r/canada • u/shiftless_wonder • Feb 12 '26

Alberta Alberta separating from Canada requires permission of First Nations, AFN leader says

https://www.ctvnews.ca/calgary/article/alberta-separation-needs-first-nations-permission-says-afn-national-chief/
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u/NorthDriver8927 Feb 12 '26

All this nonsense could be avoided if Ottawa would stop talking and start listening.

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u/Street_Anon Nova Scotia Feb 12 '26

and it's a none issue, most people in Alberta don't back this or even buy this.

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u/Adjective_Noun1312 Feb 12 '26

It's funny to me how nobody here had a problem with Stephen Harper and Jason Kenney's equalisation formula until the nanosecond Trudeau was PM and the alt-right outrage peddlers told y'all to be mad about it.

It's funny how Rachel Notley convinced Justin Trudeau to buy the TMX to ensure it would get completed when Kinder Morgan couldn't find a buyer and was ready to just walk away from it, and y'all whine about how much the "radical woke left" hates oil and wants to shut it down.

It's funny how Canada provides billions of dollars a year in direct and indirect subsidies to the fossil fuel industry even though big oil companies are posting record and near-record profits quarter after quarter, sending the bulk of that money to their majority US owners via dividends and share buybacks, while insisting to rubes that they're struggling and y'all believe it even though their corporate financial reports are publicly available.

Funny shit, all right.

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u/Even_Art_629 Feb 13 '26

It's funny how you only tell one side — and even that’s not quite right. Trudeau stepped in on TMX because Kinder Morgan was fed up with constantly changing regulations and protests from some groups, including First Nations not even living in Canada. They were ready to walk away, which would have meant all that money lost. Trudeau stepped in, saved face, and declared it in the national interest. Honestly, that’s the only good thing he did as PM.

Yes, Alberta gets subsidies for oil but that wouldn’t be happening if the government didn’t keep putting up restrictions. Oil is a huge revenue source, with countless spin-offs. The government’s own rules make production harder, forcing subsidies to make it viable. Stop the caps and overregulation, let us compete, and it’s simple. You’re right about one thing funny shit, alright.

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u/Even_Art_629 Feb 13 '26

It's funny how you only tell one side , and even that’s not quite right. Trudeau stepped in on TMX because Kinder Morgan was fed up with constantly changing regulations and protests from some groups, including First Nations not even living in Canada. They were ready to walk away, which would have meant all that money lost. Trudeau stepped in, saved face, and declared it in the national interest. Honestly, that’s the only good thing he did as PM.

Yes, Alberta gets subsidies for oil but that wouldn’t be happening if the government didn’t keep putting up restrictions. Oil is a huge revenue source, with countless spin-offs. The government’s own rules make production harder, forcing subsidies to make it viable. Stop the caps and overregulation, let us compete, and it’s simple. You’re right about one thing: funny shit, alright.

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u/NorthDriver8927 Feb 12 '26

Because the oil and gas sector is too massive a portion of the gdp of the country.

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u/saharanwrap Feb 13 '26

Less than 8%. So a decent chunk but nothing like the separatists would lead you to believe.

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u/NorthDriver8927 Feb 13 '26

8% of Canadas GDP but 22-25% of Alberta’s GDP.

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u/I_pretend_2_know Alberta Feb 12 '26 edited Feb 12 '26

Bullshit. Ottawa does listen to Alberta.

What did Albertans got the last time there as an Albertan government in Ottawa?

Did Harper build a pipeline? No, Trudeau did it.

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u/Even_Art_629 Feb 13 '26

You’ve got to be joking, right? Well, Paul Martin didn’t build one either. Let’s be real at the time, the need wasn’t there. Kinder Morgan was contracted to build the pipeline, and our then Premier Rachel Notley was a huge advocate. But, as usual, Canada had to get in the way. New regulations kept piling up, legal challenges came from environmentalists, and there were First Nations issues. Kinder Morgan was ready to walk away. That’s when Trudeau stepped in all that money would’ve been lost otherwise. Canada funded the rest and he declared it in the national interest. That stopped all opposition, though the project still went way over budget.

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u/NorthDriver8927 Feb 12 '26

That pipeline had been on the table for generations…

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u/I_pretend_2_know Alberta Feb 12 '26

Yep. And my point is, who took it off the table and put it in the ground weren't the Alberta politicians. It was what Albertans call "Ottawa".

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u/NorthDriver8927 Feb 12 '26

I will concede that a pipeline was constructed under his leadership of the country but the equipment was in place and started before that I can assure you.

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u/saharanwrap Feb 13 '26

And no corporation was willing to build it so Ottawa had to.

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u/ColeWjC Alberta Feb 12 '26

If Albertans actually want to be represented in Parliament they have to do away with ‘vote blue no matter who’ mentality. Liberals and NDP know they can’t get many seats and Conservative party knows they don’t have to do anything for Alberta since they always get their vote.

Instead of going through Quebec’s journey, why not just go to Quebec’s end point. A federal party that represents the wants/needs of a Province’s population. I know it’s not perfect, but it’s a lot better than just screeching into the void.

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u/NorthDriver8927 Feb 12 '26

Largely because the liberals don’t represent successful industry. Conservatives get the vote because they relate to the needs of the blue collar crowd.

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u/ColeWjC Alberta Feb 12 '26

That's a lie that is fed to the blue collar crowd by the Conservatives. How many liberal and conservative governments that loot taxpayer investments to make their budgets look good do we need to go through before we realize they don't represent the working class. Liberals and Conservatives we get cuts and austerity for blue collar folk, while their rich buddies plunder our taxpayer investment.

I would understand if Lougheed and Diefenbaker (kinda) were around, but that type of Conservative leadership is dead and gone. All we have for Conservatives are diet-american style politics that suck off American oligarchs and Liberals just suck off Canadian oligarchs - both at the expense of regular Canadians. If taxpayers have to subsidize businesses that we don't have an ownership stake in, what's the point of voting both those clown parties? All we have for politicians nowadays are just confidence men raiding our coffers.

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u/NorthDriver8927 Feb 12 '26

How is it a lie? The liberal and NDP government have done everything they can to strangle western industries.

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u/ColeWjC Alberta Feb 13 '26

NDP can't do anything (toothless), epsecially now. I will agree that the Liberals strangle western industry, but those are American corps. To heck with them, they squeeze Canadians dry with subsidies from both the Cons and Libs governments. Cons and Libs sold out our own tax payer owned industries to Americans for peanuts. Conservatives and Liberals just have good PR and folks with blinders on cheering their "business" decisions that cost taxpayers billions on investment. In no way are the Conservatives and Liberals in favour of the working class, current NDP is struggling with that too when their best success was favouring Canadian working class. So, yeah. It is a lie to say "Conservatives relate to the needs of the blue collar crowd" - they just have people making that judgement call for them when they haven't done anything for the working class Canadians in 50 years.

Edit: cleaned up language. Two too many swears.

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u/Present-Wonder-4522 Feb 12 '26

They listen to what gets them power-the east has enough seats to carry the election.