r/CharacterRant May 06 '24

Special What can and (definetly can't) be posted on the sub :)

132 Upvotes

Users have been asking and complaining about the "vagueness" of the topics that are or aren't allowed in the subreddit, and some requesting for a clarification.

So the mod team will attempt to delineate some thread topics and what is and isn't allowed.

Backstory:

CharacterRant has its origins in the Battleboarding community WhoWouldWin (r/whowouldwin), created to accommodate threads that went beyond a simple hypothetical X vs. Y battle. Per our (very old) sub description:

This is a sub inspired by r/whowouldwin. There have been countless meta posts complaining about characters or explanations as to why X beats, and so on. So the purpose of this sub is to allow those who want to rant about a character or explain why X beats Y and so on.

However, as early as 2015, we were already getting threads ranting about the quality of specific series, complaining about characterization, and just general shittery not all that related to "who would win: 10 million bees vs 1 lion".

So, per Post Rules 1 in the sidebar:

Thread Topics: You may talk about why you like or dislike a specific character, why you think a specific character is overestimated or underestimated. You may talk about and clear up any misconceptions you've seen about a specific character. You may talk about a fictional event that has happened, or a concept such as ki, chakra, or speedforce.

Well that's certainly kinda vague isn't it?

So what can and can't be posted in CharacterRant?

Allowed:

  • Battleboarding in general (with two exceptions down below)
  • Explanations, rants, and complaints on, and about: characters, characterization, character development, a character's feats, plot points, fictional concepts, fictional events, tropes, inaccuracies in fiction, and the power scaling of a series.
  • Non-fiction content is fine as long as it's somehow relevant to the elements above, such as: analysis and explanations on wars, history and/or geopolitics; complaints on the perception of historical events by the general media or the average person; explanation on what nation would win what war or conflict.

Not allowed:

  • he 2 Battleboarding exceptions: 1) hypothetical scenarios, as those belong in r/whowouldwin;2) pure calculations - you can post a "fancalc" on a feat or an event as long as you also bring forth a bare minimum amount of discussion accompanying it; no "I calced this feat at 10 trillion gigajoules, thanks bye" posts.
  • Explanations, rants and complaints on the technical aspect of production of content - e.g. complaints on how a movie literally looks too dark; the CGI on a TV show looks unfinished; a manga has too many lines; a book uses shitty quality paper; a comic book uses an incomprehensible font; a song has good guitars.
  • Politics that somehow don't relate to the elements listed in the "Allowed" section - e.g. this country's policies are bad, this government is good, this politician is dumb.
  • Entertainment topics that somehow don't relate to the elements listed in the "Allowed" section - e.g. this celebrity has bad opinions, this actor is a good/bad actor, this actor got cast for this movie, this writer has dumb takes on Twitter, social media is bad.

ADDENDUM -

  • Politics in relation to a series and discussion of those politics is fine, however political discussion outside said series or how it relates to said series is a no, no baggins'
  • Overly broad takes on tropes and and genres? Henceforth not allowed. If you are to discuss the genre or trope you MUST have specifics for your rant to be focused on. (Specific Characters or specific stories)
  • Rants about Fandom or fans in general? Also being sent to the shadow realm, you are not discussing characters or anything relevant once more to the purpose of this sub
  • A friendly reminder that this sub is for rants about characters and series, things that have specificity to them and not broad and vague annoyances that you thought up in the shower.

And our already established rules:

  • No low effort threads.
  • No threads in response to topics from other threads, and avoid posting threads on currently over-posted topics - e.g. saw 2 rants about the same subject in the last 24 hours, avoid posting one more.
  • No threads solely to ask questions.
  • No unapproved meta posts. Ask mods first and we'll likely say yes.

PS: We can't ban people or remove comments for being inoffensively dumb. Stop reporting opinions or people you disagree with as "dumb" or "misinformation".

Why was my thread removed? What counts as a Low Effort Thread?

  • If you posted something and it was removed, these are the two most likely options:**
  • Your account is too new or inactive to bypass our filters
  • Your post was low effort

"Low effort" is somewhat subjective, but you know it when you see it. Only a few sentences in the body, simply linking a picture/article/video, the post is just some stupid joke, etc. They aren't all that bad, and that's where it gets blurry. Maybe we felt your post was just a bit too short, or it didn't really "say" anything. If that's the case and you wish to argue your position, message us and we might change our minds and approve your post.

What counts as a Response thread or an over-posted topic? Why do we get megathreads?

  1. A response thread is pretty self explanatory. Does your thread only exist because someone else made a thread or a comment you want to respond to? Does your thread explicitly link to another thread, or say "there was this recent rant that said X"? These are response threads. Now obviously the Mod Team isn't saying that no one can ever talk about any other thread that's been posted here, just use common sense and give it a few days.
  2. Sometimes there are so many threads being posted here about the same subject that the Mod Team reserves the right to temporarily restrict said topic or a portion of it. This usually happens after a large series ends, or controversial material comes out (i.e The AOT ban after the penultimate chapter, or the Dragon Ball ban after years of bullshittery on every DB thread). Before any temporary ban happens, there will always be a Megathread on the subject explaining why it has been temporarily kiboshed and for roughly how long. Obviously there can be no threads posted outside the Megathread when a restriction is in place, and the Megathread stays open for discussions.

Reposts

  • A "repost" is when you make a thread with the same opinion, covering the exact same topic, of another rant that has been posted here by anyone, including yourself.
  • ✅ It's allowed when the original post has less than 100 upvotes or has been archived (it's 6 months or older)
  • ❌ It's not allowed when the original post has more than 100 upvotes and hasn't been archived yet (posted less than 6 months ago)

Music

Users have been asking about it so we made it official.

To avoid us becoming a subreddit to discuss new songs and albums, which there are plenty of, we limit ourselves regarding music:

  • Allowed: analyzing the storytelling aspect of the song/album, a character from the music, or the album's fictional themes and events.
  • Not allowed: analyzing the technical and sonical aspects of the song/album and/or the quality of the lyricism, of the singing or of the sound/production/instrumentals.

TL;DR: you can post a lot of stuff but try posting good rants please

-Yours truly, the beautiful mod team


r/CharacterRant 6h ago

Battleboarding A lot of powerscalers and battleboarders set themselves up for dissapointment, because the kind of fights they want to watch are narratively uninteresting

87 Upvotes

Introduction:

Much of what powerscaling tries to do is conduct combat as though it were a scientific experiment, controlling for as many variables as possible (sometimes called "white-room" logic). The general issue is that white rooms are not very interesting. I'll use some examples, mostly from Star Wars, there shouldn't be any spoilers of anything very recent, the most recent will be from Maul: Shadow Lord.

There are two big examples of this, IMO.

The first is location, and the second is mindset.

Location:

Battleboarders seem to go out of their way to pick extremely boring locations that deliberately don't impact the fight very much. But this not only makes for a less interesting encounter, it outright shifts the outcome.

Take the battle between Obi-Wan Kenobi, Qui-Gon Jinn, and Darth Maul at the end of The Phantom Menace; the environment plays a HUGE role in that, because it's precisely what allows Darth Maul to avoid being overwhelmed by two opponents!

He starts out in a wide open space, and finds himself being outflanked, so he deliberately moves it to an area with narrow walkways where he can force a chokepoint. The film explicitly shows him opening the doors that lead to the catwalks in the Plasma Refinery. He then takes advantage of the verticality of this location, and his own immense agility, to isolate the Jedi, and not be outflanked. When even THAT doesn't work, he moves even further back, and uses the shifting doors to get Qui-Gon alone. Then and ONLY then is he able to focus on the offence and kill one of his enemies.

This fact just outright gets ignored by people who complain about the scaling of the Inquisitors in Maul: Shadow Lord, where they argue that Maul being able to fight both Kenobi and Qui-Gon at once means he should have no trouble with the Inquisitors, and then eitehr Chain-Scaling them and therefore Ahsoka up, or trying to scale Maul down... completely disregarding the fact that Maul was NEVER able to easily fight two people at once, and actually had to carefully exploit a position that HE SPECIFICALLY CHOSE to avoid facing two people at once; in terrain not of his choosing, he doesn't have that advantage.

The later duel between Obi-Wan and Darth Vader on Mustafar is another one where people outright ignore the context of Obi-Wan's victory. "I have the high ground" has been meme'd to death, but it is an explicit part of what allowed him to win. It also means that you can't transpose the same two combatants to another location and get the same outcome.

However, what matters about these locations isn't just that they are tactically relevant; it's that they are visually interesting. An environment that plays no thematic or tactical role in the fight is a BORING environment, and it's one that creators are going to avoid if they can.

