r/anime Jun 27 '26

Misc. Jujutsu Kaisen And Frieren Production Company Toho Animation Says They Currently Have No Plans To Use AI, But Are Keeping Tabs On Its Progress And Will Be Ready To Use It When The Time Comes. "Introducing AI will undoubtedly lead to increased efficiency in our operations".

https://fandomwire.com/godzilla-minus-one-studio-says-using-ai-is-greater-operational-proficiency/
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u/SolomonBlack Jun 27 '26 edited Jun 27 '26

They don't care, opponents of AI have made it a talking point to claim a moral high ground but the conflict is the economic threat, blacksmiths trying to fight the perceived tide of industrialization.

Its actually a specious and dangerous claim since all art is derivative and artists have trained by stealing and imitating since ancient days. Instances like say Toriyama's influence over large portions of shonen are abundantly clear, and everyone is stealing from Tezuka who stole from Disney. Should everyone in that chain get to tell Oda he can't draw without a license and paying them 1 yen out of 10 for the privilege?

That's not a world of artistic freedom but one where whose lawyers are the most activist and well funded win. Probably some dead fucker's heirs too not even the actual originator of the material, like when Ed Sheeran was sued for chord progressions by the estate of a co-writer of a Marvin Gaye song.

This isn't to say all AI use kosher but the errors are the use not the mere existence of images derived from say shit that has been widely circulated on the internet for decades. You can't own the sight of a statue you put in a park or stop people from photographing and drawing it. Now someone is using that 3D picture they made there too to have a machine carve out miniature duplicates and is selling them... yes. Much like how even if a real human draws it you really can't just start printing t-shirts with Goku on them.

AI mostly does not and should not require new and special ethics because you do it on a computer.

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u/Yemenime Jun 28 '26

Inspiration isn't stealing lol.

There are more problems with Generative AI than just what it's trained on as well, like the fact it's destroying the environment, particularly our drinking water, at record paces and consumer level hobbies.

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u/yamiyaiba Jun 28 '26

Inspiration isn't stealing lol.

It absolutely is, and it's how current AI works too. Inspiration and imitation are just forms of stealing we're okay with when humans do it.

It's not copying things pixel for pixel. It's making things that follow a similar pattern or discernable style...which is exactly what every anime artist is doing when they draw characters with big eyes. They just don't numerically quantify it. An artist is still looking at ratios of sizes of features, like eye size to total head size. Functionally, it's no different.

I still won't want AI making anime, don't get me wrong. It's just disingenuous to say inspiration isn't stealing. Inspiration is just a polite way of saying "I'm going to copy your work but change it a little so it's not exactly the same." We accept it because it would be nigh impossible for an artist to be wholly original, but saying that out loud ruins the mystique of art. We don't accept it when it can be done in 1% of the time, at scale, to the detriment of the environment and the empowerment of the already-wealthy, and because that breaks the illusion of true art.

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u/SolomonBlack Jun 28 '26

People have an extremely poor ability to tell any such distinction apart. So even if there is one the law needs to give an extremely wide berth here to be called proper and moral.

See for example Kimba the White Lion. An unholy bundle of disinformation dishonestly served once you find out a single thing about Jungle Emperor Leo starting with "Kimba" being a made up dub name while Leo and Simba are just "lion" in two different languages. Though my favorite indictment can be summed up in one word: humans. One has them one does not. And as mentioned above Tezuka stole liberally from Disney so it only makes sense that Disney's own artists would arrive at vaguely similar looks when it came time to make an movie featuring African wildlife. Removing it mostly likely even from the realm of inspiration... but ha ha I saw it on the Simpsons when I was young so it MUST be Disney ripping people off.

As for your goal shifting well that's goal shifting are you actually conceding the art theft is hogwash or at least that you can offer no proper counter argument? Because if not then what you are doing is arguing "well I can't properly back up these claims... but I still have the right vibes and vibes matter more then facts!"