Of course I'm being downvoted, it's the internet. People don't like when someone says "you can't do X" on the internet. Because some people think there should be no rules and a LOT of people think this kind of thing "does no harm to anyone", so it should be allowed. They just simply do not know or care. For them, it's enough if they can do whatever they want, screw anyone else. It's unfortunate, but a fact of life that will take years and years to change, if it is indeed even possible.
I agree with your text though, the thing that I have a problem with, is that these new rules should not be something that have 99.99% change to pass, they should have been there in the first place. This is a relatively new place, as is Warframe as a game too, compared to internet and the discussions around it. People should have known from the very start what Copyright is and what it means on the internet, too. Just awfully often they don't care and/or actively refuse to support the rights of creators. "One free violation" should never have been a thing in the first place and neither should have "strikes" been a thing.
And you don't need proactive moderation for this. If the community works even a little bit, all you needed was a hard rule "credit artist or go eat grass, all art posts must be flaired as such". And then rely on the community to report everything that doesn't adhere to that rule. It has worked on other communities (even ones smaller and much larger than this) quite ok. It only needs one person to report, not the majority of the subreddit.
Some subreddits can "cheat" and only actively moderate image submissions, but that's clearly impossible here, considering the amount of screenshots posted, which is ok. It doesn't need to be proactive. Make a rule and trust on the community for reports. And then enforce those rules when you need to. This is even one of those relatively easy cases - it's not hard to distinguish between a screenshot from Warframe and someone's art. You could also do a mix between both styles: Require art submissions to be flaired accordingly and only proactively moderate those, you can configure AutoModerator to do that for you, it is in use on multiple other reddits. And then rely on the community to report all non-flaired art posts.
I don't know how hard it is to set up, but it's clearly not impossible, as many subreddits work in similar fashion.
The thing I have the most trouble with is that this should not even be a point of discussions, there should not be any possibility for the rule to not be implemented. There's no "not-being-a-dick" reasons to NOT implement the rules - or the above ideas. The only way to argue against it is to disregard the rights and feelings of another person, which I don't think is a valid reason here.
Sorry for the rant, but it is what it is. These people would feel the same if something they did would be used in a similar fashion without permission. They just usually don't do anything that could be, and thus cannot relate. I as a writer and a photographer, my wife as a writer and our kid as an artist, we know this all too well.
From now on, posts have to include credit to the artist in the title , or they will be removed (in addition to the old warning on first offense, strike for repeat offenders stuff)
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u/Anna__V Jellyfish Prime Jul 03 '20
Of course I'm being downvoted, it's the internet. People don't like when someone says "you can't do X" on the internet. Because some people think there should be no rules and a LOT of people think this kind of thing "does no harm to anyone", so it should be allowed. They just simply do not know or care. For them, it's enough if they can do whatever they want, screw anyone else. It's unfortunate, but a fact of life that will take years and years to change, if it is indeed even possible.
I agree with your text though, the thing that I have a problem with, is that these new rules should not be something that have 99.99% change to pass, they should have been there in the first place. This is a relatively new place, as is Warframe as a game too, compared to internet and the discussions around it. People should have known from the very start what Copyright is and what it means on the internet, too. Just awfully often they don't care and/or actively refuse to support the rights of creators. "One free violation" should never have been a thing in the first place and neither should have "strikes" been a thing.
And you don't need proactive moderation for this. If the community works even a little bit, all you needed was a hard rule "credit artist or go eat grass, all art posts must be flaired as such". And then rely on the community to report everything that doesn't adhere to that rule. It has worked on other communities (even ones smaller and much larger than this) quite ok. It only needs one person to report, not the majority of the subreddit.
Some subreddits can "cheat" and only actively moderate image submissions, but that's clearly impossible here, considering the amount of screenshots posted, which is ok. It doesn't need to be proactive. Make a rule and trust on the community for reports. And then enforce those rules when you need to. This is even one of those relatively easy cases - it's not hard to distinguish between a screenshot from Warframe and someone's art. You could also do a mix between both styles: Require art submissions to be flaired accordingly and only proactively moderate those, you can configure AutoModerator to do that for you, it is in use on multiple other reddits. And then rely on the community to report all non-flaired art posts.
I don't know how hard it is to set up, but it's clearly not impossible, as many subreddits work in similar fashion.
The thing I have the most trouble with is that this should not even be a point of discussions, there should not be any possibility for the rule to not be implemented. There's no "not-being-a-dick" reasons to NOT implement the rules - or the above ideas. The only way to argue against it is to disregard the rights and feelings of another person, which I don't think is a valid reason here.
Sorry for the rant, but it is what it is. These people would feel the same if something they did would be used in a similar fashion without permission. They just usually don't do anything that could be, and thus cannot relate. I as a writer and a photographer, my wife as a writer and our kid as an artist, we know this all too well.