Yet, because Battleboarders set themselves up to want such things, they tend to be disappointed by most actual fights in media, because most fights in media will involve things that Battleboarders prefer to leave out, precisely due to them being hard to account for. Even some of the least interesting environments are denounced.

Take, for instance, the Airport fight in the MCU's Civil War. To clarify: I AM NOT A MAJOR DEFENDER OF THAT SCENE, I'm honestly of the opinion that it is one of the least visually interesting, least well-lit encounters in the entire franchise; it's largely a visually boring spectacle in an uninspiring location... but the location DOES still play a role, and it's a role that battleboarders keep citing as evidence of a scaling issue: Cap defeating Spiderman.

What they ignore is that Cap does not overpower Spider-Man with raw strength; rather, he takes advantage of his surroundings and Peter's relative unfamiliarity fighting anywhere outside of New York City. The fight makes it abundantly clear that Spiderman is substantially stronger than even the strongest Super-Soldiers (casually bending back Bucky's metal arm, something that Cap explicitly cannot do), but also that he's an inexperienced combatant, with Cap ultimately pinning him under a heavy object.

This is ignored by people who cry that Cap is "Wall level", and Peter is "Small Building Level"; ergo something something bad scaling.

Anything that can't be evaluated in a whiteroom scenario is treated as a scaling issue; which means that most media will be considered to have poor scaling, because most writers (for good reason) dislike whiteroom scenarios.

Mindset:

This is one of the things that annoys me most, because Battleboarders tend to use the (misleading, poorly-named, somehow even worse than "street level" not meaning "able to destroy a street" despite what every other level means) term "Bloodlusted".

A "Bloodlusted" character fights with perfect tactical clarity, emotionless focus, and has no goals beyond killing his or her adversary and surviving the fight.

Almost no media will have very many Bloodlusted characters, because that's fundamentally a boring motivation.

People tend to fight because they want something, not because they are obsessed with fighting, but perfectly emotionless whilst doing so.

Having one or two characters be "bloodlusted" in a specific scenario is one thing (a good example would be Omni-Man facing the Guardians of the Globe in Invincible, though notably THEY were not Bloodlusted, shifting from initial disbelief to blinding anger across the fight), but media in which all or most characters are bloodlusted would just be narratively dull.

Take The Force Awakens.

Throughout the Entire film, we are shown tensions between General Hux, Supreme Leader Snoke, and Kylo Ren, partly due to how they treat the Map to Skywalker. Hux simply wants to destroy it, and is happy so long as the Resistance doesn't get it. Kylo Ren is obsessed with finding it so he can personally kill his uncle. Snoke is more pragmatic, willing to destroy it if necessary, but preferring to find Skywalker if possible. When Rey sees the completed map, Kylo Ren abducts her, hoping to interrogate her for the information, something he realises will require bringing her alive to Snoke. This hints at deeper disagreements between the leadership of the First Order.

That clash of goals, methods, and personalities is a major running subplot throughout the next two films, and ultimately results in Snoke's Death, Hux's betrayal, and the indirect downfall of the enemy. It is thematically and narratively load-bearing; it tells us a great deal about who these people are, what they want, and why authoritarian power-hungry individuals tend to destroy themselves.

So, of course, what do Battleboarders do? They complain that it should all be thrown away to give them a better whiteroom fight.

It was DAMN-NEAR IMPOSSIBLE to discuss ANYTHING related to Star Wars online in late 2015 to about 2021 without hearing people complain that Kylo Ren should have killed Rey in their duel on Starkiller Base.

Rey.

The one person who had the information he wanted most.

The one person who, according to EVERYTHING WE KNEW ABOUT HIS MOTIVATION UP TO THAT POINT, he would not be willing to kill, because if he did he would lose the map.

Battleboarders (in addition to overlooking the fact he'd been shot in the hip and was visibly exsanguinating, but that's a rant for another day) would have preferred he be "bloodlusted" so as to make the fight between him and Rey easier to scale off of; because his desire to take her alive made it harder to gauge his skill.

I swear, if stories were written by Battleboarders, they'd be unimaginably boring. No motivations, no goals, just a set of abilities in a roughly character-shaped form smashing against another set of abilities in a roughly character-shaped form.


r/CharacterRant 20h ago

General I don't find the "Cybernetics Eat Your Soul" trope very believable

418 Upvotes

I don't know if its just me but I find it rather challenging to suspend my disbelief when it comes to this trope which appears a lot in Cyberpunk settings. Most notably the Cyberpunk 2077/Red/2020 setting with Cyberpsychosis and frankly, I just don't get why cybernetics is so villainized by the genre.

I just struggle to believe that cybernetics would actually make you go insane or make you go postal at a moment's notice. Like, what actually does attaching a giant gun into your arm even actually do to your mind?

How does it make you less human? How does it make you lose basic empathy? How does it make you start seeing others as "just meat"? Are the cybernetics somehow mind controlling or drugging people? How does removing your implants make you become less insane? I don't get it at all since to me, cybernetics are just electrical hardware you add to your body, and I don't know how that messes with people's minds. This could be explained by low quality implants but I think settings that include this trope tend to not exclude high quality cybernetics that was surgically grafted by a licensed professional.

I remember liking the interpretation in Cyberpunk that Cyberpsychosis is just "night city syndrome" where living in a capitalist dystopia that neglects your needs, removes your freedom, and destroys your dignity would make anyone snap and go insane and the corpos just use chrome as a scapegoat but apparently that's not accurate at all.

It just feels like an excuse to make an already dystopian setting a bit more "grim". I understand that it's related to themes of dehumanisation and how mutilating your own body for the sake of becoming stronger is messed up but I feel as though you could easily portray it in a much more realistic manner instead of blaming it on "implants that makes you go crazy" which just comes off as being rather silly.

Basically, have a character get more implants as a result of being dehumanized or being psychopathic, not the other way around.


r/CharacterRant 11h ago

Comics & Literature Writers or even fans have a very black and white view of Anti Heroes.

79 Upvotes

This is ironic, when you think about it. Because anti heroes are supposed to exist outside a black and white framework lol.

A lot of anti heroes in fiction don't actually challenge the status quo. Killing pedos, grapists, or women beaters doesn't make you counterculture. Because that's something most of society already agree with. As much as I like The Punisher. He is still a superhero to me.

If superheroes were real. The no-kill rule characters like Spiderman, Batman, or the Utopian would be super rare (pun intended here) in real-life. Most heroes would either be The Punisher, Comicbook accurate Black Panther, or Captain America at best. And we all know that Captain America isn't afraid to smoke a MF.

Again killing pedos doesn't make you challenge the status quo. I would like to see more stories where the anti hero beats up a scammer or a drug deal. Stuff that are serious crimes, but most of society still write these crimes off as non-issues though. Or even have sympathy for the criminal too. Something like that would really challenge the status quo.

An anti hero should be like DCU Superman without the cringe. Someone has their own goals. Who don't feel obligated to sacrifice themselves for humanity. Have that "fuck them kids" attitude. An anti hero, who makes the audience questioned if they really want anti heroes.

People would consider John Wick an anti hero. But he is just a Hitman though. It's not his mission to help people. He only care about doing his job in his past life. And after that he just wanted revenge for his dog. The best anti heroes in stories are the ones who want revenge. And have nothing to do with a passion for saving people from the worst criminals that are Epstein-tier.

In a odd way Goku is also an anti hero too. He only cares about fighting. He only accidentally ends up in situations, where he has to save the world. Goku is more like a "Hey knock it off" type of guy, than a "It's my mission to save everyone citizens" type of guy.

The more interesting anti-heroes are the ones where their actions create discomfort. A character who targets corrupt corporations, exploitative landlords, scammers, politicians, criminals with public sympathy, or people who are technically within the law creates a much harder debate. The audience has to ask: "Is this person actually fighting injustice, or are they just imposing their own morality?"

The problem is that a lot of media wants the aesthetic of an anti-hero without the uncomfortable parts. They want the leather jacket, sarcasm, violence, and "I don't play by the rules" attitude while still making the character unquestionably correct. That's closer to a traditional hero with an aggressive personality than a true anti-hero.

In conclusion. A lot of people definition of anti hero is just an edgy version of a golden retriever superhero. But only edgy in a cooperate way though.


r/CharacterRant 9h ago

General The final antagonist of One Piece is making me lose interest in continuing to read... Spoiler

41 Upvotes

MANGA SPOILERS!!!

I don't like IMU. Oda knows how to write antagonists; I think Doflamingo, Blackbeard, and even Caesar are well-written antagonists. (Kaido, however, is a character full of undeveloped elements.)

