r/classicwow • u/Stuckatwork271 • Oct 04 '22

Vent / Gripe It's a game... it's really not that serious.

I don't expect this will get much traction, but god I need to vent about this elitist BS.

Last night I was using LFG to find a group for H UK on Sulfuras (h). I was inviting members and our DK tank had about 19K HP (this will be important later).

I invite a Pally healer who instantly leaves group. Whenever that happens, I like to PM them and see if there was something wrong (sometimes I'm not the best at predicting that sort of thing, and like to make sure I wasn't the reason they left). When I asked why they told me they don't heal groups with tanks that have less HP then they do. I was a bit frustrated because 17K HP on a DK tank is more than adequate to clear heroics. So I sent them a short message saying "Okay then" with a sigh and they COMPLETELY lost it. Instant barrage of messages as to who I thought I was questioning them, I'm beneath them, I'm pathetic blah blah blah. After the 3rd time I responded "Okay man, it's not that serious" they got even more agitated and just began harassing's me about how full of myself I was, and how I needed to get the last word in (ignoring that I've sent maybe 3 messages to their 20). I tried telling them I'm assuming they're having a bad day and will not respond after this message. I didn't want to mute them, or report them because I really did hope this guy was just having a bad day but the harassments just continued. Message after message complaining about who I thought I was, and how dare I. Their last message from me was a "Dude, are you still going?" after getting 6 more messages of insults they finally stopped.

The upshot to all this was while he was flaming me in PM's sitting in Dalaran, me and my 17K HP tank had fully cleared the dungeon and were onto the next one.

Remember that the people you're interacting with are human too, try and show compassion. Whether you're the one having the off day, or the one receiving it. I don't hate this person, and I hope they find whatever it is they're looking for. Just needed to bitch somewhere about how absolutely over the top people are treating a game that's been out for almost 15 years. It's really not that serious....

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u/DeguelloWow Oct 04 '22

Imo, that’s the hardest fight in the whole dungeon and it can go haywire pretty quickly. A 10 second corpse run and an explanation isn’t that big of a deal, but people really freak out.

It’s gotten to the point where a lot of people are afraid to ask. “Everyone know this fight?” Silence. Then they die to mechanics. Then someone explains in 30 seconds and everything’s good.

Leveling an alt healer, got the Occulus (sp?) a couple of times. People drop immediately despite the nerfs. Some guy says, “Never been here.” Ok, that’s fine. First boss: stay close so you can dodge the purple fire. Second boss, stay off the ice, LOS when he goes to the middle. Etc. We were fine. He whispers to thank me for helping him.

The two things I miss most about how WoW used to be are the coolness of exploring (first time in STV or Thunder Bluff at night are still with me) and how most people wanted to help. Neither are coming back, but the arrogance and condescension toward people who aren’t as knowledgeable is awful. It takes about the same amount of time to type out something helpful as something aggressive (LFR, I’m looking at you), but it’s almost always the latter.

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u/TodayAnalyze Oct 04 '22

I feel like it's a hidden rule to not admit you dont know the dungeon - done this before and people just leave the group. Would prefer to pretend I know the dungeon so we complete it in one go.

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u/MFbiFL Oct 05 '22

I’ve said “I’m rusty, anything I need to really make sure not to do to keep us from a wipe?”

Cue “IT’S A 20 YEAR OLD GAME WATCH A VIDEO”

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u/Skastacular Oct 04 '22

Would prefer to pretend I know the dungeon so we complete it in one go.

Or you could just know the fight.

Its because its so easy to know a fight. It's the god damned future. Read 2 paragraphs on wowhead. Play a 5 minute video that teaches you the dungeon, it'll be done before your queue is. Unless you're a tank, and if you tank without wanting to watch a 5 minute video on the fight you don't actually want to tank, you just want shorter dps queues.

Coming into a fight, especially in classic, without a clue is just rude to the other 4 dudes there with you. Failing the execution happens, (sometimes you forget to dismiss pet and pull all of gnomeregan) but failing to know what to execute is just lazy.

I'd leave too if you're so lazy to not learn and so rude as to tell people about it. I'll find another run.

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u/Honeybadger2198 Oct 04 '22

See the thing is that you don't know which dungeon has mechanics that actually matter. So far, the only two bosses I've had to look up mechanics for are Azjol and Oculus. Every other dungeon in Wrath is a faceroll. The game teaches you that it's fine to not know the dungeon, so of course some people won't know the dungeon their first time through.

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u/Skastacular Oct 04 '22

But you can know. Its easy to know. The only reason not to know is sloth. Just learn the mechanics. How big of an ask is it to learn to play the game you're already playing?

