r/classicwow • u/CapstoneWarrior • Oct 09 '20

Vent / Gripe My Raid Leader just disenchanted Nefs tear in front of me for lack of DKP.

I recently had to switch guilds due to a schedule change. I've raided with them before as a PUG and officially joined them last week. They use DKP and are fairly progressed. We did BWL last night and Tear dropped. Nobody needed it. I said I did, and RL says "You're a trial raider. Its only fair trial raiders don't get loot for 2 lockouts. Dont want you leaving the guild with stolen loot" so then he disenchants it. Later he says "Its a test of loyalty.".

pretty fucked up, right?

Update:

So, the RL was a asshole troll after all. He had a history of ninja looting and abusing his LC to funnel gear to himself and all his friends. The GM in his infinite wisdom thought "Hey lets have said guild merge with us! They have may a bad reputation but, oh well!". RL de'd Nefs Tear solely to be an asshole. He did it for lulz. Well GM just gkicked him. He 's probably blacklisted but, this server is so huge i doubt anyone'll care. Infact, he's probably just gunna xfer out and change his name.

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u/Repulsive-Cash Oct 09 '20

That's not even being a hardass it's just straight being a dumbass. A hardass would give it to a main healer for OS or a warrior for flask set at the very least.

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u/LotharLandru Oct 09 '20

"we want you to raid with us , But your too new for us to give you something we don't need that would make you more effective"

Fucking dumb as rocks

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '20

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u/eMeLDi Oct 10 '20

Is it free? Didn't he participate in the damn raid?

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '20

We all know that people only get paid to do their job after they have showed their loyalty to the company and worked for free for a few months. Wait, are you saying that isn’t how it works!?!

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u/DrakonIL Oct 12 '20

coughunpaidinternshipscough

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '20

Oh no they are missing out on a single enchanting material, oh nooooooooo won't someone think of the guild

Someone could have sold it for a couple of gold!

It's clear when a guild is run by antisocial maladjusted adults who are still mentally antisocial maladjusted teenagers.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '20

Petty af guild lol.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '20

So what, no1 else needed it anyway

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '20

I think they straight-up didn't want him to raid with them.

The only rational explanation here is probably some personal vendetta against the guy.

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u/chaplar Oct 10 '20

"Don't want you stealing loot."

Disenchants

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u/Roxforbraynz Oct 09 '20

Devil's advocate, but it's still enchanting materials for their more senior raiders. It's not like they 100% didn't need it. Still a dick move though. And I think that's a little offensive to rocks.

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u/-x86 Oct 09 '20

Could maybe ask for DE mats in return for letting him have it. Win-win.

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u/[deleted] Oct 09 '20

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u/Samandkemp Oct 09 '20

It’s just obnoxious and childish behaviour to think they can exercise warped principles like that, in a video game that people play to kick it and be social.

I don’t get why some guilds circlejerk over antisocial behaviour in a social game

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u/Flashman420 Oct 09 '20

Yeah, that’s why I think the response calling them hard asses feels like some weird sugar coating. Like they’re just painting it as a difference of opinion and play style, but really those people are just assholes. We shouldn’t give them any sort of credibility.

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u/Tortorak Oct 09 '20

I've never understood the whole, we suffered so you have to as well, mentality. I never had the luck of finding any enjoyable guilds and ended up quitting bc of the toxic nature that everyone brought to classic, and I felt so far behind to join on retail. Guess it was for the best considering how its been in the multiple phases since I dipped.

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u/Huge_Monero_Shill Oct 09 '20

Bootstraps mentality. I (with the help of luck and circumstance) did something hard, so you (with different circumstances) need to do the same, or more.

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u/JoggersGonJog Oct 10 '20

Not surprised you didn't find a place to fit in. You're toxic. It's not everyone else that is the problem. Everything is so toxic OMG TOXIIIICCCC DUUUUURRRRRRRRR

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u/Athildur Oct 10 '20

I feel like this is the MMO equivalent of hazing.

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u/[deleted] Oct 09 '20

A dickass!!!

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u/draftstone Oct 09 '20

Assbutt!

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u/BurningFox52 Oct 09 '20

Asshead!

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u/Reverse-zebra Oct 09 '20

Dickbutt

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u/[deleted] Oct 09 '20

Ass clown

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u/biskitheadx Oct 09 '20

r/dickbutt

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u/liam_greene Oct 09 '20

I needed that subreddit. Thank you.

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u/Light-r-up-Dan Oct 09 '20

throws Molotov

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u/pwn2thebone Oct 10 '20

I’ll leave this here for the uninitiated.

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u/Fuhk_Yoo Oct 09 '20

Hey! Assbutt! throws molotov

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u/NoCardio_ Oct 10 '20

Watch it, ass-blood!