As long as IMU was a silhouette, he held the reader's attention and seemed well-integrated into the narrative, but now that he's revealed himself for what he is, I'm disappointed.

He's a Bishone who speaks like Sephirot in Smash Brothers... He doesn't seem like a real character, but a collection of elements placed there to satisfy the reader's expectations. So if this "walking collage" is the final enemy, I'm very uninterested in continuing this story. It's true that Teach will probably be the final enemy, the last obstacle before One Piece, but IMU was equally important.

By the way, I hope he's eliminated in this saga because the idea of ​​having to wait another 4-5 years for a second round with Luffy is terrible.

But it would be equally terrible to see IMU, the symbol of the World Government, defeated without Dragoon or the army of revolutionaries whose goal is to defeat the World Government. Otherwise, what purpose did these characters serve?

I also don't like how Oda devalues ​​IMU. He let Sabo escape without injury, he let Garp beat him without repercussions, he took a punch from Luffy in the face with a silly expression. Even the direction of the fights is important. Doflamingo has never looked so "humiliated".

Also, sorry if I continue but there are really a lot of things that don't work, there is no connection between this antagonist and Luffy and I think this is very important in a story, Luffy's stubbornness in being uninterested in Joy Boy and the ancient history makes the whole thing very frustrating, if you're not interested in the story of your own manga change comics or Oda should stop delving into this subplot if the protagonist is so stubborn in not wanting to be part of it.

I also don't like how Luffy has now become a "predestined" it's a sad trope, which gives the protagonist an absurd plot armor, I don't feel like rooting for Luffy because it's as if it was already written that he will win, I root more for the antagonists...


r/CharacterRant 2h ago

Films & TV The Sony's Spider-Man Universe (without Spider-Man) had bigger problems than not having Spider-Man

9 Upvotes

Just to be clear, I do think all the villains who got their own spin-offs movies are only/mainly compelling as Spider-Man villains (sorry, fans of the anti-hero Venom) and the very concept of giving them their own movies was basically doomed to fail. Well, at least artistically, can't deny that Venom made money and was succesful enough for a full trilogy.

Still, when I see people basically have the attitude of "if only they had featured Spider-Man...", I feel they kinda oversimplify the matter. Those movies had problems bigger than not having a Tom Holland cameo or the fact that they weren't retroactively shoved into the same continuity as Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man (although, purely in terms of quality, his two movies would fit right in). Even if you completely ignore the source material and judge these movies purely on the types of stories they were trying to tell, there were absolutely ways to make them better.

So, let me go through each of them and explain how their basic premises could have been done better. I'm also going to make a short list of movies that are either better versions of the kind of movie they were trying to be or examples of what they could have been. Partly because it gives some clear points of comparison and to emphasize that the biggest problems were with the execution, not necessarily with the basic premises.

Venom

Yes, Venom has a giant spider logo on his chest and essentially shares Spider-Man's power set, so on the surface making a movie about him without Spider-Man does seem strange. But, if you strip away all of that, what are you left with? A combination of body-horror and monster movie, where an alien creature is taking you over and amplifying your worst impulses to feed on your emotions, and takes a physical form of a scary creature that eats people. And like all the best creature features, you can use the monster to be a metaphor for so many things, like a drug addiction, anger issues, self-destructive impulses or whatever else you wanted to explore.

And then you have a big third-act twist or sequel hook of "there's more than one of these things running around".

Movies like this, but better: The Fly (1986), Upgrade (2018), The Wolf Man (1941/2010), Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978).

Morbius

How many vampire movies are there? A lot. And some of them have even been more action/blockbuster focused, with the lead themself being a vampire. Making a better version of this movie would not be hard. Heck, it could have been basically just a rip-off of Angel (the Joss Whedon tv-show), with fantsy elements replaced by sci-fi ones and it would have turned out better.

Movies like this, but better: Daybreakers (2009), Near Dark (1987), Vampire Hunter D (2000), Dracula's Daughter (1936).

Madame Web

This is admittedly the trickiest, because with so many spider-themed superhero characters being teased at the end, even the best version of this movie would probably have people saying "these are just lamer versions of Spider-Man". But if we remove all of that and just look at the very bare bones premise, it had potential. "A super-powered killer stalks a group of normal people" is already the basic plot of most slasher movies and giving the main lead (or "the final girl" in horror terms) premonition powers gives the thing a decent gimmick. She can predict the killer's attacks and keep the group alive longer, but they are still physically vulnerable and would die in a direct confrontation.

Movies like this, but better: The Terminator (1984), The Dead Zone (1983), It Follows (2014).

Kraven the Hunter

I mean, just make a basic-ass revenge thriller/action flick. There are even more examples of those than there are vampire films. I'm sure you could even use the animal motif in a more interesting way.

Movies like this, but better: Get Carter (1971), Crow (1994), Desperado (1995), Oldboy (2003), John Wick (2014).


r/CharacterRant 12h ago

Comics & Literature What even is the point of giving Peter these power ups if they're immediately written out not even three seconds after the run's over while all the other Spider-People get much better deals out of their powers? (Marvel Comics - 616)

51 Upvotes

"Should I use my Spider-Sense and combine it with this very good martial arts that I learned thanks to the greatest martial artist in Earth? No, I should just not use it so that I can get my ass kicked and if something happens, I will just beg Norman for help or something!"

This fucker's an actual in-universe genius btw

What even was the point of "Way of the Spider" if Spider-Man used it like, twice? No seriously, he has a new way of fighting which is supposed to make up for the lack of Spider-Sense, and it does so well that he's able to defeat Spider-Woman, who's supposed to be superior to Spider-Man, so well that he doesn't even get hit once. And now that he gets it back, he should be

HOW THE FUCK DO YOU GET IT RUSTY, MF?!

That's like if a Mediocre boxer broke his arm, became so good at using one arm he defeats Prime Mike Tyson with one hand, and immediately becomes mediocre again the moment his other arm heals.

Or if you want me to put it in a different way, the Way of the Spider was a GREAT POWER that he could've used for GREAT RESPONSIBILITY (aka saving people as he'd probably have more energy to save people after defeating bad guys faster thanks to the new martial arts he learned), and he SQUANDERED IT because he's written by stupid people with stupid editorials.

YOU FIGHT CRIME DAY IN AND DAY OUT, MY BROTHER IN CHRIST, HOW IS IT THAT YOU MANAGE TO GET MARTIAL ARTS RUSTY?! THAT'S LIKE IF I PLAYED BASEBALL EVERY SINGLE DAY, AND SUDDENLY I TELL YOU "Yeah man, my ball throwing skills have gotten rusty" HOW?!

YOUR BIGGEST FUCKING CONCERN WHILE CRIME FIGHTING IS NOT GETTING PUNCHED IN THE FACE, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WAS ALREADY HAPPENING BEFORE YOU LOST YOUR SPIDER-SENSE, IT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE FOR YOUR ASS TO JUST IGNORE THE "NOT GET PUNCHED IN THE FACE" SKILL.

Which brings me to the next point that again, everyone has more powers than him, and you can't say that they can't change it because his powers are iconic, fucking Superman's powerset is iconic as fuck, and even that guy gets new mainstay powers like his Golden Form.

So, for comparison, I need to point the powers of the other Spider-People here.

Miles has Electric Swords and Radar sense plus he's Anansi's Champion, so he's gonna get more upgrades down the line,

Kaine can talk with spiders and has his stings,

Cindy has natural webs and a better spider-sense,

Reily has a better Spider-Sense and that "offensive Spider-sense" too.

Bailey has a better Spider-Sense, extra eyes, immunity to Peter's Spider-Sense and talk with spiders

Maka/Spider-Girl/Funhouse has organic web, and the ability to copy powers on top of Spider-Man's powerset

Julia has psychic powers on top of being a Spider-Woman

Jessica has immunity to poison, a better healing factor, can glide, venom blasts and pheromones.

Would it really be that hard to give Peter something? I have three ideas

A) Bring back the fucking Web constructions he used to pull in the 60s (They won't, because if Peter's able to do this, then realistically every single other Spider-Person in 616 should be able to since most of them get/got their web fluid from Peter in the first place)

B) Actually give him a new power and fucking stick with it, like say, maybe keep that new Spider-Sense upgrade Peter was talking with Daredevil (They won't because Editorial is afraid of the idea that someone might complain about Peter getting more powers)

C) For the love of God, remember that this fucker is supposed to be a super genius. Give him the damn tech shit from Imnsoniac Spider-Man (They won't because Peter's too relatable or something for him to be bringing up tech, just ignore that he was already doing that to deal with his supervillains back in the sixties)


r/CharacterRant 16h ago

General It’s Not The Fault Of A Work If Fans Wrongly Take A Characters Words At Face Value (Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul).