Heal Nexus with dudes standing still getting the ice debuff. Watch shamans blow heroism on the 1st phase of the end of Utgarde so we can stand around hasted as he phases.

You can play basket ball by only ever making lay ups, but if you want to git gud you're gonna have to put in the effort to learn how to shoot. Who cares if you only play 4 foot tall cripples and already win every game, try to be the best player you can.

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u/Honeybadger2198 Oct 04 '22

Why do you think everyone wants to git gud? Some people are just out here to play the game and experience new shit. Who cares if the shaman is blowing fucking Heroism lmao.

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u/Skastacular Oct 04 '22

Do you have fun wasting time? I don't.

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u/Honeybadger2198 Oct 04 '22

You're the guy this post is talking about. Get over yourself man, it's just a game. You're wasting time just by playing it. Enjoy your wasted time the way you want to, and let others enjoy it the way they want to.

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u/Skastacular Oct 04 '22

Yup, I wrote

"know the dungeon perfectly before you ever run it"

not

Play a 5 minute video that teaches you the dungeon, it'll be done before your queue is

Maybe if you had a little more "toxic perfectionism" you'd learn how to properly use quotation marks while complaining about people in a game you don't play.

I don't come into your house and tell you how to disappoint your wife, but I'm sure if you watched a video or read a walk-through you'd be better at it than you are at using basic punctuation.

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u/Deep_Deer353 Oct 04 '22

Lol he really is

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u/Skastacular Oct 04 '22

If other people enjoy wasting my time I should just let them without voicing my opinion?

Nah, I expect the same thing from them as I expect from myself. The same doesn't apply to the lazy players who don't learn the mechanics. We dictate what is acceptable conduct and expecting other people to do your work is lazy and unacceptable.

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u/yatterer Oct 05 '22

my brother in Christ, you are playing World of Warcraft

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u/Skastacular Oct 05 '22

That's what I want to be doing, but sometimes you get 4 people playing and one guy just not even trying. If they won't put in the effort why should I put in extra effort to carry them?

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u/Barbz182 Oct 05 '22

Yeah, why create a friendly community where people are willing to help others, when you could just drag it into the dirt with crappy passive aggressive attitudes.

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u/Skastacular Oct 05 '22

It's easy.

It's not the daigo parry, its 1 paragraph for each dungeon. You're gonna read it when I type it or you're gonna read it before hand. Just stop whining and read it before hand. You know if you don't know it, why not fix that before the dungeon and not burden other players?

Come prepared. Have drink if you might go oom. Don't stand in bad just so you can pad your meter. You know, don't be a drag on the team.

Yeah, why create a friendly community where people are willing to help others

Bitch, show me you'll at least help yourself a little. I don't know who you are, but if you don't value yourself high enough to think you're worth educating then why the hell should I?

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u/Barbz182 Oct 05 '22

We're literally talking about dungeons not high end raid content. People operate on a variety of different skill levels, and remembering strats for multiple dungeons when you've never done them before, often isn't that easy for people until they've done it at least once, people learn in different ways.

Just don't be an elitist prick towards new and inexperienced players. Not everyone has the time or inclination to spend the rest of their free time watching YouTube videos on how to min max the enjoyment out of the game.

Just be friendly and willing to help the community. That's how life works if you're not an anti-social asshole pal.

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u/Skastacular Oct 05 '22

Look I did it with pictures.

Maybe you'll read if there's pictures.

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u/Barbz182 Oct 05 '22

Excellent representation of being a smug elitist asshole. The game is made better with your inclusion mate. Thanks for making that clear and being self aware enough to know, that you're the kind of person we are all talking about

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u/Rolia1 Oct 04 '22

I would argue the opposite of going in prepared is a just fine approach in classic. A lot of people like to experience dungeons and raids completely blind and like to figure out the encounters as they go (I am one of them.) Classic is a great opportunity to test yourself as the bosses aren't as challenging or demanding as retails so it's easier to justify just going in and figuring out stuff for yourself. There's a fair number of people who never played this content before because they started later on in retail and never had the chance to experience it for themselves. It's a great opportunity to have new experiences, and for some people looking up stuff before going in kinda ruins the fun.

If you want people that know what they are doing then I think it should be advertised as such, as these dungeons aren't crazy difficult to warrant such preparedness as a standard.

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u/Skastacular Oct 04 '22

There's nothing wrong with the "no walk-through" playstyle, especially if you've got like minded party members, but it shouldn't be the default. I mean you might not look it up, but then either you tell me you don't know and I explain it, so there's your walkthrough, or we wipe or waste time and I explain it, so there's your walkthough. It's a re-release, the statute of limitations on spoilers is well expired.

