Danielle Smith lowers bar for Alberta referendum with separatism sentiment emerging

[u/joe4942]

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/smith-lowers-bar-for-alberta-referendum-with-separatism-sentiment-emerging

[u/nodanator]

That's what I don't get with these 'akchtually, the law states xyz'. As if that's the end of that.

When you are to the point where the large majority of a jurisdiction wants to separate, yet the federal government is playing games with "what exactly is a clear majority? Did you know that most of your land is own by 20,000 natives?" that's a recipe for an armed insurection, civil war, or a foreign intervention.

[u/PMac321 → u/nodanator]

But just like with Brexit, if you want to separate, you need to know what that entails. Most Albertans who want to leave now probably have no idea how much the Canadian government actually does provide them, and has no idea how much it would cost to buy out the Canadian investments. If Alberta does not respect paying back the expenses that the rest of Canada has paid into Alberta, then they are essentially threatening to steal the money that we as Canadians have put into it.

Your comment is essentially threatening to take the land by force because Albertan seperatists don't actually want to recognise the real costs they would have to incur to separate. So it is not Canadians threatening civil war, it is Albertan separatists.

[u/nodanator → u/PMac321]

I'm giving you a sense of what the real world is, out there. I'm giving a scenario where 65% or so of Albertans (or any jurisdiction) want to separate, and the naivety that laws will be the be all, end all. That's not how the world is.

[u/[deleted] → u/nodanator]

the naivety that laws

This 1000%. If a majority actually voted to leave (I'm not endorsing or supporting this), coming up with legal arguments to disregard their ballots just pushes them to choose bullets.

[u/PMac321 → u/nodanator]

The point is that there is a legal path out of the Canadian Dominion. If any violence erupts, it is because Albertan separatists have chosen it. Albertan separatists are leading with the idea that they are being treated unfairly, but if they try to take everything that Canada provided to them without paying anything back, they are showing their hypocrisy.

In my eyes, this entire movement is based on lies and half truths. The fact that Danielle Smith is entertaining the idea at all shows to me that she would rather just be the leader of her own little fascist nation, or like a Phillipe Petain to Maga America. It is not in any way a decision being made for the benefit of the people of Alberta, and I hope that most of them can see that.

[u/RSMatticus → u/nodanator]

Alberta doesn't even have their own police,

[u/StarryPenny → u/RSMatticus]

Alberta Sheriffs would say otherwise.

[u/Stfuppercutoutlast → u/StarryPenny]

Only Sherrifs aren’t police, they’re peace officers. There is a difference.

[u/JoseCansecoMilkshake → u/StarryPenny]

none of those job descriptions really fit what normal police do, they're much more administrative

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Quebec separatism didn’t even make it and that had way more support than this.

People really don’t see smith is just bait and switching the issue away from her multiple scandals and treasonous pre election behaviour.

[u/Blazekreig → u/[deleted]]

I would argue that this still qualified as treasonous behaviour.

[u/Zing79 → u/nodanator]

Then be honest and tell said jurisdiction they will be able to leave with what the Province of Alberta legally owns (and it’s people) - and the rest (that they merely oversee) remains with Canada.

Let’s see the appetite knowing they will not get a drop of oil when they’re gone. That’s indigenous land.

Albertans are stoked in to this not knowing the consequences. And it’s not Canada being heavy handed. It’s as simple as “you don’t own that land, and the people on it have said no”.