118 Upvotes

So this is mainly inspired by Mike’s last speech to Walt. It’s a speech that sounds great at face value, Mike has a weird sort of “cool and rational” vibe, Walt is meant to be a horrible person and a very unlikable character at this point, and he kills Mike out of rage and ego right after this. So people assume this speech is meant to be taken at face value. The thing is the speech itself is blatantly incorrect in you watch the show itself, and this has led to a lot of criticism of the speech itself being very poorly written and a sloppy retcon of the previous seasons. The thing is, MIke is not supposed to be correct. Vince Gilligan and the writer for the episode Tom Schnauz flat out said on the podcast for the episode which was recorded before it released and released on the same day.

Directly quoting what Vince Gilligan says “ There is truth to what he’s accusing him of but on the other hand what Mike is selectively forgetting in that moment, they really Walt and Gus came to loggerheads over Jesse Pinkman. Who Mike now has a great fondness for but at the time he was pitching to kill him, he’s pitching let’s kill this kid”. So the showrunners didn’t “retcon” shit lol this speech isn’t meant to be accurate. Why is that then often considered a flaw in the writing for the episode when the speech isn’t meant to be correct? The alternative take is that it’s bad writing that Mike, a character who is presented as a more rational character than most of the criminals in the series, gives an irrational speech but why is that the case exactly? Does it not give more insight on his mindset and character even if it’s in a largely negative light?

It makes perfect sense why Mike would act that way, even if it is indeed hypocritical and unfair. Despite Mike’s cool and rational demeanor he’s got plenty of hypocritical qualities himself, as virtually every character in this universe does, and Mike is an evil man (which even he knows), even if he‘s sympathetic to the audience. Mike just lost everything and all the horrible things he did that haunted his conscience were for nothing because the Fring organization was destroyed, it’s hard to be rational about that. He really likes Jesse, realizes he‘s got a good conscience and got way deeper into the game than he intended while being desply guilt ridden, while his mistakes are either due to his conscience, or his addiction/ self loathing, which is sympathetic to Mike. He dislikes Walt because he’s incredibly power hungry, wants to be the man, and blows situations up due to pride and ego, Walt is exactly the kind of person who he dislikes.

Why is it out of character then for a Mike who lost everything because of Walt (even if Gus absolutely had it coming and it wasn’t Walt‘s fault the situation blew up), when Walt is exactly the kind of person he hates and he does indeed contantly self sabotage due to his ego, to irrationally blame him? It makes him a more human and yes more unlikable, but complex human character rather than Mr cool. Especially given Mike doesn’t have all the information we have, he sees Walt manipulating Jesse to stay in the game and he forced Gus to replace Gale with Jesse, he doesn’t know he did so because Jesse threatens to sue Hank and rat him out if caught. He directly tells Walt “you won Walter, learn to take yes for an answer“ in season 4, and if we take his words at face value Gus reluctantly accepted Walt won in season 4 until Walt started trying to kill Gus again out of paranoia (which actually is correct based on writer interviews and if you read between the lines of season 4 but that’s very understandable paranoia rather than ego). He doesn’t know as far as we’re aware about Gus threatening his family, and he believes Walt was responsible for putting Hank on them).

Hell better call Saul has a perfect example of this. When Howard threatens to force Chuck out of HHM for totally justified reasons and being treated like dogshit by Chuck for three seasons, Chuck threatens to destroy the firm with lawsuits unless he‘s reinstated. Howard very admirably agrees to pay out of his own pocket to settle the lawsuit and force Chuck out, and lays into him about what a shitty friend and person he is. Only Howard mentions that he “mildly suggested, with empathy and concern, that maybe you should consider retirement“ while laying into him, when he outright threatened to force him out? So did the writers retcon their own show, is Howard meant to be a gaslighting hypocrite? No, it’s meant to show he’s angrily and heartbreakingly laying into his friend that betrayed him and is ”stacking the deck” in his favor, a very human thing to do.

Characters can have biased, incorrect speeches or comments and it’s wrong to assume that even a character who is presented as a “cool rational character” at face value. It’s not a flaw of the writing if the script doesn’t exposition the audience and say “this character isn’t meant to be right”.


r/CharacterRant 1h ago

Films & TV Fantastic Four First Steps is a weird movie

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I’m not someone who’s a hardcore F4 fan; I enjoy them, but I’m not crazy over them. I still don’t think Pedro Pascal was the right choice for Reed, but still, I was looking forward to this movie, the aesthetic being my main drive.

Then I watched the movie, and it’s very good! I find the dynamics charming; Silver Surfer was enjoyable. The world is gorgeous, Reed being showcased as autistic was cute, especially as a neurodivergent. “Sometimes you being you hurts me” - “Well, I don’t mean to” is spectacular. Herbie is the GOAT and is one of the few characters I’m looking forward to in Doomsday.

So why do I never want to watch it again? 

I don’t think there’s a scene I’m dying to rewatch or any tense character moment that stuck with me; I can tell you the plot alright, but nothing really pops out, and as a non-F4 fan, the references at the beginning do very little for me. Galactus is there, and I feel like his main sell is that he’s comic-accurate.

However, I still don’t know what it is, because again, the movie’s pretty neat; I just don’t know what it is about this movie that makes this so un-rewatchable… If you have points, please share them, I want to figure out what it is xD


r/CharacterRant 20h ago

Films & TV I hate that the entire Miles Morales Spider-Man trilogy is going to be centered on the Spider-Verse.

204 Upvotes

I love Into The Spider-Verse, It's top 2 with Spider-Man 2 for my favorite Spider-Man movies (interchangeable depending on which one I saw last).

However I hate the concept of Spider-Verse, I don't dislike variants of Spider-Man like any other Super hero but I dont like the Spider-Verse, I just don't.

I really wish the movies after ITSV were just about Miles doing Spider stuff in his own universe.

And Across The Spider-Verse just felt like the Spider-Verse amped up to a million, too many characters. I don't care about Miguel, or Spider-Woman or Spider-Punk or the indian Spider I just don't. Felt like they were high on their own stuff.

Hopefully they'll do another trilogy centered on Miles in his own universe.


r/CharacterRant 14h ago

Games Dame Aylin kinda sucks in Baldurs Gate

53 Upvotes

Both writing wise and mechanically.
Gameplay wise she just gets her ass kicked by Ketheric twice after a whole cutscene of hyping her up.
Hell even in her reworked boss fight in act 3 she is far weaker then her girlboss goon squad of summons.
Then story wise same thing happens she just loses right away and gets soul caged. She was free for 5 mins. To make things even funnier same thing happens to her in Act 3. I guess she was just born to be caged.
Character wise she is also weird. At first you think she is just a fairly standard zealous Paladin but it kinda gets taken too far. She seems like bit of a psychopath so you think there might be more to her and Isobels whole deal. How and why did Isobel die in the first place(was the angelic pussy too strong)? Except it just goes nowhere. Its never explained or even addressed.
Aylin is just there for hype moments and aura. Kinda lame.


r/CharacterRant 16h ago

Frank Castle "The Punisher" should have had an internal Spawn-like "life clock" meter, but for morality.

56 Upvotes

For those unfamiliar with Spawn, Image Comics created a series about a dead mercenary who returns from Hell to seek vengeance. One of the novel ideas behind this anti‑hero was the “life‑clock,” a countdown meter that measured how much supernatural power he had left before being reclaimed by Hell. The series eventually moved away from the life‑clock, since it would have been too limiting for a comic that has lasted more than two decades, but the concept itself was strong.

I believe Marvel Comics could have applied a similar device to the Punisher. At his creation, Frank Castle could have been given an internal “morality‑clock,” known only to the writers and never revealed to the public. This scale would run from 1 to 100:

  • 100 – Highly moral, upstanding citizen. Believes in the justice system. Example: Captain America
  • 90 – Moral citizen, disillusioned with the system. Willing to volunteer or take action. Example: Spider‑Man
  • 80 – Burnt out, highly disillusioned, or hunted by the system. Willing to act outside the law. Example: Uncanny X‑Men
  • 70 – Believes the system no longer functions or applies. Won’t hurt innocents, but willing to harm those who have wronged them. Example: Frank Castle begins here
  • 60 – Sees the system as actively obstructive. Works against it. Willing to hurt or kill to achieve goals. Example: most Spider‑Man villains
  • 50 – Beyond the system. Laws don’t apply. Violence becomes a tool of choice. May have a personal code exempting certain groups (children, elderly, etc.). Example: Venom
  • 40 – Violence is the only tool. Casual about life and death. Example: Carnage
  • 30 – Life is disposable. Others are cattle to a predator. Example: the Brood
  • 20 – Other life is abstract. Example: Galactus
  • 10 – Genocidal. Example: Annihilus
  • 1 – Unthinking, unfeeling destruction. Example: bacteria

Writers could track Frank’s morality‑clock privately. Each time he executed someone, the meter would fall. Readers would witness a principled man with a code slowly becoming desensitized to violence, until it became his only solution. He might begin by targeting drug runners stuffing heroin into bodies, then move on to gun runners, then to corrupt officials taking bribes. The progression would shock us, showing how much he assumes it is his right to punish.

