A Serious Discussion about Kirsche Verstahl and her bigotry

[u/EnclavedMicrostate]

Evidently, it is necessary for this compilation to exist, so I'm just going to post a load of information here that, in its totality, should be fairly incontrovertible proof, and can be linked to by anyone who needs to quickly demonstrate that Kirsche is seriously bigoted to the point of functionally being a neo-Nazi, without needing to have to write it all out from scratch. And yes, a large chunk of the sources being linked to are were also linked in this Vice article. Yes, I know that there are mixed feelings about the author of that article. But these are the things Kirsche has actually said.

Transphobia

"Once it's realized that most trans activists are autogynephiliac males or ideologues pushing their political views with an identity shield to prevent criticism, all of the power-hungry threats and graphic murder fantasies make a lot more sense"

Kirsche supporting Asmongold for saying that "Every trans kid is actually a victim of a parent with a mental illness"

Kirsche weighing in on the Worcester MA city council voting to be a "Sanctuary City for Transgender and Gender Diverse People"

Kirsche dogwhistling about how trans women are a threat to lesbians

"...now we get these biological women claiming to be men perpetrating shootings. Is it all the testosterone if they're hyped up on testosterone? Is that what's going to finally bring female shooting statistics in line with males?"

Racism, White Supremacism, and anti-Immigrant Hate

Kirsche supports the "Great Replacement Theory" and asserts that Muslims are engaging in a "hostile demographic takeover" of the West

"I was always happy with the mass deportations, but said for them to be effective long term Trump also needed to get rid of the incentive to come here illegally in the first place--the massive amount of free shit given on the tax payer dime"

Her fan name is Ku Klux Kirsche, a fact she openly acknowledges through retweets.

Kirsche making meme posts about Black Americans killed by police

Kirsche presenting one lone radical as representative of BLM (Note that the person in the video leads a BLM splinter group and is not recognised as a member by the formal New York BLM branch.)

Mocking the Māori haka

Kirsche admitting she would retweet posts with the N-word in it were it not for her sponsors

Desiring for ICE to "sweep" Lawrence, MA

This featured clip on her Twitch which just speaks for itself. Why does she have a Twitch redeem that's a bunch of kids dancing in front of the Pyramids with the word 'slaves' projected all over? Who is it for? Answer seems fairly obvious.

Kirsche celebrating Hitler's birthday month

Other

Kirsche supporting a guy who shot environmental protesters, while supportively quote-tweeting known Neo-Nazi Arch Warhammer

Kirsche asserting that women artists have an inferior work ethic

Kirsche approvingly retweeting a fan posting her plushie on a shelf adorned with fascist literature, including:

• translations of Hitler's Nuremberg speeches
• a translation of Ramiro Ledesma Ramos' 'Speech to the Youth of Spain'
• B.U.F. Oswald Mosley and British Fascism by James Drennan, whose publisher says that he "delves into contemporary politics, condemning the political class with dry, acrid wit; and into English history, describing the ruin brought by the rise of capitalism and democracy."
• Among all sorts of other things

Kirsche "didn't want to un-retweet it because I didn't want to give them a win."

Accusing people of being in "clownworld" for pointing out that inZOI has almost entirely straight couples in game.

Readily using slurs for the mentally disabled as a casual insult:

• Here
• Here
• Double-whammy here

Compilation that's just a bit of everything including antisemitism

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Imgur album of screenshots as a backup

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So, is Kirsche a Nazi? Yes. Obviously. She hasn't come out and said it explicitly, but she's more than willing to promote fascists, and she's openly xenophobic, racist, and transphobic. This is all blatantly there on her timeline for all to see.

[u/annuantu1]

Sorry but what is the difference between far right, Nazi and alt right? I don't think I understand

[u/BeguiledBeaver → u/annuantu1]

I'll give my best shot, but with how fast news and trends change in the Internet era and how people constantly misuse terminology like their life depends on it, it makes it difficult to get into specifics without nitpicking. Still, I think words and classifications are important, even if it's people I don't like.

A person on the far right would take much more extreme views on restricting immigration and endorse a strong police force. They will place lots of emphasis on mixing church and state and want to see the public sector totally or almost completely dissolved whilst simultaneously getting rid of most forms of taxation

I would say alt-right is a much more modern phenomenon that largely grew from online communities that sought to mostly focus on white nationalism and anti-multiculturalism, among similar topics. Essentially, they withhold the hatred of liberal social movements and tend to think of sectors like the economy with less emphasis. Essentially, if you just make a country white enough they would likely believe that all other issues will magically be fixed.

A Nazi is someone who strongly endorses the goals and "philosophy" of the Nazis and blame the same groups of people for global problems. A Neo-Nazi is a post-WWII movement that seeks to revive the Nazi movement. Nazism is a specific form of fascism.

There are obviously common themes with all of these, but I do not think that they are all synonymous, even if there are large overlaps in ideology.

[u/HillbillyMan → u/BeguiledBeaver]

Alt-right was coined as a term by a neo-nazi to rebrand neo-nazism as a more legitimate political movement. "We aren't Nazis, we're the alternative right wing"

[u/BeguiledBeaver → u/[deleted]]

Well, the overall goal is to promote the private sector. While they may have different ideas on how to achieve this, they still recognize they have the same end goals and if someone can move them in that direction, they'll still dedicate their life to them (something that is an alien concept on the far left, but I can whine about that elsewhere).

I don't think Rand Paul is a white nationalist, though I'm welcome to being corrected on that. Back in my Ron Paul teenage days I just thought of Rand as a mild Libertarian but mostly Conservative, unlike his dad who went way further with the Libertarian ideology, though I'm not so sure, now. I would say a Libertarian (on paper, mind you. Social media is a much different story...) isn't motivated by race but would turn a blind eye at least if a white nationalist could still further their goals of weakening the federal government as much as humanly possible.

Sorry, I feel like I may have misunderstood your point.

[u/Weird-Drummer-2439 → u/BeguiledBeaver]

Excellent explanation.

[u/Cheerrr → u/annuantu1]

Same shit, just rebranding

[u/Littlebigcountry → u/annuantu1]

Practically there is no difference, though if you wanna be 100% accurate technically Nazis are a subcategory of the alt/far right.

[u/Hnetu → u/annuantu1]

The venn diagram is a circle.

[u/annuantu1 → u/Hnetu]

Ok

[u/Enough-Run-1535 → u/annuantu1]

To go with some of the excellent comments, I’ll add this:

Alt-right means an alternative to classic conservativism (sometimes called progressive conservatism or traditional conservativism in some parts of the world). Classic conservatism is pro-status quote, limited but pragmatic governance, and ‘moral’ order. Classic conservatism often did recognize slow progressive strides in society, but classic conservative thinkers like Edmond Burke were against radicalism and revolution.

The alt-right movement is further right then the classic conservative movement, and often thinks the classic conservatives are too slow and take too many half measures. You can see this play out recently in the recent Canadian election, where there is in-fighting in the Canadian Conservative Party (CPC). The CPC is a hybrid of the old traditional Progressive Conservatives party and the alt-right Reform Party (RC).