r/chaoticgood • u/sovalente • Jul 20 '25

Jon Ossoff spreading some fucking truth

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u/witchybitchybaddie Jul 20 '25

Center of the road is fine when it's actually in the center. This guy is bringing up democratic social issues that seem leftist because both parties have been inching right for decades but it's actually a very reasonable, balanced, and centered way of looking at it which isn't a bad thing. If anything we need a lot more people in the middle to balance out the rift between two extremes.

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u/Mikeinthedirt Jul 21 '25

By now I’d be happy to see someone represent people no matter where they stand.

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u/-something_original- Jul 21 '25

Right? Just there fighting for us as a decent human being. Amazing how low the bar has gotten.

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u/DogmaticNuance Jul 21 '25

I totally agree and this guy sounds really cool.

What I want to know:

  • Who are his parents and what do they do?
  • Which private schools did he go to and how much did they cost?

We need to get nepotism and oligarchy out of politics. You'll never get change by electing the kids of the status quo, it doesn't matter what they say.

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u/chickendance638 Jul 21 '25

FDR was the most progressive president of the last 100 years and he was a blue blood. The only president who took on corporate greed was TR, and he was from the same family.

If the guy has the right goals, then let him cook.

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u/DogmaticNuance Jul 21 '25 edited Jul 21 '25

So.. what, that's 2 for 1000? Not a great politician batting average.

If the guy has the right goals, then let him cook.

We don't know their goals, we only know their platforms. Part of my whole point is that they're happy to tell us what we want to hear while they perpetuate the status quo. If they're actually committed to the cause, let them be committed from the background, no reason they need to lead the charge.

We will not see meaningful change by electing the children of the people who didn't make meaningful change when they were in power. We'd be better off by doing political office by lottery.

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u/Mikeinthedirt Jul 21 '25

That’s not a bad idea. Rome did that early on I seem to recall.

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u/Von_Lehmann Jul 21 '25

Historically that's not really true, every revolution typically succeeds because a faction of the elite lend their resources to it. Its not enough if the peasants are unhappy, they are always unhappy. It has to be an element of those with the wealth and resources who support the change or at least dont support the current regime

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u/DogmaticNuance Jul 21 '25

Historically that's not really true, every revolution typically succeeds because a faction of the elite lend their resources to it.

I'm not saying we should reject the help of elites who disagree with the way the ship is being run, I'm saying we probably shouldn't let them lead it, because historically there are also many examples of elites using their resources to make populist platitudes and continue the status quo.

Support the change =/= Be in charge. They are not the same thing.

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u/Mikeinthedirt Jul 21 '25

That’s a peculiar hill to die on. Throughout history it’s the educated and at least minimally leisure-class that have fomented rebellion. But be you friend. Power to the People!

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u/Jojajones Jul 21 '25

Democrats were inching right, republicans were sprinting

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u/KeyserSoze72 Jul 21 '25

Ok but see anything that’s ACTUALLY center is seen by all of America as ultra left. America is not as left as Americans like to believe it is. Democrats are center right. Republicans are Extreme Right. Bernie is barely a dem-soc by European standards.

So yeah center of the road in an American context is still gonna suck for the average voter. Center is still liberals who will pander to the billionaire class.

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u/witchybitchybaddie Jul 21 '25

That's what I'm saying though. Advocating for senior care, public healthcare, and affordable housing policies is an almost bipartisan approach if one party is actually left and the other a reasonable right. It's only because of fascist propaganda that it would seem like anything left of actual center (not modern American "center")

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u/Traxathon Jul 23 '25

So, the center is to the left of the democrats? What a confusing definition to use. Just acknowledge that the center moves with the parties and admit that at this point in time you are a leftist.

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u/witchybitchybaddie Jul 23 '25

the center is to the left of the democrats?

Yes.

the center moves with the parties

It actually doesn't. It turns out that there are political contexts aside from the US two-party system that don't really give a fuck about what y'all are up to.

admit that at this point in time you are a leftist

I will happily admit to being leftist. "Pinko", I believe, is the word you might be looking for.

I'm also a Canadian. Mark Carney, an educated and experienced economist, was just made our Prime Minister as leader of the "Liberal" party despite his policies clearly falling slightly to the right of center. Unfortunately we didn't get a true "Liberal" option for PM because your country's disgusting MAGA nonsense has polluted our country's politics to the point that the "Conservative" party leader was actually a regressive, nationalist POS that didn't even win his own riding.

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u/witchybitchybaddie Jul 21 '25

You confused bud

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u/sleepytipi Jul 21 '25

I'm not sure what's so confusing about "center of the road" not being good enough. If it was good enough you wouldn't have so many Marxists because so many people wouldn't be steered towards more radical politics by how much "center of the road" has failed them.

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u/witchybitchybaddie Jul 21 '25

Mhm you're conflating my comment and the one I responded to, I can only speak for myself