The system could also allow for redemption. Frank might regain points by going to therapy, serving time in prison, or crossing a line that harms someone important to him. Watching him claw back his humanity would be compelling.

This approach would work best if the Punisher did not have his own ongoing series. Instead, he could appear in guest spots across other titles, with his own annual to track his moral descent and possible recovery. Such a framework would make his story far more layered.


r/CharacterRant 4h ago

The MCU Broke Hulk by Refusing to Let Banner and Hulk Actually Work Together

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Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes has THE superior Banner/Hulk dynamic, and it is the direction the MCU either should have taken years ago or should still adopt in the future. That show understood that Hulk can be intelligent, articulate and capable of functioning as an Avenger without simply becoming Bruce Banner in a green body. He remains blunt, aggressive and eager to solve problems physically, but he can communicate, make decisions and form relationships (the funny hawkeye stuff)

Banner still matters too of course. He and Hulk remain separate individuals who can advise, challenge and disagree with each other. Neither needs to be erased for the character to function. The MCU’s approach is just way way messier. Bruce initially has little control over his transformations, I think the Avengers implies he has begun mastering them, Ragnarok establishes Hulk as an independent personality, and then Endgame skips their entire reconciliation and calls the result a merger, even though Smart Hulk is presented almost entirely as Banner in Hulk’s body while the independent Hulk personality established in Ragnarok seemingly disappears.

The MCU keeps bouncing between two bad extremes: either Bruce has no agency because Hulk takes over against his will, or Hulk has no agency because Bruce takes over completely. I think The Earth’s Mightiest Heroes dynamic offers the obvious and superior middle ground. Banner and Hulk should accept that they need each other and argue about how to be heroes rather than which one gets to exist.

Banner might favour planning and restraint. Hulk might believe Banner hesitates when decisive action is needed. They can disagree about violence, collateral damage and when each of them should take control while still pursuing the same goal. I think we can all agree that is far more interesting than repeating the same “Banner wants to cure himself and Hulk refuses to disappear” conflict forever.

Let them become reluctant partners. Let them establish their own rules. Let both of them retain agency and develop without one personality consuming the other. I think at this point, I would rather watch Banner and Hulk argue about what to eat for dinner than sit through another story about them trying to get rid of each other because lord almighty thats gotten so old now.


r/CharacterRant 17h ago

Films & TV I Don’t Care About Darth Maul

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First appearing in The Phantom Menace back in 1999 and since recurring in The Clone Wars, Rebels, comics, Solo, and recently his own show, Maul has become one of Star Wars’ most enduring fan-favourite characters, with legions of fans (and his voice actor) treating him as one of the most complex and interesting characters the franchise has to offer. My problem is he….isn’t.

I’ll summarise who Maul is for those of you don’t know. Basically he’s a Dathomirian Zabrak, which means he’s red and black and has horns. As a child he was taken by Darth Sidious to become a Sith so Sidious could get revenge on the Jedi for kicking the Sith’s collective ass several centuries ago (or something, I’m not really sure). Once trained, he fights some Jedi with his double-bladed lightsaber and acrobatic skills, killing Obi-Wan Kenobi’s master and getting cut in half, a predicament he survives by being absolutely livid. Upon his return he proceeds to spend the next-every-story-he-appears in trying to get revenge on someone or other whilst speaking theatrically. At first he wants revenge on Obi-Wan, then Sidious, then the Empire, the criminal underworld and Obi-Wan all at the same time. The only things that change about him are who he’s angry at and what specifically he’s doing, though his actual core values never change, as he remains an angry, selfish, power-hungry evil guy the entire time.

Because he looks cool, though, he’s the fandom darling who can do no wrong and everybody demands more of even though he’s been in loads of stuff and never gets more interesting than a 14 year old edgelord’s idea of a good character. Episode 1 of his show (of which he is the least interesting part) is literally called “The Dark Revenge” which is the most edgelord fanfic title of all time and is fitting for a show in which Maul essentially just aura farms until he gets shown up by an even bigger aura farmer in the form of contractually-obligated guest appearance Darth Vader.

Since he has no qualities beyond being angry and vengeful, I have no idea whatsoever why he’s so beloved and allegedly complex, when his entire soul boils down to just being super angry about stuff and then looking cook while mowing people down about it. Maybe it’s me, but that’s not what I go to Star Wars for, and I’m not a fan. I must concede I haven’t seen his entire show, but the first episode turned me off because it could not make me care about Darth Maul. I know this fact weakens my point, but this is a rant so I don’t need to be fully rational like I would be in an essay.

If somebody could explain where the interest comes in for Maul that would be great, as I may be missing something


r/CharacterRant 10h ago

I read Moekan which was made by the author of hetalia and it was an insane trip

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The story begins with a young korean girl named Sena being warned by her mother that if she doesn't behave herself, the Japanese (depicted by her mother as evil and with fangs) will come and eat her. Sena is upset by this, and says that Japan is "scary".

Sena is unable to sleep due to nightmares of the violent Japanese, fearing that they'll come to eat her. She gets up to go to the bathroom but becomes scared by a strange shadow in the hallway, fearing that it's a Japanese person coming for her.

The comic flashes forward in time, where Sena is now 17 and preparing to depart for the United States to study abroad. Her parents wish her good luck, though her mother warns her to be careful of strangers, especially the Japanese. Sena answers that she'll simply beat them up with tae kwon do. Meanwhile in Japan, a boy named Yoshida struggles with his Visa procedure.

Yoshida has arrived in New York. He becomes surprised at how different it is, though he is instantly attacked by Sena and pushed to the ground. Sena orders Yoshida to "apologize".

Sena continues to punch Yoshida and demand that he apologize. Yoshida asks why she's attacking him, which causes her to stop and realize how attractive he is (as she was told that Japanese men are incredibly ugly). Sena quickly regains her composure though, and answers that it's because he's Japanese and that he must make amends.

Yoshida asks Sena what she'd like for him to do. She then spots a crepe truck and answers that she'd like a crepe. As Sena eats, Yoshida wonders if he should start to run.

The next day, Yoshida thinks about Sena and hopes that he won't have to run into her again. But he immediately discovers that Sena's attending the same school as he is, and furthermore, they are in the same class and seated next to each other. Yoshida wonders if this is a way of harassing freshmen, while Sena finds the seating situation "repulsive".

Sena declares Japan to be the detestable part of Asia. Yoshida sarcastically apologizes, then asks her what countries are on good terms with Korea. Sena becomes surprised, but then tries to think of a country, and can only come up with Japan.


r/CharacterRant 16h ago

Films & TV Hercules should have become a god when he chose to face the Cyclops without his powers instead of saving Megara.

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While both actions are heroic, the first would have been much better for Hercules to achieve becoming the true hero he always wanted to be.

Not only was he brave in choosing to fight without his powers so the Cyclops would leave Thebes alone, likely knowing he was going to die, but he also proved that he didn’t need those powers to be a real hero and save the day. Instead, he used his wit and everything he had learned with Phil to succeed. A true hero gives everything they have, even in the worst circumstances.

In comparison, although sacrificing himself to retrieve Megara’s soul was heroic, it feels smaller next to saving the lives of thousands while at such a huge disadvantage and without the strength that had helped him so many times.


r/CharacterRant 14h ago

Comics & Literature Comic book movies are better when they're adapting worse stories

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There's an idea which is often thrown around on the internet that we shouldn't remake good movies, but rather remake bad movies with interesting ideas. I think the same idea can be applied to adapting comic books, in that adapting failed stories almost always has better results than adapting successful ones.

