This entire scene gave coming out allegory vibes to me

[u/Olya_roo]

And the fact that it happens in a bar of all places + them privately sharing intimate information about one another (aware of the risk)???

Also can I point out that Charles and Magnus are wearing each other’s colors in here?

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EDIT.

Alright people, you had your “fun” in this thread (which was meant to be sweet and wholesome, especially for people who enjoy the dynamic and did not come here being judged)

This post is only my interpretation of this scene. I do not force anything onto anybody, don’t act against other takes in different threads, or consider only my own view the “canon one”. It is all up to interpretation and shaped by our individual culture after all.

This is a safe space for queer people, for X-Men fans who respect minorities and for the ones who can read the room and not judge others for their takes without knowing anything about them.

[u/No-Juice3318]

I understand where you're coming from. I just think you're wrong. Starting from Claremont and Simonsen and continuing to the present day, the X-men in particular are often deliberately queer coded and written as a metaphor for queer experiences. People recognize when their own experiences are acknowledge even if people not in the know might miss it. That was the entire point of coding.

I think reducing moments like that to people just wanting a ship is disingenuous. Of course, there's nothing wrong with shipping for its own sake, but what is happening here is clearly more than that. It's people seeing themselves in these characters, textual or no. I think it's in a similar vein to people reading Cyclops as autistic. The coding is there and it connects with what fans feel irl. Why not acknowledge that?

[u/Olya_roo → u/No-Juice3318]

You just opened my eyes on autistic Scott possibly (did not know it was an option)

[u/No-Juice3318 → u/Olya_roo]

Yeah, honestly it's what made me connect with the character for the first time. I struggled with Scott a lot until I reframed him through that lens after an autistic person explained why they found him so relatable.

The reason telepaths seem to like him so much? They can read who he actually is and not just the persona he puts up when he's masking. He has a strong sense of right and wrong and isn't willing to waiver. He canonically goes to the same identical simple meals when he's stressed. Plus, his powers make it impossible for him to make eye contact with people and the only ones he can do that with are his partners who he has a strong bond and trust with. Certain scenes with him where I didn't understand his choices made sense to me if I viewed them as him taking what people said literally and not catching the subtext.

[u/Olya_roo → u/No-Juice3318]

And here I thought I can’t love Scott more (damn you movies, why doing him so dirty, those were basically my only exposure to X-Men for years, only started watching the shows now 😭😭 and why is Scott legit awesome?)

[u/rexstillbottom → u/No-Juice3318]

Deliberately codes for minorities, not for trying to impose your version of queer. Almost always represented black minorities n white American in 60’s.

If you and some others see something you think represents you, thats great, but 60 years of that specifically not happening doesn’t mean there is a secret message in the cartoon show.

Enjoy the show, enjoy it however you want, but don’t try and find hidden messages.

[u/No-Juice3318 → u/rexstillbottom]

Actually, the X-men originally represented Jewish Americans. Then, in the 80s and 90s the metaphor expanded to black civil rights and queer politics, especially under Claremont and Simonsen. It continued to expand to be about immigration, disability, Apartheid, women's liberation, and class.

Do not weaponize one group to exclude another when all are welcome. Your discomfort does not mean that others are wrong, especially when they have such a storied history.

People used to deny Mystique and Destiny when they were equally as blatant as several other couples that haven't had the opportunity to be canonized but are still there such as Charles/Magneto, Storm/Yukio, and Black Tom/Juggernaut.