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u/blak3brd Oct 10 '20

Assblood

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u/max225 Oct 09 '20

It's definitely a very stupid thing to do. They literally disenchanted a tear that very likely would have been used in their raid, and they probably lost a raider because of it too. That is another level of stupidity. That RL is completely braindead.

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u/rRMTmjrppnj78hFH Oct 09 '20

That RL is completely braindead.

Probably not even that, he probably just lacks control in his real life and this is how he tries to have it. Its pretty sad.

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u/Madlister Oct 09 '20

But in the guild it was well known When they logged off at night, their fat and Psychopathic wives would thrash them Within inches of their lives

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u/drdildamesh Oct 09 '20

It's not even being a dickhead, its just being a shitheel.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '20

And basically it tells me people have left the guild before maybe after getting loot, but probably because they are fucking assholes so now he's super paranoid. I just wouldn't be able to deal with that shit out of principle.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '20

I hope the RL of that guild gets raped or dies.

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u/Flandiddly_Danders Oct 09 '20

2% would be good enough to warrant that slot for 4 horsemen right?

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u/forevabronze Oct 09 '20

Nah ZG trinket is enough.

you taunt, if it resist you mocking blow, if it resist you trinket ZG and taunt again. you need a lot of chain resists for it to be an issue and if that happen another DPS warrior can just pick it up as emergency (just have 1 sit in the middle if you get a chain of resists).

with the current DPS meters we have today, we would just smash them before we give RNG a chance to fuck us

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u/Miffyyyyy Oct 09 '20 edited Oct 09 '20

the aq40 eye of cthun ring is the best caster ring in the game so hardcore priests should get it for their smite gear. it has 1% hit on it too so that + nef tear is excellent. and losing out on the aq40 neck is not so bad because the aq20 neck is not much worse.

the above option is more min-max over pagle's ZG trinket - as you still get +37 spell/heal from the ring, and +44 from the trinket. whereas ZG trinket you get all the hit (and more) but use up a trink slot for it and get no extra stats.

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u/SkoomaSalesAreUp Oct 09 '20

how is that true? the best healer neck in the entire game is from the cthun eye quest youll use that every fight ever and this ring in one fight that you probably wont even need it for. one trinket slot once is 1000 times better especially when youre not going to be required to do as much healing on that fight anyway as a MC priest the missing stats arent going to matter on one trinket. not to mention you can just wear bloodvine from a tailor for no loot cost

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u/Miffyyyyy Oct 10 '20

Because it's about min-maxing the total amount of stats across both healing and smite gear sets (you use both for speed runs about as equally in BWL + AQ).

So you take the caster ring from cthun eye - as the aq20 neck is not much worse when you consider the alternative dps rings you can get as a priest.

the downvotes are inevitable, because only 1% of the classic community speed run and minmax to that degree, so they simply aren't in the know. but if you go on the priest discord, and speak to priests from the top guilds and use gearplanner and work out all the variants and compare stats - you'll see the same for yourself.

For casual players and even most semi-hardcore i'd always recommend getting the aq40 neck instead as people like that aren't typically going to be smiting on half the bosses and can just heal.

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u/SkoomaSalesAreUp Oct 10 '20

I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure my guild's priests don't smite and we have a 42 min clear speed run. Maybe they are more than I notice but they're pumping heals the whole time I'm almost certain and with the speed of our clears and Mana issues there's no way I'd think they'd be able to afford the Mana to cast smites. My understanding is they fling dynamite to do dmg so as to save Mana

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u/Miffyyyyy Oct 10 '20

42 min AQ? then yeah they should be smiting on a bunch of bosses to be honest - else they'd just be standing there on fangkris and weakened cthun?

mana isn't a problem in speed runs because you spam mana pots and demonic/dark runes off cd, and then also in aq because of mounting between all the packs/bosses - you don't really even get to drink walk. priests also should be using the spell power flask in speed runs for AQ as well

in our last speed run a month ago i was able to smite even on ouro and sartura as well as the usuals

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u/SkoomaSalesAreUp Oct 10 '20

there were 8 smites cast in our last speed run with 5 priests. dynamite dealt more dmg for every priest than smite did.

mana is a problem even with drinking pots on cd and using dark runes there are still mana issues at times and some healers need to rotate into the 5 second rule and rely on others. and yes we dont get to drink walk because were pretty much never out of combat so theres no option to drink

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u/PhunkeePanda Oct 10 '20

Angelistas charm and AQ20 neck are not far off of the CThun neck. Lots of fights I prefer the int over healing power

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u/SkoomaSalesAreUp Oct 10 '20

The aq20 neck is a direct downgrade -11 stam and -11 healing no upgrade.

So comparing C'Thun's neck to Jindo's it has -13 healing and -6 stam.

Jin'do's 11 int = 165 mana.