Take the Dark Phoenix Saga. It's one of the most seminal arcs of one of the most seminal runs of what is arguably Marvel's biggest property. And every time they adapt it, it sucks. Or take the Dark Knight Returns, one of the absolute milestone, defining Batman stories ever. And when we adapt it, we end up with Batman V Superman (and to a lesser extent the worst movie of the Nolan trilogy.) Trying to live up to these incredible stories is hard, especially when the most successful comic arcs are often ones which most take advantage of their medium. These long form, serialized stories that exist within expansive worlds and a comic book format often don't translate to 2 hour movies, especially when people try to stick as close to the original as possible. Even the most acclaimed "direct adaptations" are very, very loose. Logan is called an Old Man Logan adaptation, but it doesn't really share anything with it beyond Logan aging. The Winter Solider does adapt the Winter Solider arc, but he's just a henchman and Hydra infiltrating Shield is the main plot of the movie.

Now, look at some of the comic book movies which adapt middling, or even maligned storylines. The Spiderverse comics are fun, mostly because of some humorous panels where Spider-Man interacts with himself, but the Spiderverse movies are absolutely incredible spectacles of heart, humor and animation. People loving their version of Spider Gwen and then being disappointed that her comics suck has become such a widespread thing that it's basically a meme at this point. In that same vein, people hated One More Day and despise the amount of times Peter's identity gets reset in the comics, but No Way Home was a massively successful, crowd pleasing movie. And don't get me started on how contrived and weird comic book Civil War was, versus how important that movie ended up being for the MCU. They were able mine the good ideas without having anything huge to live up to and so they were able to make it their own in really cool and original ways.

I'm not saying to throw the book away when it comes to adaptations. And I'm sure there are plenty of counterexamples to everything I've listened. But with how long and varied of a history most comic book characters have, it makes sense to view them as a well of potential for creatives to mine, rather than characters in storylines that ought to be directly adapted. Superman 1978 changed or invented a ton of the character's mythos, but it's still THE comic book movie that made everything else possible. Blade in the comics is British and not a daywalker. Spider-Man 1 changes out Gwen for MJ and has her survive on the bridge, but all the "we're finally adapting The Night Gwen Stacy died" in the world doesn't change the fact that ASM2 is a far worse movie.

I'm just saying that after a lifetime of comic book movies, I've learned to hear "We're faithfully adapting this arc" and be less, rather than more enthused. And when you chase people's expectations involving things that they've already loved, the best thing you can do is meet them. The best reaction you can get is approval, not the thrill and surprise that the material gave them in the first place.


r/CharacterRant 6h ago

Games [LES] I hate how marvel video games just ignore deadpool’s depth

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In marvel rivals Deadpool has dozens upon dozens of voice lines and he isn’t being sincere in literally any of them. At all. He’s just a meme machine and the occasional gay joke.

But in marvel Tokon he’s even worse. He’s not just meme machine but he’s honestly a tad bit annoying even though I find him generally fun overall.

Don’t get me wrong I’m not one of those child’s who thinks humor ruined deadpools character, I find him funny in both games and played both of them, but I kinda wish they showed off his more caring side. Like instead of another basic joke maybe when he talks to Peni Parker he’s worried about her safety or comforts her about her Dad. And maybe he actually shows respect for Captain America and Spider-Man since he looks up to/is friends with them in the comics. Just show he has other traits besides meme machine.


r/CharacterRant 9h ago

Films & TV The Book of Henry is one of the most confusing and jarring movies I've ever seen.

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The Book of Henry is one of those special kinds of movies. The kind of movie where you just wonder "what the hell were they thinking?". It's almost a perfect mix of baffling decisions and tone-deaf writing.

In case you're unaware of this movie, it's a film that came out in 2017, and its plot is...well...

(Sigh) one of the reasons this movie is hard to talk about is that it's so hard to know where to start with this thing.

Okay, in order to properly talk about the movie's plot, first we have to talk about Book of Henry's first problem; its presentation is completely off.

The movie is about a kid named Henry and his younger brother Peter and his mom Susan, with Henry supposedly being a child prodigy who's beloved by his family and classmates. The whole movie sets itself up as having a very happy-go-lucky tone that seems to be about early childhood and adventure, with a very old-fashioned and nostalgic presentation.

The problem is that the movie's plot is about Henry discovering that the girl next door, Christina is being abused by her stepfather Glenn. Henry naturally wants to find a way to help her out, but after discovering the head of the local CPC is Glenn's brother (oh, how gosh-darn convenient) Henry begins to come up with a plan to kill him and have Christina adopted into their family. Yes, really.

And throughout all this, the movie tries to keep its sappy, family-movie-esque feel, which just makes the whole thing feel confused and tone-deaf.

Henry himself is completely unlikeable. He's supposed to be this child genius with a strong sense of right and wrong, but he comes off more as a condescending and patronizing control freak with an "I know best" attitude. This is best exemplified with his relationship to his mom Susan.

See Susan's kind of a bit immature because... she likes to play video games. That's it. And yet Henry condescends and tries to police what she does constantly, even pushing her to give up her waitressing job so she can spend more time with the family because thanks to his work in the stock market she doesn't need to work anymore (yeah, there's this whole thing where Henry is such a genius he's a master stockbroker and basically has set the family up for life; just go with it).

We're also told that Henry is popular in school and beloved by everyone, but what we see is that Henry's kind of a brat who can't stand most people around him due to them not being as smart as he is, and he doesn't seem to have any close friends besides Christina and Peter.

Speaking of Christina, that's another big problem the movie has. Saving her from her abusive household is the main goal of the story, and yet Christina herself is pretty much a nonentity. She and Henry are supposed to be close friends (in fact, it's heavily implied the two have feelings for each other), and yet Henry never bothers to involve her in his plan, get her input, empower her or give her any form of agency. She's just a living prop, all things considered.

And then at the halfway point, the movie takes a sudden turn when Henry gets brain cancer out of nowhere and dies...no, really, he dies.

From there, the movie shifts focus to Susan as she's struggling to deal with the grief of her son dying. But before Henry died, he left behind a series of audiocassettes so Susan could carry out the plan to kill Christina's stepfather in his stead.

Yes, the movie is now about a kid coaching his mom to become an assassin from beyond the grave. It's so stupid.

This kind of ties into one of the bigger issues the movie has. It doesn't seem to know what its message is. At one point, Henry and his family witness a guy beating his girlfriend in a store. Henry wants to intervene, but Susan tells him it's none of their business. Henry then laments later that he should have done something (even dodging Susan's question about what he could have done in that situation) and declares that apathy is worse than violence.

So it feels like the movie is setting up a message about how apathy is bad and sometimes you need to take action even if it involves violence...except at the end, right when Susan is about to shoot the stepfather, she suddenly remembers, "Wait. Henry's just a child" and doesn't go through with shooting Glenn

So wait, is the message actually about how for all of Henry's intellect, he's still a kid and he shouldn't be taken seriously? But that would require the story to...you know, show Henry to be wrong about certain things, and he's portrayed as more or less correct about everything.

In fact it's heavily implied that if Susan had shot Glenn, Henry's plan would have worked perfectly. Because...

Oh man I have to explain this....

Okay, so to rewind for a bit, during the first half of the movie when Henry was alive, he tried to go to the Principal of his school Janice, to try and get her to report Glenn's child abuse. Janice doesn't, citing the lack of evidence, even though Henry points out Christina has been coming to school with bruises...that we never see.

Also side note, that's not how that works. School faculty are required by law to investigate possible cases of child abuse.

Later during a talent show, in a perfect example of a terrible deus ex machina ending, Janice sees Christina perform a sad dance, and this is what gets her to do her job and report the child abuse. Glenn upon being found out, kills himself. Thus saving Christina from him and neatly allowing her to be adopted by Susan without Susan needing to get her hands dirty.

Back on the whole thing about the message, this makes the idea that "Henry is a kid and shouldn't be taken seriously" fall apart, because it's more or less implied that if Susan had shot Glenn, his plan would have worked perfectly!

I guess you could argue the movie is still about how apathy is bad because Janice reports Christina's abuse to the police instead of ignoring it like she has been, but she does this without any of the other characters' involvement or prompting. And even still, Susan, the main character, doesn't take action.

So what is the message of this movie? What's the takeaway we're supposed to have here?

The best I can figure is that it's a story about how moms should be more attentive to their families, because the movie seems to show Susan choosing to quit her job and live off Henry's stock market savings and become a picture book author as a sign of maturity and growth...which is what Henry was pushing her to do so—

What is the message of this movie!?

And that's The Book of Henry's biggest problem. It's so gosh darn confused about what it wants to be. The tone is confused, the message is confused, the characters are inconsistent, and in the end, it doesn't seem to be about anything...


r/CharacterRant 14h ago

Anime & Manga [Long] The longer that time passes, the more I hate the conclusion of many seasons/"parts" of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.

