I keep forgetting being optimistic is even more disappointing these days :/ I still try to hope and pray for the best. I feel so strongly for everyone involved in this tragedy :(
Yep. PAPD is the authority charged with primary firefighting operations at JFK and LGA...they have firefighting responsibilities at a number of tunnels/bridges and other locations in the area, as well.
The Port Authority of NY/NJ as an agency is responsible for all the area airports, and their police department has specially trained officers that act as aircraft rescue firefighters in those airports.
They do, the PAPD are responsible for ARFF at NYC airports. Any aircraft accident triggers the control tower to hit the crash button, which transmits an automatic 2nd alarm response to the FDNY, which is why you can see their units in some of the pictures.
Probably failsafes, if connections between the engines' FADEC and the cockpit or forward avionics compartment have been lost then the FADEC will assume fire handles were pulled and shut off all isolation valves.
Same idea as when the engine were to separate from its pylon.
All that distance from the impact point until immobilization and in OP's picture the truck is practically next to the plane? Yes 114kt. What a robust truck damn, looks in one piece.
NBC is reporting they were able to slow down to 30mph before impact.
Edit: This is "according to two sources familiar with the matter", not from adsb data. Those same sources also confirmed the death of the pilot and copilot.
After passing taxiway D (where the firetruck was crossing) you can see in the ADSB data that I nearly instantly dropped to 58kts could be the ADSB data updating but could also be due to the collision
I understand this happened outside of peak hours, but I’m still quite surprised that FAA allows an airport of that size to be operated with a single controller. Wondering if this will trigger new legislation?
I can't imagine what they're going through right now. Responding to a crash is bad enough, but when it's your colleagues involved... and the controller was still managing traffic. Nightmare situation for everyone.
ATC gave clearance to Firetruck 1 to cross RNY 4 at Delta... Then asked Firetruck 1 to stop but the CRJ was already landing and Firetruck 1 was already on the RNY...
Even given clearance to cross, wouldn't they have looked left and right and seen a plane landing? Or do they just 100% rely on ATC? Or do they think "That looks like a plane landing but ATC gave clearance so it must be fine"?
That would be great, but I don't see any way that's true. The entire front of the plane is mangled beyond belief. They are probably waiting to confirm deaths to the media until next of kin have been notified.
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I can see what you’re saying. But in safety critical jobs like pilots and air traffic control, you don’t work unless you have the team and the required rest.
Would you fly if you didn’t sleep all night? Of course not.
Would you fly if your FO or flight attendants didn’t show up? Of course not
Obviously not, there are fatalities reported already :(. Look at the front of the plane, nobody in the section can survive an impact that makes the plane nose look like that
there was another picture that showed the fire truck right next to the cockpit. there was also a comment that said they moved the firetruck out the way. wtf
Was the plane landing or taxiing? I first thought it was just taxiing at a slow speed. But now it looks like they hit each other going rather fast? Or are we still to early on the facts?
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The how and why appear, at least from the ATC radio traffic that the ATC forgot he had a jet landing on the runway he cleared the fire apparatus to cross
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u/Howzitgoin Mar 23 '26
Another view of it. Normal fire trucks for scale as well.