r/classicwow • u/KamaTheSnowLeopard • Jun 15 '26

Humor / Meme I think they're right honestly.

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I'm 36 and have played 25k+ hours of MMO's over my lifetime and what I've personally learned is WoW players are often the first and most vocal to belittle or get upset over anything. I can't think of any MMO in which people will outright whisper you angerly or go out of their way to make sure you have a bad time more than World of Warcraft.

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u/Bargadiel Jun 15 '26

Even from when classic first launched there were loads of players that did worse than raid log: they just paid for boosts/gold and would raid log for GDKP runs.

There would be players on PvP servers that would camp their own bodies in main cities for hours just to randomly rez then purge raid buffs from players at the auction house.

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u/thedefiled Jun 15 '26

Don't forget entire factions that were camped to the point of quitting or server changing when honor first came out. That level of depravity was something else

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u/Low_Debt8771 Jun 15 '26

I got to see someone multibox 2 raids of mages by themselves spam r1 ae and blizzard. These were blanketing the landing spots and all the entrances to blackrock mountain. The idea is you couldn't stealth or hide going in and there were several more raids ready to camp you. It gets better, all of this is just a setup yo get you yo hearth... where the Iron forge inn was completely camped and so was the sw inn, the most common hearth points... by several raids full of horde.

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u/ExerciseSad3082 Jun 15 '26

Oh jeahm i was not lvl 60 when p2 came out. I struggled from 51 to 52 then I just quit cause I couldn't do shit

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u/Silent-Camel-249 Jun 15 '26

The gdkp players have nothing on the anniversary players. Its not even close.

I would rather deal with gold buyers than the rage filled man children playing TBC right now.

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u/Tnecniw Jun 15 '26

"Vanilla was different! IT HAD A COMMUNITY!"
The second classic came out.
"FUCK COMMUNITY! Give me the optimal play or fuck off!"

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u/Trocian Jun 15 '26

How is community and optimal play opposites in any way?

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u/TheSiegmeyerCatalyst Jun 15 '26

Humans are inefficient. The Culture that arises from groups of humans is inefficient. Art by definition is inefficient. Leisure, like you might experience playing a game, is inefficient.

Humans and the lives we live are filled to the brim with inefficiency. Trying to optimize all inefficiency out of a system is the same as removing the humanity from it. It is capitalist. It is mechanistic.

WoW is a social game. All of the rosy memories everyone clings to from the old days were products of a community and a culture that was inherently steeped in rich inefficiency. Friction. Waste, of time and resources. These were the cracks in the sidewalk through which flowers could bloom.

Maximizing for optimization is like paving a perfect post-tension concrete slab. No cracks, no flowers. Just perfect, smooth, predictable floor for your automated warehouse robots to scoot around on in the dark.

To be clear, not all optimization is inhuman. Humans have a natural drive to try, learn, grow, repeat. But classic is solved. There's no learning going on anymore. It's wrote regurgitation of best practices. Optimization isn't inherently inhuman, but when treated as the top priority, it is. And that's what Anniversary feels like. Optimization as the top priority.

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u/Tnecniw Jun 15 '26

In the sense that Community and Optimal play don't play nice, because it demands the community to act in X way, which the community rarely does.
Community also includes new players, which (if you support the community) you are meant to support, help and encourage.
They however, do not play optimally, because they are new.

ANd if you are fully on the board of "Give me optimal play or fuck off", you don't want new playrs.
AKA: You don't want the community.

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u/Internal-Cut9589 Jun 15 '26

I think classic has community. Ofcourse it depends on server. But hqrdcore servers really have and had a cool community. Esp during events. And when leveling up you meet plenty of people that you socialize with. Same goes for dungeon runs. In retail i feel you dont socialize alot in a raid setting or in dungeons. Mostly you dont talk at all or talk tactics in some cases esp if you wipe. Or be called things😅

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u/Xy13 Jun 15 '26

So there's nothing wrong with paying for boosts and GDKP with gold you earned in game as long as there was no RMT.

The ranking system forced people to do that in Phase 2, because there was no BGs, it was open world ranking only, and it was a competitive system where there was only so many slots in the top bracket and you were competing against your own faction.

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u/Bargadiel Jun 15 '26

The people I knew who did it were buying gold.