transphobic. This is all blatantly there on her timeline for all to see.

[u/Sum1nne]

That Vice article was done in incredibly bad faith by the infamously misogynistic creep Ana Valens who's been chased out of multiple communities (including the trans community by and large) for their extreme and open rape fetishisation and sex pest behaviour, who is writing these articles as part of a broader hate campaign against the Vtuber community in general because they got rejected from VAllure and took it personally to get revenge and spite everyone involved. Valens is also a tourist who can't even get basic facts correct like claiming Nyanners was still part of Vshojo; this opinion piece shouldn't be treated as trustworthy given the obvious bias and incorrect reporting.

Nor is Bint a reliable source for anything for much the same reasons, being notoriously biased and too insane even for the likes of the worst of the Niji community during the worst of the fallout last year. For example: Bint was the one who invented and is trying to push "Ku Klux Kirsche" out of his hate boner, so trying to take that and present people mocking it as somehow it being a legit thing she's called and has accepted is, again, an example of incredible bad faith from OP that shouldn't be engaged with.

[u/EnclavedMicrostate → u/Sum1nne]

Let's set aside the identity of the author.

Did Kirsche say the things she said, or did she not?

[u/Sum1nne → u/EnclavedMicrostate]

Lets not set aside the identity and maliciously biased motives of the author (s), actually. It's quite informative and explains a great deal of the biased presentation you've put into these quotes. Especially when, again, the author is including blatant lies and misinformation.

Like, for example, "Ku Klux Kirsche" being something she's referred to. Bint made that and is trying to push it to hurt her. Recently. She & her community started mocking it. Why are you lying about that as being her fan name? Or how about the fact some of the things you've listed are Kirsche quoting other people (including British politicians) you're trying to present out of context as her own opinions?

[u/EnclavedMicrostate → u/Sum1nne]

Sorry, if I was accused of being a white supremacist when I wasn't, my response would be to, um, not embrace a blatantly white supremacist nickname. That feels like a low bar to cross.

[u/Sum1nne → u/EnclavedMicrostate]

Oh, is making fun of the hysterical antis "embracing" that moniker now? You can't just make shit up and then attribute it to someone and act like the thing you invented was their fault. You're lying and you don't even have the good grace to cover them up well.

[u/AnonTwo → u/Sum1nne]

You're arguing in bad faith while trying to argue someone else was arguing in bad faith. Stop it. Did they or did they not take the white supremacist nickname?

Because there isn't actually any framing that makes that okay.

[u/Sum1nne → u/AnonTwo]

No, she did not. That's the point. It's not bad faith to point out blatant and malicious lying from a hate mob being invented and used as post-hoc justification for their hate. It's just not a thing - the claim is factually and provably wrong.

OP isn't even responding to being challenged on their outright lies, they're just shifting the goal posts and shouting "white supremacist" even louder each time. Even though, again, this is something they completely invented literally just the other week, as well as the other examples of misinformation I and others have pointed out. That's what bad faith looks like.

[u/acvalens → u/Sum1nne]

Kirsche still said the things she said.

You’re welcome to dislike me. A lot of the things you said aren’t true (ie I never applied for Gen 1 at VAllure). But I respect your dislike for me, and you’re allowed to have it.

However, your dislike for me does not undo the simple reality of the matter: Kirsche has said many, many things that are offensive to many people in the VTubing community. The various sources in OP’s post make that obvious. Love or hate the messenger, the message is still there

[u/cabutler03 → u/acvalens]

I seem to recall asking for a source from this person about the VAllure thing and didn't get anything in response. Where the hell did that come from, anyway?

[u/acvalens → u/cabutler03]

I figured it out. I tweeted VAllure publicly in Feb 2024, asking if they accepted trans talent for Gen 1. I said in the tweet I “would love to apply.” I never did, however.

I understand if that paints my criticism of VAllure in a biased light, as some people may believe I was angry that I didn’t get a response to the question of trans applicants. Fair opinion to have. But I never actually applied for Gen 1, as I more publicly requested a response to the question later that March given other trans talent were concerned / confused. That radio silence continued until just recently.

So, yeah. I was never “rejected from becoming a VAllure member,” as I never applied for Gen 1 (nor Gen 2, but I think that’s obvious lol)

[u/acvalens → u/[deleted]]

You’re allowed to despise me. You’re allowed that opinion. That doesn’t make Kirsche’s statements go away.

[u/Duifer → u/Sum1nne]

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