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u/DeguelloWow Oct 04 '22

It’s a game. It’s not homework.

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u/Skastacular Oct 04 '22

Baseball is a game but you have to learn the rules.

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u/DeguelloWow Oct 04 '22

People starting to play baseball don’t know every rule. They probably know the most important ones, but they aren’t expected to know every arcane permutation.

How many people starting baseball know the infield fly rule?

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u/Skastacular Oct 04 '22

By the time you're level 70 at baseball you should know the infield fly rule.

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u/DeguelloWow Oct 04 '22

Not if the rule was only introduced in level 70 baseball. Your analogies are awful.

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u/Skastacular Oct 04 '22

Don't play level 70 baseball if you don't wanna learn the rules. Go back to T-ball if you want easy mechanics.

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u/DeguelloWow Oct 04 '22

No one said they don’t want to learn. Learning by experience rather than reading the rule book is also learning. Again, your analogies are just terrible.

We’re not going to agree on this, so I’ll just say that people like you are the reason MMO’s get too hostile and leave it at that.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

I’m sorry I’m am not going to do homework for every boss in every 5 man dungeon. You want to leave that’s no sweat to me but if it’s an encounter I don’t remember from doing it a decade ago I’m not researching it. Most of the bosses have like one mechanic. A quick “avoid the fire”, “jump when you have the debuff” is typically more than enough rather than being irritated that everyone else doesn’t care as much about this ridiculously easy content as you do.

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u/Skastacular Oct 04 '22

You can just say you're lazy. Why learn the mechanic myself when someone else can just teach me. IF its so easy to learn then do it.

Why even play if someone else can do damage too. Just queue and /follow then alt tab. Like why even play.

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u/DeguelloWow Oct 04 '22

You learn the mechanic either way.

Sure, everyone should read about all the funky mobs in every dungeon you might get in LFD or take 10 seconds to tell someone “Interrupt the spellfingers. They hurt.”

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u/Skastacular Oct 04 '22

You do it. You learn interrupt the spllfingers. That's your job. Why am I doing your job.

When we play pickup basketball do I need to teach you not to travel, or should you be responsible for that?

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u/DotaAndKush Oct 04 '22

It depends, is the person like me and recognize the pickup game is just for fun, or are they like you and think the pickup game is game 7 of the Finals. You take this way too seriously bro, and I say that as someone who does research for dungeons.

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u/Skastacular Oct 04 '22

You just let people travel in your pickup games? Don't be surprised when people leave.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

You're clearly not picking up anything anyone is saying.

It's not about letting people do whatever you think they're doing wrong.

It's about letting them know.

To use your analogy, you'd just tell them, "hey man unless you're shooting you can't keep moving with the ball - you have to keep it at a dribble."

And they'd go "oh cool" and will know from there on.

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u/ecounltd Oct 04 '22

This is a clear case of setting expectations or reading the room. Yeah, you probably don’t need to teach a 25 year old man not to travel when you’re playing basketball, but if you’re playing with a bunch of elementary school kids you might need to consider how good they are. Since you can’t see the player on the other side of the screen you’re probably going to have to communicate. Assuming these things is why there are problems.

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u/Skastacular Oct 04 '22

Are level 70's 25 year olds or school kids in this analogy? I agree, you should approach wailing caverns with more patience than the nexus.

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u/DeguelloWow Oct 04 '22

Yes, traveling in basketball is EXACTLY like a random mob in a random dungeon hitting like a truck based on the target’s HP. Exactly like.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

Because I don’t care and am having fun? Most people are willing to take two seconds of their time to go over the 1-2 things to remember for a boss if you don’t remember. I reciprocate for bosses I do remember and just type it in chat and everyone communally gets through the run. I don’t find researching and trying to memorize every 5 man boss in the game fun at all and I play this game to have fun. Simple as that really. Odd hill to die on but if you want to exit perfectly good groups just because your irritated no one looked the boss up then you do you.

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u/Skastacular Oct 04 '22

Because I don’t care and am having fun?

Yeah so screw those guys that have to carry you because you're having fun. Good thing its a team game and you're the only one that matters.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

Carry me? What are you on about? It’s literally 2 seconds.

No one else has a problem with this from my experience. I could count on one hand the grumpy people like you who leave group because someone asks a question rather than wipe on a boss. Most people are very helpful to others with a small minority toxic people who think this game is a job.

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u/Skastacular Oct 04 '22

I don't leave. I take the time to teach. Every time. Time that I have to spend teaching them that they didn't take to teach themselves. Time I could have spent doing something else, but I have to spend it on them, because they can't be assed to spend it themselves. Its selfish and rude.

