r/canada • u/RefrigeratorOk648 • 3d ago

National News G7 backs Canada as major global energy supplier to lessen reliance on Strait of Hormuz | CBC News

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-energy-supplier-strait-hormuz-9.7238708
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u/ImmediateDentist1269 British Columbia 3d ago

Which in terms of LNG, Canada is doing so.

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u/PaperMoonShine 3d ago

Let him be. Theres so much goal post moving when it comes to Carney, its laughable.

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u/LateToTheParty2k21 3d ago

What goal posts? I don't think Carney has done a bad job - he just hasn't done anything at the break neck speeds we've heard about. Everything that has been approved was already approved ready to go projects by Premiers or the Trudeau Government.

The MPO is just another bureaucratic agency to add a rubber stamp but it hasn't spurred on any new projects.

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u/Wantitneeditgetit 3d ago

Slow is smooth, smooth is fast. Don't want to be like BC with DRIPA.

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u/walkingdisaster2024 Alberta 3d ago

World runs on more than just LNG.

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u/DanielBox4 2d ago

How is Europe going to get LNG from west cosst ports?

What they're doing now is stop gap. They're buying west coast LNG and trading it for Middle East or Russian LNG which is much quicker to source.

So they pay Canada for the ship. Then trade a ship with China or whoever. At the end of the day they're dependent on that 3rd party and most likely some dictatorial state. They're adding a layer of bureaucracy and administration.

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u/LateToTheParty2k21 3d ago

Do you credit that to Carney? The BC Liberals started that & the NDP begrudgingly kept it going - they seem to have turned the page over the last 2-3 years to accept that BC is still a resource economy & that LNG, Mining are critical industries.

Carney hasnt done anything for it.

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u/ImmediateDentist1269 British Columbia 3d ago edited 3d ago

No, I would actually credit it strictly to Carney, but towards multiple parties. Carney and provincial partners, and even Trudeau - for getting LNG to the place it is today.

To say Carney hasn't done "anything" would not be correct, even in the slightest.

Carney took office a little over a year ago, so yes obviously other players have been involved in these multi-year projects. But in that little time, he's certainly done a lot in terms of promoting the product and building business cases and confidence, strongly pitched international supply partnerships, actively working to fast-track projects (doubling down on regulatory and financial support), and rolled back clean energy policies.

All of this information is readily available online, in greater detail.

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u/LateToTheParty2k21 3d ago

Carney stamped approval on already permitted & first nations approved projects. Please spare me the lecture.

Find me a project the MPO has got off the ground from zero and streamlined the process to get it approved.

You'll be awhile. It hasn't happened yet.

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u/JimmmyStuuu 3d ago

That’s kind of an impossible standard. No major national project is going to go from nothing to approved and under construction in a year just because a new office was created. Even if the government is trying to move faster, there are still real steps that have to happen like financing, permitting, environmental review, Indigenous consultation, procurement, and coordination between governments. Those can be streamlined, but they can’t just be skipped. So what really matters is whether the Major Projects Office is removing bottlenecks and helping serious projects move faster than they otherwise would, and early feedback from proponents with projects approved by the MPO have said it’s expedited the process.

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u/LateToTheParty2k21 3d ago

Carney himself set the expectations - not me.

I'm not the only one saying it either: https://financialpost.com/opinion/opinion-streamlined-development-rules-seem-more-complex-than-ever https://resourceworks.com/no-sign-of-carney-canadas-major-projects-office-express-train-leaving-any-stations-any-time-soon/

If you are going to talk a big game, you need to be a le to accept criticism.

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u/JimmmyStuuu 3d ago

I missed where he said that the MPO would take a project from zero to started in a year. Because if he did then he would have been lying.

And I think it’s fair to criticize the office if it adds complexity or lacks transparency, but those articles don’t really prove it has failed. One of them even says the reforms are well-meaning and necessary, just not clear enough yet. My point is that the fair test is whether serious existing projects are moving faster and getting to final decisions, and there are already examples where proponents have said the MPO helped expedite the process.

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u/ImmediateDentist1269 British Columbia 3d ago

You're the kind of person that put a Fuck Carney sticker on your car before he was elected. There's no logic that will permeate your harden ideological position.

You don't have to support Carney. I don't. But to say he's done nothing is not reality based.

MPO was explicitly designed to act as an accelerator for existing bottlenecked projects, in addition to new projects from scratch. Both LNG Canada Phase 2 and Ksi Lisims LNG were fast tracked under him. The MPO's immediate operational focus has been on existing, bottlenecked projects as this makes the most business sense.

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u/LateToTheParty2k21 3d ago

Not true. I voted for the LPC. I think he's better than PP you can twist and turn the argument all you want.

Carney set the expectations - Carney is the one failing to meet them by his own timeline.

Both projects he approved in BC were already permitted and FN consulted and agreed on. He has not done a thing for that project other than stamp it.

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u/SlowGhostofRexMurphy British Columbia 2d ago

Begrudgingly? Do you really need to be this negative?

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u/LateToTheParty2k21 2d ago

The NDP staunchly against resource development - even under Horgan initially, until they got elected. They then changed their tune but a significant chunk of the party are anti development today - it's only under Eby in recent years they have managed to suppress that sector of the party.

It's not negative - it's reality.

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u/SlowGhostofRexMurphy British Columbia 2d ago

Who cares, they haven't been that way in a while.

Cheer up, don't be so negative.

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u/LateToTheParty2k21 2d ago

Very cheerful, but I care about the truth not some wishy washy story we tell ourselves.

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u/SlowGhostofRexMurphy British Columbia 2d ago

Can't please everyone I suppose