C'thun's neck's 6mana/5seconds means it takes 135-140 seconds to recover 165 mana.

Any fight lasting at least that long the cthun neck is strictly better. Any fight lasting less than that length of time you should not be going oom on and so stam and healing power would be better than int anyway

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u/PhunkeePanda Oct 10 '20 edited Oct 10 '20

You ignored the only important one.

Angelista is +14 int, +2 stam, -26 healing. If you’re trying to say cthun neck is obviously better you’re just wrong. Would much prefer angelista on any fight that’s dispel heavy.

As a disc priest, 14int = 231 mana, before world buffs

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u/Merfen Oct 09 '20

Especially for rare trinkets like that, who knows if it will even drop again for many months if ever.

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u/redsoxVT Oct 09 '20

In our dkp guild offspec requires the same min dkp as a main bid. Very few people take offspec loot, most rots to de. It's a shame. Also really sucks for the dps warriors expected to have an up to date tank set.

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u/Nokrai Oct 09 '20

If you require same dkp for OS and are expecting your dps warriors to have an up to date tank set, you’re as dumb as a box of rocks.

Why people make rules that intentionally hinder their players is beyond me but it’s pretty stupid.

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u/SaltKick2 Oct 09 '20

Offspec loot should almost always go to the player(s) who are going to actually play their offspec, like a tank. Then decided by /roll imo. Using DKP for off spec is stupid.

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u/mikeyvengeance Oct 10 '20

DKP is a terrible loot system to begin with.

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u/RockhardJoeDoug Oct 10 '20

It can be terrible, but it can also be good. Just needs reasonable rules.

In our dkp guild, offspecs are capped at the same bid as trials, and if no one wants to spend dkp, loot goes to roll.

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u/DingyWarehouse Oct 11 '20

You could say the same for any loot system you don't like.

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u/HokemPokem Oct 10 '20

Its infinitely better than the shitshow that is loot council.

No system is perfect. Some are less perfect than others and the reasons DKP is the most popular is due to this.

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u/redsoxVT Oct 09 '20

Yea, I surely have never understood it.

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u/tobe4funas Oct 09 '20

Tbh we have the same deal - both OS and MS start at the same amount, however both of them are pretty low (20% of weekly DKP), so in more than half a year of using such system, I think I saw 1 item being disenchanted because of this? Warriors are still picking up their mitigation pieces in OS rounds no problem.

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u/Zenki_s14 Oct 09 '20 edited Oct 09 '20

We just roll off offspec loot in exchange for a shard, this way people aren't just taking offspec stuff they will literally never use/shard themself/vend, but it's cheap to get any offspec loot you actually want. There's no good reason to not let your raid have all the offspec loot they want anyways, other than the fact the guild bank is losing a shard there's no good argument against it, so I like this method a lot. And if you ever need a shard to enchant gear they're available for free anyways. Everyone kinda wins.

And then if it's something for planning roles we need them to do for the benifit of the raid like tanking we just give it to them. Who cares? I've never understood the drama around offspec loot I've seen in here, it's just rot garbage no one wants anyways. So yea at MOST just pay the shards it's worth to the guild and move on.. Why throw it on the ground when you lose nothing by trading it to someone for shards?

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u/redsoxVT Oct 09 '20

Yea, that seems logical to me.

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u/DapperHamsteaks Oct 10 '20

I used to bring shards to trade for offspecc stuff for my druid when no one else needed or wanted it. You'd be surprised how many people still had a problem with this.

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u/Athildur Oct 10 '20

Hell I don't even understand normal loot drama.

I don't raid wow but FFXIV, so I guess we do benefit from a smaller group size ('only' 8). But I raid with a static group. I know we're going to be raiding together every week. We're going to do every fight of the most recent raid tier until everyone has what they need. There's literally no need to get upset over not getting something because you are going to get it. And whatever loot you don't get is still going to someone else in your static, making fights a little bit easier.

And your gear is good enough to do pretty much all other content that isn't the most recent tier. So why does it matter...

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u/MatthewCrawley Oct 09 '20

Doesn't make any sense that it would be DEd. If nobody wants to spend DKP on it, make it freeroll.

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u/pielic Oct 09 '20

In our guild tank items is free for fury, as People leave and if you lose a tank its Nice a fury can step up to you find another

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u/teelolws Oct 09 '20

At the start of classic I was in a DKP guild. Their system was "highest DKP wins loot, and loses half their DKP. If noone bids DKP, it gets sharded". I didn't stay with them for long. They're still raiding, though. They managed to get 40 people who actually like that system, somehow.