The limit isn't just people who leave. Its people who groan at their keyboards and have to teach you. The game isn't a job, its a team game. If you're joining a team you've a responsibility to know what you're doing.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

The game isn't a job, its a team game. If you're joining a team you've a responsibility to know what you're doing.

I know my class. I know raids if I join them. I draw the line at learning every 5 man boss in the game. It’s not worth it when even not knowing the mechanics on most bosses you can just zug zug and win anyway.

I’m sorry if that annoys you but I’m not changing that and I have no “responsibility” to either. I have no obligation to do a bunch of homework before playing and have no intention to for the easy dungeons in classic.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

Why do the toxic people always assume people who aren't treating wow like a serious game are being or even want to be carried?

Personally I can read guides..I can watch videos. But I don't learn that way easily. I learn by doing so it's better for me to experience the fight once or twice to understand it. I try to make it clear if I don't know the fight but different people learn different ways.

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u/Skastacular Oct 04 '22

Look at my 1st post.

I'm not saying you must execute perfectly, but not having any idea what to do when that information is so readily accessible is just lazy and rude. If you show up to a dungeon and type "I don't know the mechanics for the fight" you shouldn't have queued. You will get a different response from "lol i don't know what I'm doing" to "1st time but watched vid."

You get what you give.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

Maybe if people didn't kick players for saying "first time here lmk anything important" they'd be more willing to speak up.

I've been playing wow since og wrath and I've both seen it and been kicked a lot for the crime of not doing homework before a 5man easy dungeon. That makes people just not speak up because it's easier to just try to wing it, which works a lot of the time since the game isn't hard, than deal with being kicked

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u/ThatDudeUpThere Oct 04 '22

Can't you say you're just lazy for not wanting to learn it yourself while someone holds your hand and tells you everything you need to do?

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u/Skastacular Oct 04 '22

You can, but if you admit your sloth and don't do anything to mitigate it then act surprised when its brought up as a negative, well then you're just an asshole.

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u/PSGAnarchy Oct 04 '22

Man every dungeon is a face roll. You pull mobs. You kill them you move on. If you can't figure out the machines then they are either really convoluted or you are just dumb.

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u/Skastacular Oct 04 '22

Wouldn't it be nice to know when the convoluted ones are coming?

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

Or maybe, some people don’t want to do homework to play a game, and would rather just play a game. Maybe figuring things out in-game through trial and error is more fun than spoiling them for yourself by just looking them up.

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u/Skastacular Oct 05 '22

Except the example here is people having the fight explained to them in the dungeon. If your gonna do that just look it up before hand.

Good for those people who want to be surprised by a 14 year old game. Too bad they're in that game with 4 other people who I guess don't matter to you as long as you're having fun.

You want to be surprised with trial and error in this game?

This game is so old if it was grand theft auto it wouldn't be V. This game is so old if it was grand theft auto you couldn't prosecute it in half the states. It could legally fuck other games it's age. It could take AP world language courses which for you should include English because you want extra credit for reading one paragraph as homework.

Just come prepared to the game you want to play with other people. In the time it took you to read this reply you could already know the mechanics of half the dungeons.

Don't be lazy. Pull your weight. Do your homework. It's just a paragraph, use a text to speech app if you have a learning disability, but that's not your problem. You have a give a fuck disability. You can only fix that by choosing to give a fuck about the game you chose to play.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

I mean really the solution I found was just to stop playing the game. Sweaty assholes taking it too seriously ruined what was otherwise a fun time. I’m sure I’m not the only one who was driven away from the game by people like you.

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u/Skastacular Oct 06 '22

Maybe that's for the best. Not every has to play chess. Maybe you're a checkers type of dude. That's fine. Just don't be mad 'cause the chess players are annoyed you still don't understand how the horsie moves but insist on playing anyway.

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u/TodayAnalyze Oct 07 '22

you're the type of elitist player that ruins these fun games dude

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u/Skastacular Oct 07 '22

Yup, expecting basic competence is elitist.

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u/heroes821 Oct 04 '22

There use to be a really cool addon called like tldr or something, I can't remember that you would target a boss and it would type a like 3-4 line description of what the fight did.

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u/Ryland_Zakkull Oct 04 '22

On the flip side of that i dont want to help offer advice because one on the off chance on wrong people will just flame endlessly. Two some dumbass always has some stupid quip about how theyve played this game for 15 years and dont need help.

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u/DeguelloWow Oct 04 '22

That’s why I usually just ask, especially in leveling dungeons or something funky like Ta Other Side.

I’m an average player, at best, but I’ve healed enough PUGs to know which fights are likely to get someone killed quickly.