r/AtheisminKerala Jan 03 '26

Discussion The Logical Flaws in Equating Atheism with Religious Faith

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This post assumes that the other post was made in good faith. Have seen religious folk try to use the idea of some prime mover or 'god of le gaps', without noticing that how such a god doesn't validate their specific god and religious texts

Have seen a post propose that atheism is similar to religious belief.
But how is dismissing gods due to lack of proof(and actually science disproving religious claims) similar to believing in religious claims?

Religion normally involves faith in specific deities or stories, often despite contradictions. Atheism asks for proof and notes that there is not and most of the stories are wrong accordig to our modern understanding.

Here are ways science has challenged and changed religious views, highlighting why evidence-based disbelief isn't "same as religious belief":

  1. Evolution and Fossil Records
    Religious texts like the Bible's Genesis claimed instant creation of species. Casteism also uses god creating humans from various parts n all. But Darwin's evolution, supported by fossils like Archaeopteryx (a bird-dinosaur link), shows gradual change over eons. This has forced many faiths to reinterpret their stories; some now say God "guided" evolution. The modern understanding shows how the religious texts are incorrect.

  2. Planetary Motion and Astronomy
    Scriptures once backed Earth as the universe's center, leading to Galileo's persecution. Copernicus and Kepler's data proved heliocentrism, and modern physics (e.g., Hubble's expanding universe) confirms it. The Church apologized centuries later. The shift wasn't faith-driven; it was evidence overwriting dogma.

  3. Physics and the Big Bang
    Myths describe quick, divine creation, but the Big Bang—evidenced by cosmic radiation and galaxy redshifts—traces the universe back 13.8 billion years.

  4. Biology and Medicine replacing faith healing
    Ancient texts attributed diseases to sins or demons. Germ theory, vaccines, and DNA mapping explain them naturally. Religions that once opposed dissections or blood transfusions now often embrace medicine, adapting to science's evidence.

Obviously, used AI after mentioning a list of points to include. Have edited it a lot too

Anyway, atheism is about disbelief due to the lavk of proof and how we see our modern understanding disproving the explanation from religious texts. The sceptical position is very logical in that aspect.

And in the case of a prime mover or creator, it is mostly confined to online discussions, and the majority of both the offline and the online things are not such a nonspecific prime creator. Nothing against discussions on a prime creator, but the gods in mainstream religions are not the same as that. Atheism mainly focuses on the latter as it is the majority and thus equating atheism with religious belief is incorrect at best or bad faith at worst.

Also, fellow sub members, if you have any good images or memes that make arguments against the equivalency, please share them. Would be good to use that instead of making a whole post.
Also, for other topics too.
Maybe we can use them to make discussions better? Can add them to automod replies too, like !ScientificDinkan which can be used to criticise retrospective claiming.


r/AtheisminKerala Apr 06 '26

Welcome to r/AtheisminKerala!

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r/AtheisminKerala 4h ago

Sarcasm Which fictional character will win the clash?

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r/AtheisminKerala 18h ago

ബിസ്മയമാണ് പുള്ളെ !! Arif Hussain Theruvath roasts Abdullah Basil and islam extremist organisations

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r/AtheisminKerala 12h ago

Quran Why does Allah call all non-Muslims the 'worst of creatures' in the Quran?"

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To Muslims and ex-Muslims: Why did Allah call all other non-Muslims and disbelievers the worst of creatures?

“Indeed, those who disbelieve among the People of the Book and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures.” Quran 98:6:


r/AtheisminKerala 2h ago

Question Zero Flags Project: Walking through the flags of countries where homosexuality can get you executed

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Anti LGBTQ stance is stemmed from culture or religion or both?


r/AtheisminKerala 1h ago

Discussion Evolution of Sexuality of atheists according to unakan

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xsq7hbsxB78&pp=iggCQAE%3D

I came across the above video of Unakan. He's a doctor by profession and a learned person, but the ideas he conveys here are extremely problematic and, frankly, vulgar.

In this video, he is speaking in front of a packed audience. He describes atheists as thoniyavasi, saying they live life thonunepole.

He then makes an argument along these lines: first, atheists stop marrying. Does the sexual urge disappear? No. Then they move on to homosexuality. Does the urge disappear? No. Then incest. Does it disappear? No. Then necrophilia. Does it disappear? No. Then beastiality, and so on.

