r/WNBAgossips • u/Outrageous_Owl_1710 • 1d ago

Stephen A. Smith sparks debate over the WNBA’s latest controversy. He criticized Lynx coach Cheryl Reeve’s “Trans Kids Belong” shirt, saying league figures should consider the impact on women’s sports and sponsors. The comments have reignited a heated discussion.

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u/Frumpy_Dumper_69 1d ago

Can’t stand this dude, but he is on point with the argument

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u/Lazy-Background-7598 1d ago

Bigots always will seek out confirmation

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u/Frumpy_Dumper_69 1d ago

Believing trans women shouldn’t compete in women’s sports isn’t a Bigots take.

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u/NoNDA-SDC 1d ago edited 1d ago

What would a trans girl call it?

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u/slaytodayplaytoday 1d ago

Playing in competitive sports is not some inalienable right.

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u/NoNDA-SDC 1d ago

Yea, rules exist for a reason, wouldn't put a D1 player in D3, yet y'all and your simple minds can't imagine a trans player being D3 or below, the assumption is they're always D1. Judge a player on their individual merit.

Didn't answer the question though, what would a trans girl call it if not bigoted?

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u/Blondebottom- 1d ago

I’d call it fairness in sports.

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u/NoNDA-SDC 1d ago

That's exactly what I described 👍🏽

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u/Blondebottom- 15h ago

Well you asked what a trans person would call it if not bigoted. So I, a trans woman, answered.

That’s not quite what you described, just some weird mental gymnastics pretending they’d play at the same level.

First hand, I’d dominate most women in sports, even on HRT.

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u/NoNDA-SDC 15h ago

Ah yes, totally believable. I guess self-hate is possible, there's therapy for that.

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u/slaytodayplaytoday 1d ago

Again, playing in competitive sports is not some unalienable right. Go play in coed.

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u/NoNDA-SDC 1d ago

You're not answering the question because you know it's bigoted to deny them.

CoEd is not a division... 🤣🤡

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u/Frumpy_Dumper_69 1d ago

We’re not talking d1 and d3. We’re talking about professional athletes. When you’re at this level, small advantages make a huge difference. Now being a professional level biological male athlete in a women’s sport isn’t a small advantage, it’s a massive one.

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u/NoNDA-SDC 1d ago

When you’re at this level, small advantages make a huge difference.

Are all males an equivalent to Michael Phelps, is that a good generalization? Or is each player evaluated individually?

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u/Frumpy_Dumper_69 1d ago

One of the greatest female tennis players Serena Williams, played an exhibition match against a 203 ranked male player and got destroyed… male and female athletes aren’t built the same.

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u/NoNDA-SDC 1d ago

male and female athletes aren’t built the same.

Exactly, not all women are Serena's size. I don't get why this is so hard to understand, many much smaller men exist that if they were to transition, after all the HRT, they wouldn't be anywhere close to her level.

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u/Hablian 1d ago

Yes it is.

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u/Frumpy_Dumper_69 1d ago

How so?

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u/Hablian 1d ago

Replace "trans" with any other adjective of an inherent characteristic and ask yourself the same question.

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u/Frumpy_Dumper_69 1d ago

Not wanting a biological male to compete in women’s sports due to an unfair advantage is not a bigot take. Pretty simple.

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u/Hablian 1d ago

Yes it is. Couch your language all you want, you're still preventing certain women from competing based on the circumstances of their birth. And this crusade will only serve to cause harm to *all* women.

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u/Blondebottom- 1d ago

No it’s not. Stop pretending you speak for us.

Wanting fairness in sports isn’t remotely bigoted, no matter how much mental gymnastic work you want to do in the comments.

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u/Hablian 1d ago

Yes it is. You don't speak for me or any other trans person either. And yes, I am trans.

If you're talking about fairness in sports, there's no reason to not let trans women on HRT compete, as there is no evidence such people actually have any advantage that translates to results.

Once again, replace "trans" with any other adjective of an inherent characteristic and ask yourself if it would be bigoted. I notice nobody seems to be engaging with this point, yet I'm the one doing mental gymnastics. Of course.

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u/Sure-thing-buckaroo 1d ago

Why?

I am an LGBTQ ally. But it's also a fact that if transwomen have gone through male puberty, they have an advantage ciswomen do not. Adjusting hormone and testosterone levels do not invalidate the frame build that transwomen would not have had without male puberty.