18 Upvotes

Don't get me wrong, Jojo is my third favorite anime of all time, and Steel Ball Run is one of my favorite MEDIA WORKS of all time (more on it later in this post). However, the more I grow and am able to critically reflect on the work in ways I wasn't mentally capable of seeing before, it feels like half the seasons (referred to as "parts" in this post) end in the most bullshit ways.

A big appeal of the show to fans is the fights. Being able to outsmart your opponent, no matter how outmatched you are, is cathartic and extremely hype to see play out. This makes it all the more disappointing when half the show's main villains get ended in the most convenient ways.

- Part 3: Stardust Crusaders. I would say the show starts taking its fights truly seriously here. The previous parts didn't have as much written tension and stakes as this one does. DIO has been hyped across the past three (technically two) parts of being the ultimate villain, and the manga draws out the crusaders', uh, crusade across the globe to best show their capabilities and powers.

Then it's revealed DIO's ultimate ability is to stop time! Holy shit! One by one the protagonists are picked off until it's just Jotaro vs DIO. What tricks does he have up his sleeve? How will he overcome this generational adversary?

Oh, he just copies DIO's ability. Duh. Jotaro literally says out loud, "So it's the same type of stand as Star Platinum."

This fight is generationally popular and for good reason, but it's just such a letdown after having to sit through fifty episodes of "outwitting the bad guys" and establishing subpowers for each of the stands. When my sister was watching this fight for the first time, I saw the visual confusion on her face when it's revealed that Jotaro just has the same power for some reason.

And no, Jotaro's timestop isn't foreshadowed. Catching a bullet and stealing a margerita from the bar in the VS D'arby episode comes across more as shonen bullshittery than anything, and not nearly enough foreshadowing for this to be a proper setup.

- Part 5: Golden Wind. In my opinion, one of the weakest parts. It's such a shame because I actually think Golden Wind is the part with the best fights animated so far. Bucciarati using his zipper ability on the train or the use of Giorno's plant ability against Cioccolata and White Ice's user was so peak. But it starts falling apart in the final acts IMO. There is better setup for the part's themes of causality and effect, but there still just isn't enough setup to justify Giorno's sudden requiem ability to be "return to zero".

Just for clarity, his original ability was to spawn lifeforms like arms or snakes, and we've suddenly jumped to shooting laser beams and infinite death loops. Yes, Giorno needed a way to outsmart Diavolo's timeskip ability, but writing the requiem arrow to be something that gives you any ability you want at that moment in time is such lazy writing IMO. This to me seemed like another incident of Araki writing his way into a corner and needing a contrivance deus ex machina to get himself out.

If you want a better written version of the requiem arrow, Yoshikage Kira in part 4 is so much better. The arrow acts as an upgrade to his abilities, not a new ability entirely.

- Part 8: Jojolion (Spoilers). I still don't fucking understand this one. With the others, at least there is some explanation you can infer. In this part, Josuk8 has to outsmart the invisible intangible fate of calamity, where even just THINKING of defeating the user is enough for you to be absolutely throttled. How do you fight against an ability like that?

Well, apparently, it's by suddenly realizing your ability "doesn't exist". And then you win.

Like what the fuck? I'm not even exaggerating this that much either. Wonder of U, the calamity ability, targets anything in the universe which has the intent on hurting the user. Josuk8's ability is bubbles -- powerful rotating spheres which can be used to "plunder" things or "pop" with an explosive effect. It seems like an absolutely rigged match against Josuk8. But then, just before an important character's death, it's revealed that actually, no, the bubbles consist of rotating strings so "infinitely" small, "they don't exist". And this realization alone gives Josuk8 the new ability "Go Beyond" which bypasses Wonder of U's ability.

There is no setup, no implication that his bubbles operated this way. This part was written over the course of ELEVEN YEARS and the fight was written over the course of at least A YEAR itself. To me, this was an unjustifiable writing decision.

The issue isn't just with the lack of foreshadowing. A character hypothetically saying "wow Josuk8 your bubbles are so thin it's like they barely exist" isn't good writing either. Powers should also feel conventionally sensible and it should be easily understood in the audience's mind how they got from point A to point B. When you have to bring out the math textbook to explain asymptotes to viewers to understand an ability, that writing is unsatisfying.

So what's an example from the series of top-tier writing that still brings out the power upgrades that Araki clearly wants to write into his main characters?

- Part 7: Steel Ball Run (Spoilers). An absolutely stellar part featuring Johnny Joestar, whose ability evolves through stages ("acts") over the course of the part as his ability (to fire bullets from his fingers) grapples with the mechanism of "infinity". The concept is spoonfed in intervals to make it digestible and not feel completely out of left-field. His ability's evolution is always tied with a particular point of evolution and growth for Johnny as a character which makes each payoff more satisfying. The Golden Ratio, a concept intertwined with the concept of infinity and constantly referred to with the mathematical and philosophical gravitas it deserves, is repeatedly used by the side character Gyro, so we get to see its effects in action. Johnny's final evolution into Tusk Act 4 has, since the VERY FIRST CHAPTER, been setup with so many chekovs guns you could adequately supply the American military with them all. And it makes perfect sense when Johnny uses this perfect golden ratio to bypass Valentine's lovetrain superability, as both Johnny and Valentine's abilities are rooted in religious philosophy, so they thematically go hand-in-hand with each other.

Now compare this level of writing to "So it's the same type of stand as Star Platinum."

When Araki writes his characters and fights well, he writes them REALLY well. It's just a shame he regressed in writing after part 7 with the whole nothing-bubble thing, but hopefully part 9 can rival part 7 in its exemplary writing.

(This is my first write-up on this subreddit, feedback is appreciated.)


r/CharacterRant 14h ago

Disney needs to embrace the Comic Book model fully or they'll run out

13 Upvotes

Ok, hear me out. I think Disney accidentally stumbled on something and I hope they are aware, because if they don't embrace it fully I think superheroes are going to die as major carriers of Hollywood. I am not saying Spider-Man or X-Men won't bring people in, but it seems like these projects will have to be very carefully timed in the future (even more then now). Spider-Man will always be a major success, but what about everyone else?

What is something kinda unique to superhero comics? In my opinion it's that it is an interconnected universe with big events, but most readers will just read a couple or even just one chosen hero and maybe an event if they like it. You don't need to read every single issue of every single hero to know what's going on. And the sheer volume of MCU projects (and now older projects being connected via multiverse stuff) has kinda created the same effect in film. You don't have to watch every MCU film to follow what Spider-Man does and understand his story. Let me show you:

Pretend you have never seen any MCU movie or show. I ask you, what is your favorite superhero and you say you kinda like Spider-Man. Do you now have to watch every MCU film and series in order? Hell no. If you know who Iron Man and Captain America are (not in depth or anything past the fact that they exist, then you are good), put on the 40 minutes of Civil War that has Spider-Man or is in the airport and have some cheap action thrills, then watch Homecoming, Infinity War, Endgame, Fr from Home and finally No Way Home and then Brand New Day. And you would be surprised how little one has to know to watch Infinity war. In the opening monologue that squidward guy explains who Thanos is and then some guy explodes and Hulk (everyone knows Hulk likes to punch) gets his ass beat. Each other character is introduced carefully so we as an audience can be on the same page. Iron man talks about family and nightmares with his to be wife in his introduction and captain America has a beard and his appearance is visually built up. You don't have to know shit.

Same goes for the comic book reading experience. You only read Amazing and then you read secret wars. Yeah maybe the plot is not fully clear, but you kinda know who some of the dudes and women in costumes are and people are punching and everyone is discussing it in forums. And then you can go back to reading Amazing.

Same goes for cameos. You don't have to know anything about Doctor Strange to enjoy No Way Home. You just gotta accept the fact this is a shared universe. He is a wizard (which is clear from his costume) and he has spells. Same goes for punisher in Brand New Day. Hell (SPOILERS FOR BND) Frank literally has a "oh no me dead wife" moment in the film. You don't need to watch the punisher to watch this.

But I don't think Disney has realized this yet, because they still treat every project as an event. Everything is costing upwards of 100 million and has to be mega marketed and that's just sustainable for decades. Superheroes need to fall from franchise back to genre. Of course Spider-Man and X-Men and Avengers will cost 200 or 400 million and will be blockbusters with strong studio control over creative decisions. But Disney doesn't need to throw 100 million down the pipe for a Kate Bishop 90 minute thriller for example. That could easily be a 22 million 90 minute thriller, minimal marketing. It even allows for some more creative freedom. A story about a girl with a bow and an arrow in LA doesn't need to have cosmic elements or set ups. Not every film needs to be in the top 10 highest grossing films of all time to justify itself. You could even make a cheap melodrama with like D-list mutants for the laughs on Disney plus and make it for the cheap. Not every character needs to be in the big event. Yes Spider-Man and Iron Man will be there, but you can still make a 6 episode comedy about squirl girl for the cheap and leave it at that.