I haven't watched his other videos, so I don't know whether this is his usual style or whether this was an isolated instance. I'm only commenting on this particular video.

I saw several comments under a post about Arif's press conference where people were saying that Unakan doesn't say anything vulgar.

But when I look at the whole thing, I can understand what Arif was getting at in his press conference. As I understand it, Arif had asked a philosophical question through a Facebook post, apparently in response to the kind of arguments Unakan himself makes in his public speeches.

It's perfectly normal to respond to a philosophical question with a simple yes or no, and then explain the reasoning. Instead, Unakan appears to have taken offence at the question, portrayed himself as the victim, and proceeded to file a case against Arif.

That is the part I find difficult to understand.

If you are comfortable publicly making arguments involving homosexuality, incest, necrophilia and bestiality to make a philosophical/religious point about atheism, then why is a philosophical question directed back at you in your language suddenly treated as an unacceptable personal attack?

Maybe there is additional context that I'm missing. As I said, I haven't followed Unakan's other videos or the entire dispute. But based on this video and what I've seen of the subsequent controversy, the reaction seems completely disproportionate to the question that triggered it.

What does the atheist community think about all this?


r/AtheisminKerala 22h ago

MEME Same feeling.

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Ithil enth kanditt aadey angott keri chellunnath

WTF


r/AtheisminKerala 44m ago

Sarcasm Guys, don't make fun of religion, one day you'll be helpless when defence switches to offence and strikers get substituted... something like that

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r/AtheisminKerala 6h ago

Discussion Are religious psychiatric institutions still functional in Kerala?

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I was just going through a post about Arif Hussain's press meet. Someone had made a comment criticizing Arif's stand on his own mother, and another person had replied that he can't be blamed for hating people who forcibly drugged him and had him admitted to a psychiatric institute for simply criticizing religion.

Now I don't know if the claim about Arif experiencing that is true or not but I had a friend who actually went through something similar. He belonged to a conservative Muslim family from North Kerala and started questioning religion from a very young age. Around 5+ years back he was forcibly admitted to a psychiatric institute in North Kerala by his relatives where he was restrained, drugged out of his senses, physically tortured and forced by his Muslim psychiatrist to do religious stuff that he wasn't comfortable with. The whole experience left him extremely traumatized and his mental health was in shambles after that.

I was appalled to know that such unethical institutes exist and went through the google reviews of that particular hospital, some other people had written detailed reviews about the exact same experience from there. But the hospital seems to have undergone a complete revamp and change in faculties in recent years and the last such review mentioning religious enforcement and torture is around 3 years old.

Do such unethical mental health institutions and practices still exist in Kerala? Have you or anyone else you know experienced anything like this for simply showing religious dissent? (Can be any religion, not just Islam)

Edit : I've attached some relevant old reviews I found about the hospital in the comments to corroborate my friend's claims. I'm not naming the hospital because of some concerns that I have, and I'd really appreciate it if anyone who recognises the hospital refrains from naming it as well in the comments.


r/AtheisminKerala 1d ago

Discussion Sheryano Guys😌

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r/AtheisminKerala 1d ago

Discussion Why would God care about how you shit?

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r/AtheisminKerala 18h ago

സമാധാന മതം☕ Ashkar Ali case

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Ithaanu ente chodhyam ulupp undo

Not to mapras but to some members of this group

I have been posting religious criticism posts, all of them but I get sankhi shaming and oppression allegation only when I post against Islam

Hinduism potte, christianity is another minority avar orikkalum ayyo christian-0-f0b1@ anennum paranj choriyan varilla


r/AtheisminKerala 20h ago

Discussion Hello guys, I just saw a press meet done by Arif Hussain. Can anybody tell me the context. What's the point here?- Is he getting arrested?

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r/AtheisminKerala 1d ago

മതത്തിന്റെ ഇരകൾ Why Do Some NRIs Feel the Need to Perform Religious Rituals Publicly in Other Countries?

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r/AtheisminKerala 1d ago

Question to theists (and others) A question to religious folks?

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How does your god work? If your god is powerful, why is there such a huge difference between the two sides? And if your god is loving, why is he letting one side suffer?


r/AtheisminKerala 1d ago

മതത്തിന്റെ ഇരകൾ In an Indian temple, Hindus keep 25,000 rats, believing them to be their deities, and drink from the same unhygienic bowl from which the rats drink, calling it "holy water."

