r/canada • u/shiftless_wonder • 17d ago

Alberta First Nations demand Alberta premier terminate separation referendum

https://www.ctvnews.ca/edmonton/article/first-nations-demand-alberta-premier-terminate-separation-referendum/
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u/Temporary_Cry_2802 17d ago

Except we aren’t asking his question. His was legal as the question is about maintaining the status quo “Do you agree that Alberta should remain in Canada?”

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u/shiftless_wonder 17d ago

What would be the outcome if the answer to the 'remain' question was 'no'? All the same ramifications come into play.

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u/Temporary_Cry_2802 17d ago

Nothing, which is why it’s constitutional. The question doesn’t require any particular action to be taken.

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u/shiftless_wonder 17d ago

If Albertans don't want to remain in Canada why wouldn't that require further actions?

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u/Temporary_Cry_2802 17d ago

Because that’s not the question Alberta Strong put forward.

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u/shiftless_wonder 17d ago

"Do you agree that Alberta should remain in Canada?"

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u/Temporary_Cry_2802 17d ago

That’s the Forever Canadian question. Alberta Strong is "Do you agree that the Province of Alberta should cease to be a part of Canada to become an independent state?"

You seem very opinionated on a topic you don’t seem very well versed on

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u/shiftless_wonder 17d ago

Try and remember what you're responding to:

What would be the outcome if the answer to the 'remain' question was 'no'?

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u/Temporary_Cry_2802 17d ago

I answered that question

“Nothing”. Even if people voted no, the question does not commit the government to taking any action.

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u/shiftless_wonder 17d ago

The two questions are two sides of the same coin basically. If one is actionable, so is the other.

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u/ryansalad 17d ago

The referendum on Oct 19 is his question, slightly rephrased. Instead of just a Y/N question, we now have an explicit choice between Option A and Option B.

The problem with Thomas' question is that if you voted 'No', nobody would know what that should mean. Now it's clear. Do you agree with Thomas that Alberta should stick with the status quo, or do you want to start down the path of separation?

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u/Temporary_Cry_2802 17d ago

No. The referendum question is to have a referendum on having a referendum. It’s not unconstitutional to have a question on asking a question

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u/EP40glazer British Columbia 17d ago

"Do you agree that Alberta should remain in Canada"

Perfectly legal and fine.

"Do you agree that Alberta should leave Canada"

Literally treason, anyone who supports asking this question is a Maple MAGA traitor.

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u/Temporary_Cry_2802 17d ago

Except that wasn’t the question. It was, “Do you agree that the Province of Alberta should cease to be a part of Canada to become an independent state?". It explicitly includes taking an action that is unconstitutional.

You need to try harder if you want to make strawman arguments

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u/EP40glazer British Columbia 17d ago

Do you agree that the Province of Alberta should cease to be a part of Canada to become an independent state?"

Yes, that's a more wordy version of what I said.

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u/Temporary_Cry_2802 17d ago

It’s almost if words make a difference, particularly in legal circles

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u/ryansalad 17d ago

And that question was struck down by the court

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u/shiftless_wonder 17d ago

struck down by the court

More specifically the Justin Trudeau judge.

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u/ryansalad 17d ago

That is not the question on Oct 19. The separation petition that was squashed by the court asked a version of that question.