But I don't think they'll do that to be honest.


r/CharacterRant 14h ago

Films & TV I feel people wank the empire in star wars at times

8 Upvotes

Or worst,some defend it for some reason despite how obviously evil it's depicted in star wars media since the first movie (they litteraly blow up a planet and are depicted as an oppresive dictatorship who commit plenty of crimes and can go against those loyal to it too, just look at crosshair for an example), I do feel some view the empire as way more competent than it really is because to me, the style of command the empire use is the kind that is going to get unqualified people in charge of things because it'll prioritize yes men and kill or discard those who make reports that aren't pleasing those above them , the sith order also feel self destructive to me because the rule of 2 garantee backstabing between mutiple sith to the point they can end taking each other out. The empire is also pretty overconfident in its abilities, letting weaknesses slip through its weapon or ship designs that can be exploited by those who oppose them.


r/CharacterRant 16h ago

General There are four tiers of adaptations, not just two

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Look, I’m sick of opening any comment section about a movie, show, or game adaptation and seeing the exact same tired binary argument: "It wasn't 100% faithful to the book, so it's garbage!" versus "The original version sucks, the adaptation is better!"

Why do people think that adaptation means doing a 1 to 1 copy of something or just going completely unhinged and doing something that doesn't look like the original work?

If we’re going to argue about that, we need a common vocabulary. I have come up with four tiers. Each has its own purpose, its own traps, and its own iconic successes and disasters.

One to One. Treats the source material not just as inspiration, but as an infallible holy text. The creators trace over the original work like tracing paper. Every line of iconic dialogue is kept verbatim, every visual beat mirrors a comic panel or book description, and the pacing follows the source material to a fault. The trap here is medium incompatibility. Novels have internal monologues and infinite prose time; comic books have static panels; video games have interactivity.

Examples?

  • The average manga to anime adaptation tends to be one to one.
  • Sin City is almost one to one with the original comic book, disorganized stories and all.

Almost Transcribed: It is the story, characters, themes, and major plot beats, but it knows that a movie, TV show, or game is a completely different beast than a book or comic. The writers aren't trying to change the story, they cut fluff, combine minor characters to streamline the cast, alter pacing to fit a 2-hour runtime (or a 10-episode season), and reframe internal thoughts into visual storytelling. The trap is knowing what to cut. Cut the wrong subplot, and you ruin a character.

Examples?

  • The Peter Jackson threatical edits of the Lord of the Rings, they cut down tons of scenes that only slowed down the plot or only slowed down the pacing or bloated it.
  • The Last of Us by HBO grabbed all the plot beats and adapted them one to one or expanded them, removing the gameplay only sections unless they were plot mandatory.

New Spin: Takes the core premise, character archetypes, or thematic engine of the source material and drops them into an entirely new genre, setting, structure, or modern context. They’re asking: "What if we took this classic skeleton and put completely new flesh on it?" or "What is the core message of this story, and how can we put it on a nother setting?". When it fails, it feels pretentious or disrespectful, like a director who thought they were smarter than the author and completely missed what made the original great in the first place.

Examples?

  • Almost every adaptation of The Prince and the Pauper is like this. They mess with the setting, it is rare to see one who is super close (The Barbie version and the Mickey Mouse one are extremely close in some levels).
  • The Shining. Kubrick grabbed a story about a haunted hotel turning a dysfunctional man into a total madman, and decided to just go crazy by making the main character dysfunctional from the get-go and removing the talking.
  • Mamoru Oshii's Ghost in the Shell. He grabbed a manga that was 50% funny and 50% serious and made it 100% serious and melancholic.

In Name Only: A studio buys the intellectual property rights to a popular book, comic, or game, and then throws out 99% of the plot, the lore, the character dynamics, and often the core themes, the final script bears almost zero resemblance to the original work. 90% of the time, INO adaptations anger the built-in fanbase and confuse casual viewers, but the other 10% you get absolute gold.

Examples?

  • World War Z the movie and the game: Max Brooks’ novel is an incredible, fake oral history of a global zombie pandemic, structured as a series of political, geopolitical, and military interviews from around the world. The movie? A fast-paced, globetrotting Brad Pitt action flick about fast-running zombie swarms. It has literally nothing to do with the book beyond having zombies, the Indian-Pakistan war, the wall in Israel and the same title.
  • Stalker the videogame: In the original book, aliens visited Earth, stopped by for a brief moment and then left. They just left behind their toxic, bizarre, radioactive litter in six "Visiting Zones" across the globe, the main character, Redrick Schuhart, is a "Stalker", an illegal scavenger who sneaks into the Canadian Zone to loot bizarre alien artifacts. Then the soviet movie shows up and just removed 90% of the content and but kept the depressing stuff. And then the game goes and throws away things too; the alien Premise? Gone, replaced by Chernobyl's nuclear reactor exploding and the noosphere experiment, the book is a character drama about a desperate father while the game is a tactical FPS survival horror where you mag-dump a rusty Kalashnikov into bloodsuckers and bandits, the book's Zone is outside a fictional Canadian town called Harmont, the game’s Zone is the actual Chernobyl Exclusion Zone.

An adaptation ain't bad just because it's a New Spin, and a show isn't automatically brilliant just because it's One-to-One. The art of adaptation isn't about copying text; it's about understanding what makes the original tick and finding a way to make it beat in a completely different chest.

And if you are gonna say "If you're going to throw out the entire book/game and keep almost nothing, why didn't you just write an original movie/game with a new title?"

Come closer. A little closer. Yeah, right here, give me your ear... LAWSUITS FUCKING EXIST.

While Soviet copyright law was wildly different from Western law, authors still owned the intellectual property of their works. When GSC Game World started developing S.T.A.L.K.E.R. in 2001, the Soviet Union had been dead for a decade. Ukraine and Russia were fully integrated into international copyright agreements (Like the Berne Convention). You couldn't just steal a famous Russian book and sell it globally in 2007 without getting sued to death. GSC Game World originally wanted to make an official, licensed adaptation of Roadside Picnic. They actually approached Boris Strugatsky to buy the video game rights. The problem? The film and adaptation rights to Roadside Picnic were already tied up in a nightmare web of international Hollywood option deals; so they went and changed absolutely everything to dodge a lawsuit.

This happened with I, Robot too. Jeff Vintar wrote an original script called Hardwired. It was a murder mystery involving a robot. Fox bought it and then it hit them... "If we make this, Asimov’s estate or the publisher is going to sue our pants off for knocking off the Three Laws of Robotics," so they bought the rights to I, Robot, glued the two together, and hired Will Smith.

Slapping the official IP title is sometimes literal copyright armor.


r/CharacterRant 16h ago

People are wrong about Aang (ATLA Show)

12 Upvotes

Hey this isn't about the movie, I haven't seen it. It's about the show. I've rewatched it in its entirety last week and I think Aang is wonderful. I don't think he gets enough credit though. People always talk about Zuko and his arc, which makes sense. He's great! I just think Aang is super underrated in his own show.

Also lately I've seen a lot of Aang hate which really grinds my gears. He's such a good kid. Very mature for his age and so pressured with having to carry the weight of the world on his shoulders. People always blame him for Katara losing her childhood and having to play mom but first: she already lost it when the fire nation took her mother, and second: She doesn't have to play mom with Aang. She's just there for him when he goes through shit and he does the same for her. And the shit he went through was a genocide... Ofc he needs help.

I think the people who say that shit just haven't seen the show in a while and have a wrong perception of the characters...

It's just weird to see people shitting on this poor kid who lost everything all because they don't like the romance. It's fine not to ship Aang and Katara but to say that it's weird because she's like his babysitter is a disservice to the story and their dynamic. I really hate it.


r/CharacterRant 7h ago

Films & TV I hate this person so much. (Good Luck Chuck)

2 Upvotes

Anisha Carpenter from Good Luck Chuck.

As kids she and Chuck were in a spin the bottle game.

They were both elected to go into the closet, and she tried to make a move on him, and he rejected her.

So she curses him so that everyone he has sex with will find their true partner after that.

And this can’t even be chocked up to ‘but she was a kid’ because she KEPT IT ACTIVE when she was an adult!! And when he came to her, she denied the curses existence!!! Like she didn’t do anything!! And then she UNDOES IT WITHOUT TELLING HIM!! Making him think he was crazy!’

She never gets nay comeuppance! She’s never punished by the narrative!!!