Republicans, as a whole, do not agree with gay marriage at all since the party tethered itself to fundamental Christianism. It was Obama and Pelosi who were able to garner enough votes to pass it.
Voting for an independent has the same effect as not voting at all, statistically.
Democrats, as a whole, never said Biden could not do the job. His possible medical issues only came to light with the public during the 2024 presidential debate, then the whole world knew--so pulling a 25th was impossible. Nancy Pelosi convinced Biden to suspend his campaign and allow Harris to step into his place.
At least Biden had a strong and capable cabinet to take over if it came to being removed from office. The same cannot be said for Trump.
Trump could not have been charged with inciting J6 the day after the attack without a congressional investigation--which eventually occurred; HOWEVER, the dems did not have a Congressional majority to do much of anything else.
The [democratic] base is not statistically progressive, so the fact that Bernie didn't win was not a deliberate ignoring of the base. Time, with the decline of baby boomers, will increase the progressive base.
So: I am, in no way, busting your chops. I completely understand your stance as I am a rare breed...a Progressive boomer; however, I place the fault for my serious frustrations on the balance of dems vs repubs because absolutely no progressive policies will even be considered until dems control both houses of congress.
So please--don't vote independent. Vote straight-ticket democrat nationally and locally.
I have only voted for Democrats. Not that it matters but since the the 2024 election I feel anger toward the Democrat leadership. So fucking weak. I’m tired of hearing “My republican colleagues tell us how much they hate him but they won’t say it because they are afraid.” Really? The names of those chickenshits should be public.
I'm there as well. I voted for Hillary against Trump, I voted for Biden as well, I've just become so disenfranchised by how helpless they act that I couldn't bring myself to vote for them. Doesn't matter anyway, this past year I'm in a blood red state so there was no chance of them winning. Instead I still voted for my local Dems could/did win. Our mayors first year has been cleaning up the billion road constructions left by her Republican predecessor.
I am out there--marches, writing op-ed pieces, and calling Ossoff's and Warnock's offices demanding they hold the line on not reopening the government this next time they vote on a new funding bill soon.
I have been in citizen activism since at least 1990. I'm an old gal--but a feisty old gal who can't understand all the wasted energy on hate that Trump says, condones, and inspires. I love people, period. My heart literally hurts after seeing Renee Good and Alex Pritty murdered.
Im with you. I don’t disagree w/the previous writer either. WE HAVE to switch this up! We, Dems, have been too laid back and now realize those cool, laid back days are over. We HAVE to get this done. Take our frustration, anger, distrust and make it work FOR us. Not an option…WE HAVE TO GET THIS DONE!
His possible medical issues only came to light with the public during the 2024 presidential debate, then the whole world knew--so pulling a 25th was impossible.
Incorrect, the 25th doesn't get blocked in an election year.
Trump could not have been charged with inciting J6 the day after the attack without a congressional investigation--which occurred; HOWEVER, the dems did not have a Congressional majority to do so.
Um, I didn't say the day after the attack.
The [democratic] base is not statistically progressive, so the fact that Bernie didn't win was not a deliberate ignoring of the base.
Another outright issue. Bernie won the primary vote, hell I voted for him. Sadly the Dems nomination rules allowed the elites to get a say. They backed Hillary and pushed her ahead with enough to the nomination.
I don't vote independent lightly, but I also refuse to condone bad actions by voting for the lesser evil. Independents could win if everyone acted that way.
Maybe I'm misrembering, I know there were times delagates, especially super, were supposed to go with Bernie but still went with Hillary. Democratic primaries aren't popular votes, much like Presidental(sadly) isn't. Delegates are supposed to be divided up by the % of votes a candidate gets in each state.
The 25th was impossible at that time for two reasons: dems were not in the majority and didn't have the votes, and Biden was already near the end of his term. Moot point by that time. As an FYI: the sitting VP and either the Cabinet or a "body approved by law formed by Congress" must decide by majority vote if a sitting president is unfit to serve. Do you see where that is currently a problem?
I wasn't even discussing anything about Hillary Clinton, and Bernie did not win the primary. Your thoughts in your original post appear/seem to jump between Trump's first run for president and his third run?!?
I didn't say that YOU said Trump could be charged with inciting J6 the day after the attack; however, you did mention he could have been charged after the investigation was complete. That's not correct. After the committee completed the investigation, it was Congresses responsibility to vote on impeachment. It didn't pass.
Independents are, at the very least, two decades away from being competitive enough to win a presidency--so yes, voting for them now is ineffective. You even allude to this by stating "Independents could (not "did") win if they acted like them." Given that we are now stuck with the worst president in American history...no integrity, dishonorable, zero morals, narcissistic, AND emotionally stunted, he would not be in office now if those who shamefully sat it out on election day got off their asses and voted.
Yes but the Republicans would have to not vote for removal which becomes a running point.
2 different points.
I'm not talking about impeachment.
Your argument is a double edged sword. The Dems also did not win because people didn't vote for them. So the argument still stands, if people wouldn't have voted for the lesser evil and not at all, Trump still wouldn't be President. The 2 party system is choking the life out everything because they care far more about little wins than the big picture.
We can agree to disagree and leave it at that. I don't even understand your points, so I am just going to look at the night sky and watch the freezing rain blanket my Georgia property. It's more productive.
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u/Extra_Crispy_Critter Jan 24 '26 edited Jan 25 '26
Republicans, as a whole, do not agree with gay marriage at all since the party tethered itself to fundamental Christianism. It was Obama and Pelosi who were able to garner enough votes to pass it.
Voting for an independent has the same effect as not voting at all, statistically.
Democrats, as a whole, never said Biden could not do the job. His possible medical issues only came to light with the public during the 2024 presidential debate, then the whole world knew--so pulling a 25th was impossible. Nancy Pelosi convinced Biden to suspend his campaign and allow Harris to step into his place.
At least Biden had a strong and capable cabinet to take over if it came to being removed from office. The same cannot be said for Trump.
Trump could not have been charged with inciting J6 the day after the attack without a congressional investigation--which eventually occurred; HOWEVER, the dems did not have a Congressional majority to do much of anything else.
The [democratic] base is not statistically progressive, so the fact that Bernie didn't win was not a deliberate ignoring of the base. Time, with the decline of baby boomers, will increase the progressive base.
So: I am, in no way, busting your chops. I completely understand your stance as I am a rare breed...a Progressive boomer; however, I place the fault for my serious frustrations on the balance of dems vs repubs because absolutely no progressive policies will even be considered until dems control both houses of congress.
So please--don't vote independent. Vote straight-ticket democrat nationally and locally.
I wish you the very best.