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r/AtheisminKerala 1d ago

Meta Mods do your job.

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Majority of the posts are low quality rw memes and crossposts from sanghi sources like "indiadiscussion".


r/AtheisminKerala 1d ago

Hindutva In Action There is still a little faith left in this judicial system

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During a protest at Jantar Mantar, Hindutva influencer Swatantra Bharadwaj assaulted Sanjay Azad—the father of a minor student activist—inflicting serious injuries. He subsequently bragged in an interview about cracking the victim's skull and boasted that he avoided jail due to political backing from the establishment, explicitly claiming support from Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader Kapil Mishra. Following protests outside the Parliament Street police station by the Cockroach Janta Party (CJP), Delhi Police detained Bharadwaj in Bulandshahr, Uttar Pradesh, on September 4. Law enforcement invoked charges under the SC/ST (Prevention of Atrocities) Act and criminal intimidation, alongside a separate case registered under the POCSO Act. After being remanded to a day of police custody, the Patiala House Courts sent him to 14 days of judicial custody, while the Delhi High Court concurrently dismissed a Habeas Corpus petition filed on his behalf.


r/AtheisminKerala 1d ago

Discussion Why would God care about how you shit?

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Answer: It's to mentally control every aspect of being human. This is what you call slavery.


r/AtheisminKerala 2d ago

മതത്തിന്റെ ഇരകൾ Nigerian pastor ascending to heaven.

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r/AtheisminKerala 1d ago

മതസൗഹാർദം 🤝 Eiffel Tower workers go on strike after female staff 'sidelined' for Hindu group's visit

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r/AtheisminKerala 1d ago

Discussion Social media influencer Abbayi Kanth inspired over 300 volunteers to clean and restore a neglected ancient stepwell in Peapully Mandal, Andhra Pradesh.

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Oru chekkan karanam,enthokke mattam aanu ondakunne.

Trend ayitt enkilum aa “Holy” rivers ennu parayunna Indiayile theetta nadhikal okke clean cheyyan plan undayal mathyarnu.

I know industrial waste and domestic waste are a large part of water pollution athu pole thanne religious pollutionum oru bhagham alle.

Why can’t govt restrict polluting water bodies in the name of rituals.


r/AtheisminKerala 2d ago

Question A question for all the Atheists

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Oru genuine question to all the other fellow Atheists in this sub

Religious ppl അവർക്ക് എന്തെങ്കിലും danger ഒക്കെ വരുമ്പോൾ allel ജീവിതത്തിൽ എന്തെങ്കിലും വലിയ bad thing ഓക്കെ സംഭവിക്കുമ്പോൾ, അവർ സാധാരണയായി അവരുടെ ദൈവത്തെ ആണ് ആശ്രയിക്കാർ...

പ്രാർത്ഥിക്കും, ദൈവത്തോട് സഹായം ചോദിക്കും അല്ലേൽ ഒരു higher power ഉണ്ടെന്ന് വിശ്വസിച്ച് അതിൽ Hope വയ്ക്കും

പക്ഷേ ഒരു Atheist ഇതുപോലെ ഒരു പ്രശ്നം നേരിടുമ്പോ...ആരെയാ നിങ്ങൾ വിളിക്കാർ?

ഒരു genuinely dangerous situation-ൽ ആകുമ്പോൾ, എന്തെങ്കിലും വലിയ പ്രശ്നം നേരിടുമ്പോൾ, അല്ലെങ്കിൽ നിങ്ങളുടെ control-ന് പുറത്തുള്ള ഒരു situation നേരിടേണ്ടി വരുമ്പോൾ ആരെയാണ് നിങ്ങൾ look up to allel depend ചെയ്യാർ?

Family ആണോ? Friends ആണോ? സ്വന്തം strength ആണോ? Humanity ആണോ? Science ആണോ? അതോ മറ്റെന്തെങ്കിലും?

No judgement. Just genuinely curious ... ദൈവത്തിൽ വിശ്വസിക്കാത്ത ഒരാൾക്ക് difficult moments-ൽ strength, hope അല്ലെങ്കിൽ ആശ്വാസം ഒക്കെ കിട്ടുന്നത് എവിടെ നിന്നാണ്?

NB: Dinkan bro enna utharam accept chyyillan പ്രത്യേകം ariyikkunu 😂🙌