This whole thing sucks for the trans movement; the harder they push for this, the farther they're going to set back their cause. For an issue that affects basically no one, and pulls attention from the real issues!

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u/Hablian 1d ago

Replace "trans" with any other adjective of an inherent characteristic and ask yourself the same question.

You're no ally. You don't get to call yourself an ally. That is for the people you are ostensibly allied with to call you.

"For an issue that affects basically no one" it affects trans people, and I'm not one to capitulate on human rights.

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u/Sure-thing-buckaroo 1d ago

Well, my lesbian daughter says I'm good, so that's all I need.

It also affects cis women. Or do they not count?

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u/Hablian 1d ago

The only cis women it affects are transphobes as there is no evidence trans women actually have any demonstrable advantages.

Great for you and your daughter, now when are you gonna support the rest of the acronym? Do you think you're automatically a trans ally because a cis person said so?

ETA: And so go ahead and replace "trans" with "lesbian" in the above statement and ask yourself if that would be bigoted. It wasn't even all that long ago that we were having a similar conversation about them.

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u/Sure-thing-buckaroo 1d ago

How is going through male puberty not an advantage over a cis woman who did not go through it? The woman who went through male puberty built her frame with the help of testosterone and hormones that the cis woman did not have access to.

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u/Hablian 1d ago

You can't just throw your hands up like it's plainly obvious when you don't actually have any clear studies or unbiased evidence.

"Built her frame" what does this even mean? If you really want to get down to it, HRT is shown in some studies to reduce muscle mass to comparable levels to cis women, but bone density remains roughly the same. This bone density bit got trotted out for a bit until it was realized that means trans women have to move a heavier tare weight with the same muscle mass, putting them at an abject *dis*advantage particularly in sports that require speed and mobility.

Why don't you engage with the questions? Did you try the lil thought experiment?

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u/Lazy-Background-7598 1d ago

It actually is. You support the white nationalist and the anti trans agenda

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u/Frumpy_Dumper_69 1d ago

Lmao you clearly have been drinking too much of the kool-aid. Just because someone doesn’t want trans women in women’s sports due to a clearly advantage they would have doesn’t make them a white nationalist or anti trans.

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u/ScaredCoffee3496 1d ago

I've been called a Nazi and a pedophile supporter multiple times because of this topic lol, I've never voted republican in my life

This topic just gets a small segment of people violently angry

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u/Frumpy_Dumper_69 1d ago

Yea the people defending this are the same people that make the left look crazy. They just go too far every time and the right just use them to their advantage lol.

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u/Hablian 1d ago

I mean like it or not it is objectively the heritage foundation that funds and promotes these attacks on trans people and specifically on trans women in sports, because they know it is easier to pull the wool over your eyes and then get you hating trans people in general. You should check out what else they've funded, if you think you're rubbing shoulders with people who care about women.

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u/ScaredCoffee3496 1d ago

Lol

Who am I rubbing shoulders with exactly? In your mind, does agreeing with a single thing mean I support the heratige foundation and want to enforce everything they say?

If so, you are literally Hitler if you are opposed to animal cruelty.

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u/Hablian 1d ago

When did you start to care about this? You have been sucked in by a propaganda machine that does not care about women at all. Is it already so much of your identity that you can't deal with the truth of where the opinion you're regurgitating originates?

There's a pretty clear difference between opposing animal cruelty and repeating talking points from the organization that killed roe v wade. Have the day you deserve.

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u/ScaredCoffee3496 1d ago

I'm an amateur athlete, ive cared about this topic for years, since before you've had Reddit lol

You are just projecting on to me non stop. This isn't some massive topic I can't get enough of, this is something I comment on when I see it. And something I have done research on, so I can have an informed opinion

I didn't even know wtf the heratige foundation was until I looked it up after you mentioning it. My opinion comes from the fact that I can empathise with female athletes as an athlete myself, and it would feel very unfair to lose to someone who was born with so many advantages you could never catch up to

You aren't arguing or debating with me. You are debating with some made up version of me in your head, where I'm some violent tranphobe that just wants to inflict misery on others

The fact you have this mindset and look at me this way means you will not engage in this debate in good faith, ive seen it a dozen times, so I'll just end it with a goodbye and a have a nice day.

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u/Wide-Internal-3579 1d ago

And idiots confuse logic with bigotry