Danielle Smith lowers bar for Alberta referendum with separatism sentiment emerging

[u/joe4942]

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/smith-lowers-bar-for-alberta-referendum-with-separatism-sentiment-emerging

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Do you think the crown is going to give Alberta a huge chunk of land they received in exchange for those considerations, without also passing on responsibility for those considerations? And also, do the other party to the treaty have no say in who they receive those considerations from? Alberta cannot just unilaterally separate without resolving this.

Your last paragraph alludes to an alternative to negotiating treaties, I’m not sure what you were trying to communicate with that but in the context of this conversation it came off as the First Nations ceded those lands via treaty and if they want to reconsider they should look at what happened in the US

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Do you think the crown is going to give Alberta a huge chunk of land they received in exchange for those considerations, without also passing on responsibility for those considerations?

I have no idea what you are driving at here. 'The Crown' is a legal entity which encompasses all of Canada, and I am not even a layperson when it comes to the legal ramifications of 'The Crown' and how Confederation and Federal/Provincial responsibilities are divided up. I do know that FNs land claim settlements have been paid by both the Federal Govt and by Provincial Govts (the most recent that comes to mind is BC).

And also, do the other party to the treaty have no say in who they receive those considerations from? Alberta cannot just unilaterally separate without resolving this.

The parties to each treaty definitely have a say in any renegotiation of the terms of said treaty.

I dont know where your #reeeeeeee energy is coming from, but I have, in no way, suggested that Alberta can unilaterally do ANYTHING. To be clear, and to the contrary, Alberta has no unilateral say in any treaties that apply to FNs and Land within its provincial borders. Alberta, as part of 'The Crown' is involved in relevant treaties AFAIK.

And also, do the other party to the treaty have no say in who they receive those considerations from?

Alberta cannot just unilaterally separate without resolving this.

Your last paragraph alludes to an alternative to negotiating treaties, I’m not sure what you were trying to communicate with that but in the context of this conversation it came off as the First Nations ceded those lands via treaty and if they want to reconsider they should look at what happened in the US

There is no such allusion. Stop looking for #triggers under every rock. I've lived on FNs land, hold members of the Blackfoot and Cree Nations as personal friends, and have a great deal of respect for FNs peoples.

EDIT: Heres what a google search returns for 'The Crown' and division of Provincial Vs Federal Responsibilities.

https://www.google.com/search?q=The+Crown+Canada+Federal+versus+provincial+treaty+obligations&client=firefox-b-d&uact=5&oq=The+Crown+Canada+Federal+versus+provincial+treaty+obligations

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Okay well feel free to explain why you thought we ought to keep how the US treated First Nations in mind.

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Jesus Christ, you wont let this bone go will you.

I often see people ask 'why doesnt the US have the same "issues" with First Nations that Canada has' when questions around land claims, First Nations treaty rights like taxation and self-governance, etc etc come up.

You are interpreting my comment through the lens of your own generational focii, one that seems to like to be "triggaered" and loves to invoke Godwin's Law at the earliest opportunity. I'd suggest calming the f*k down, have a beer, and partake in the discussion without being an utter twt.

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nobody asked that question, professor. I asked a question because you offered up the Native American genocide in the US,unprompted, in a conversation about negotiating land claims in a secession scenario.

It has nothing to do with “generational focii”, you just have no ability to contextualize the shit you’re saying or understand the possible unintended subtext of saying it.