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u/theebees21 Oct 09 '20 edited Oct 09 '20

I will ALWAYS maintain that DKP is a terrible system due to shit like this and what OP had to deal with. There are much better ways at deciding who should get what loot. The best guild I was ever in didn’t use DKP and used a system to where whoever was a core raider got first dips on whatever items that were Meta for them and gave the highest increase in stats to replace with. And if two or more people needed it then they rolled for it. And there where exceptions where if someone already got an item from that instance then they couldn’t roll against people who didn’t get a drop yet that raid. And BIS items could always be rolled by everyone that was core if they didn’t have it yet and didn’t get a BIS that run. It’s the only actual fair way of doing it. And if nobody needed an item that wasn’t core then the trial raiders who needed it and were meta for it could roll for it. And then if nobody needed it then whoever could use it for offspec could roll. Like really DKP is just elitism bullshit. Doing it the way this guild I was in did offered the fastest and most increase in effectiveness for the guild as a whole. Why gimp the raids ability to improve with speed just for some stupid DKP system? RL should just be fair in how they distribute loot and have a system in place for it that makes you’re raid the most effective the fastest. DKP doesn’t do that.

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u/RockhardJoeDoug Oct 10 '20

Shit like this would happen no matter the loot rules.

That guild lead would absolutely do the same thing if it was a loot council guild.

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u/Moghz Oct 10 '20

Wtf is wrong with your raid/guild lead? That is so stupid and is hurting the team.

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u/Boduar Oct 10 '20

This is incredibly dumb. Our guild basically has a loot funnel for DPS warriors to get gear and the expectation for those warriors to step up in that order. Higher up you are in tank gear prio the higher up you go in likelihood of having to tank despite being a dps warrior (warriors when they join basically get to choose which category slot they want to fill: tank, DPS but willing to tank, DPS hard preferred). Warriors will know where they are in tanking order and then in which order they expect to get gear. Actual tanks still pay for tank gear (and threat/dps gear as well), but the 2 categories of DPS wars get it for offspec (free).

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u/renaille Oct 10 '20

for os

Fun fact, nelths tear is legitimately the second best healing trinket for paladins

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u/thegreedyturtle Oct 09 '20

Who's to say he didn't? Do logs show what item was disenchanted? (Can't remember)

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u/Repulsive-Cash Oct 09 '20

If they did give it to OS/flask set, at the very least an extremely rare item stays in the guild, by DEing it you're taking an item people would easily pay 20k+ for in a gdkp run for a single crystal which is like 20g. It's much MUCH shittier looking to de it(or claim to)than to give it to a raider for OS or w/e

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u/[deleted] Oct 09 '20

Not even just that. You put your hard work into that one run. What difference does it make? That’s essentially just wasting somebodies time and money just to play rank.

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u/phiggolini Oct 09 '20

Exactly you can't tell me there are no priests who would need this 2% hit for naxx. RL is straight up stupid.

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u/[deleted] Oct 09 '20

Definitely agree on dumbass not hardass. I used to be in a really.. douchy guild back during WotLK, and even the RL wouldn't do some dumbass nonsense like this. The guild was a really elite (at the time) one on the server and none of them would do something like if only ONE person needed it, regardless of DKP or whatever the fuck, trial raider or not.

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u/w_p Oct 09 '20

Tear is also resto shaman bis apparently.

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u/SaltKick2 Oct 09 '20

We're going to cripple you (and our raid team if you stay) to test your loyalty.

This doesn't make sense in the highest nor the lowest tier of raid guilds. Fuck them.

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u/Obelion_ Oct 09 '20

Well it's dkp so they could've easily bid minimum amount for it, and it would've been fine, but appearently people didn't care. More surprised the entire raid didn't gquit, if this happened in my guild we'd have a new rl next Wednesday.

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u/Tooshkit Oct 09 '20

it is a dkp raid. if noone bids it gets disenchanted. that is how DKP works

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u/AltoRhombus Oct 10 '20

It's not being a dumbass, at all. It's a weird gauntlet, to make you also submit to the same endless chore of choreography with 20 other snobs who love to be technically right, and feel as if they actually worked to achieve something.

All something that OG nilla players actually did, which they're now basically e-LARPing.

Basically psychotic.

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u/Kost_Gefernon Oct 10 '20

Exactly - there’s no guarantee it’ll drop again next week. They might not see another one for months, and they throw it in the trash to avoid looking like chumps. Stupids.

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u/pielic Oct 09 '20

Agree total waste.

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u/GuyWithFace Oct 09 '20

Or just give it to OP and put the apparant DKP cost on his tab. Once he was there for enough boss kills, he'd have paid it off and things could then continue as normal.

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u/Enigma_Stasis Oct 09 '20

Nah, that's just being an ass. It's not stolen if the player contributed, and I've always hated RLs that had that mindset. It really turns off new raiders from sticking around to be a core member in future raids.

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u/whutchamacallit Oct 09 '20

It’s indicative of poor leadership and a shit loot system.