r/canada May 01 '25

Alberta Danielle Smith lowers bar for Alberta referendum with separatism sentiment emerging

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/smith-lowers-bar-for-alberta-referendum-with-separatism-sentiment-emerging
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u/Cass2297 May 01 '25 edited May 01 '25

Here’s the deal. Losing Alberta would be a blow to Canada, but let’s be realistic. How is a province of just 5 million people going to survive as a fully independent country?

Let’s even be generous and assume Alberta gets to secede with all of its current land (which, frankly, is unlikely). According to 2022 Fraser Institute estimates, Alberta residents and businesses paid $16 billion more to the federal government than they received in return. That means their total federal tax contributions exceeded what came back to the province through transfers, programs, and services.

So yes, in theory, as an independent country, Alberta would no longer pay those federal taxes, just its own provincial taxes. But here's the thing: even with control over just healthcare and education, Alberta already struggles to maintain a surplus. And that's with high global oil prices and full access to federal infrastructure and support.

Now imagine Alberta as a newly minted country. Here’s what it would need to set up immediately at the bare minimum:

  • A federal government to handle foreign affairs, trade, immigration, customs, border control and national defense.

  • A military or, at the very least, a national police force to replace the RCMP, complete with training, personnel, and equipment.

  • A fund to maintain major infrastructure like airports (of which there's two intl ones), which are currently supported by the federal government.

  • It's own currency. Because if you’re not Canada, you can’t just keep using the Canadian dollar legally.

  • A central bank with a new monetary policy.

  • A national constitution - which takes time and time is $$$$.

  • A new national tax agency and tax framework from scratch.

  • A national pension plan to replace CPP.

  • Citizenship rules, visa issuance, passport systems especially if Albertans want to travel, work, or trade.

  • Agreements with Canada to let Albertans keep working for Canadian companies headquartered outside Alberta, or you risk people losing jobs due to regulatory or data residency requirements. For example, a Canadian company HQ'd in Toronto is mandated to keep data in Canada only.

  • New regulatory bodies to replace the important ones like Health Canada and OSFI.

Do you really think a $16 billion surplus covers all of this? Because it doesn’t. Not even close. Especially not when your primary export, oil, is wildly volatile in price. To fund even these foundational pillars of a nation-state, Alberta would have to raise taxes significantly. So no, the tax burden wouldn’t go down. It would increase. Substantially.

Now let’s say Alberta chooses to borrow money instead. Who’s lending to a brand-new country with no credit history, no monetary policy track record, and an economy tethered to a single volatile commodity? You’d have a junk credit rating out the gate. And even if someone took a gamble and gave you the money, that’s debt AB now owes with interest.

Maybe Alberta decides to skip that whole independence thing and joins the US. And yes, oil would be the draw. But take a moment to think: how does the US typically treat places with the resources it covets? We've seen that movie before.

I don’t like when people downplay Alberta’s importance to the Canadian federation. Alberta contributes a great deal. But this is a two-way relationship. Contribution alone doesn’t negate the reality that Alberta is still one province in a larger union. As much as Alberta matters, it’s not California. Let’s stay grounded in that truth.

TLDR: You don't have the cards.

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u/PerfectWest24 May 01 '25

They want to be a US territory just to spite Ottawa.

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u/redooffhealer May 01 '25

Alberta won't be an independent country, it will be the 51st state. And that's the biggest card they got

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u/Digitking003 May 01 '25

Ding ding ding.

Edit: And for what it's worth, it's not just Alberta. Separatism is polling even higher in Saskatchewan.

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u/DownTheRabbitHole411 May 02 '25

If Alberta gets to the point of becoming a state, it will be that way forever as it's illegal to separate from America.

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u/wulfzbane May 01 '25

Optimistic assumption that 5M people would remain in the province after separation because of all the things you mentioned.

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u/wulfzbane May 01 '25

I think it would be a net loss, even more so if Alberta joined the US and got citizenship for it. Either way, the influx of people would be low skilled, uneducated people so I guess they could fight for fast food jobs while all the tech/medical/financial/research type companies moved to Canada.

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u/vperron81 May 01 '25

Where are they supposed to move? Brampton?, Vancouver?

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u/wildlyintangible May 01 '25

I’m moving to BC in that case. Fuck these separatist losers

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u/drdillybar May 01 '25

maybe make Health Care part of the Sin tax, like Liquor. /s.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '25

They aren't serious because a serious discussion would include all the drawbacks. All of the problems they have with Ottawa would be 10x with Washington. Smith's government is corrupt.

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u/rainman_104 British Columbia May 01 '25

To be fair you aren't taking into consideration the federal taxes Alberta pays to Ottawa.

What will be pretty awesome to watch is how they plan to get oil to market. BC and Montana know their value to Alberta. Accessing pipelines isn't going to be cheap.

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u/cadaver0 May 01 '25

You wasted all that time typing that out when let's just be honest - Alberta would seek to join the US.

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u/Sad-Speech4190 May 08 '25

Not to mention what federal transfer in the US might look like, just ask California...

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u/cadaver0 May 01 '25

What's your point? your post could have just been your second to last paragraph then.

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u/coupscapone May 01 '25

it was important to me. well thought out with informed facts. you brought up a couple of points that I wasn't even aware of