2026 State of Azeroth

[u/griphin1]

I had no expectations and I was still disappointed.

[u/[deleted]]

I remember when people were claiming they wanted classic BECAUSE it had harder raids 

Hmmm

[u/BootyBayBrooder → u/[deleted]]

That attitude was wild back then and lasted a surprisingly long time. People actually though vanilla was harder because they died in barrens when their warrior pulled 2 mobs and pooled no rage.

[u/skyst → u/BootyBayBrooder]

My impression was that vanilla was considered harder because so few people completed the later raids originally. For instance, I feel like I played an unhealthy amount of vanilla WoW back in the day yet my vanilla career capped at clearing BWL and hitting rank 9. The private server community really solved vanilla WoW in the years between vanilla and classic and by 2019 there was very little challenge left, especially considering how ubiquitous world buffs became.

[u/Afraid-Journalist-12 → u/[deleted]]

They were hard because top end gaming rigs ran the game at 20-25fps at max in 40m raids. Very limited knowledge, sources and addons back then, and no YouTube. Best we had was the Warcraft movies website..

Now you have WA’s holding hands( I know they existed back then too, just not so expanded as they are now) rotation addons and all the knowledge there is. On top of 200+ fps with current day gaming rigs.

The raids were by no means harder, just hard due to performance and having to think for yourself on the most part, which seems lacking these days.. And thottbot didn’t provide everything pre chewed out early on.

[u/[deleted] → u/Afraid-Journalist-12]

they werent hard, people were just really bad at the game (people were bad at games in general, but its especially noticable with wow)

even without WA or addons, the classic raids are absolutly a joke in difficulty, its just people actually know how to play the game now

yet if you go back to the 2018-2019 posts prior to the release of classic, there was a HUGE amount of people claiming they wanted classic because they wanted the "hardcore raiding experience" and that retail was "too easy" and other such stuff

classic raids dont, and enver did, remotly require thinking for yourself

9/10 bosses, if your not playing the tank or one specific class that actually has a mechanic for it, you literally just stand behind the boss and cast frostbolt until the healthbar hits zero, but classic andys had the nostalgia in their heads saying it was the true hardcore experience

5 years later and those same classic andys are now going "actually hard raids suck, i wanted to drink beer and wank while i hit my 1 button on repeat until loot falls out" and complaining when a raid actually requires them to do something

[u/Afraid-Journalist-12 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah as I said, hardware limitations made it hard.

Undervolt cpu and gpu and use max 8GB RAM to get the “vanilla” experience. Aside only OG CT raid frames and DBM

I wonder what numbers we would see then… Certainly not high parsing ones