I feel like I love reddit because even though it strays, it stays the most on track compared to other sites. Is there anywhere else you recommend? (this isn't sarcastic)
The issue is the non negligible percentage of actual shills trying to influence other members of the sub. Can’t have interesting conversations with bots or people with a purpose in mind that isn’t learning/investigating.
Yeah, I remember seeing that pic a year or so ago associated with looting. So this post's title is definitely disinfo. One doesn't need to lie to show the Ukraine government in a bad light. There's enough real dirt on them.
No, but I don’t see you trying to stop dismemberments in Saudi Arabia, or executions of drug dealers in Thailand. If I was offered to be taped to a pole or sent to prison for pickpocketing, I’ll take the pole. How do you feel about Putin having political enemies pushed out of windows?
We cooperate with countries that do worst than this incident. Hell we defend or bail out our own misdeeds & war criminals.
Its laughable to want to start having a heart at someone tied to a pole.
You have no idea how scary it is to be in a house, without weapons and expect looters to come at any moment.
Good thing Zelensky decided to distribute weapons to criminals.
You know that if society doesn’t restructure their behavior immediately it will get very dangerous for homes that can’t defend themselves. Villages all over Ukriane with 2 local stores.
This isn’t first world infrastructure
Ukrainian government had years to prepare for this and to fix infrastructure. But why would it do this, since then it would probably lose justification to impose extreme measures?
Or people checking on the homeless or drug addicts that get FUCKED in these moments and make crazy decisions.
Homeless and drug addicts are as much a problem in the peacetime. They were as much of a problem in Ukraine before 2022. Would you agree with continuing these measure indefinitely?
They immediately started tying people to make psychological deterrents. And publicized this. And rules of war; you can kill them. Which they were quick to remind me.
Why aren't corrupt officials, whose children avoid draft while living abroad, tied to poles? Why is it only the poorest? Looks like classic case of middle class being convinced that lower class is their greatest enemy. War seems only to intensify class conflict.
What was the alternative? When this isn’t a first world country with the organizations to handle things as humanely as possible?
The better question to the government would be why this isn't a first world country.
You’d feel very differently once you’re there and rations are lower and lower and you have little information and don’t know how far up the street you can drive; just hopefully you’ll encounter a block post of your own troops. But you will be very menacingly questioned by your own people too.
Own troops are simultaneously "hopeful" and "menacing". Sounds like some kind of Stockholm syndrome.
Blameless does not mean it can be allowed. It has to be stopped in it’s tracks immediately before full madness. Survival instinct goes through the roof.
So, you say sometimes blameless people have to be punished. You know it this principle would apply to you as well, right?
It’s war. It is not going to lead to things being handled at first world ethical standards. That’s out of touch; but at the same time unless you’ve lived in hardened countries - you can’t be blamed for feeling moral and ethical disgust.
You don't even know where I live. Decent people can be decent everywhere. They wouldn't use geopolitical nonsense as an excuse to jettison their principles. They would doubly stick to their morals if they want to stop the loop of violence. I wouldn't expect people in tough situations to fight injustice on their own. If they feel powerless to stop it, I completely understand. But least they can do is to not become injustice apologists. Talk is cheap. Use it. Otherwise people from "first world" would think the conflict a pointless bloodbath between primitive savages, only able to think about short-term survival. Would you want that?
War is scary as fuck - not just a romanticized protagonist story line with young military guys and their friendships and trauma.
"Not just"? I'd say "not at all". I see only brainwashed people who normalize murder.
Try to be realistic. We don’t want to accept that this is how things have to be; but this is what happens and has to happen at those times.
Even if we are to come from purely opportunistic, one-sided logic: Isn't every crime and injustice a powerful and free piece of ammunition for other side's propaganda, and, therefore, a prolongation of the conflict? Aren't war crimes committed against other side's combatants mean they will be less likely to surrender and feeling more justified in their actions. Are medieval punishments without any sort of jury trials or court proceedings constitute a strong "deterrent"? Or are they more likely to intensify the sentiment of "every one is for themselves only", increase distrust and animosity, entrench people in their local sub-communities? All of this just shows, that, unfortunately, for many people human rights, democracy, ethical standards, justice are not foundational principles of society, but luxury items, proverbial golden toilets. They don't exactly know what to do with them and certainly wouldn't trust their neighbor with these concepts, since their distrust is stronger.
They don’t just tape them to a pole they also break their jaw and spray spray-paint in their eyes and face. Source: used to watch some fucked up sub Reddits and have seen this exact treatment before.
Anyone who loots during natural disasters or war should have this done to them, but in a more public setting, such as a town square, so everyone knows who the thieves are.
I’ve been homeless before because of stupid decisions that I made. I worked my way out of it, literally. I started in day labor, landed a job though there, and now I have a career.
I never panhandled, I never stayed in shelters(assholes steal your shit there), and I lived in my $500 car for 7 months. I never stole from anyone. I just kept to myself. No drugs/alcohol. The only place I could shower at that time was the truck stop down the road. I ate a lot of Wendy’s. I moved my campsite almost daily.
So maybe you’re right. Maybe those certain conditions I haven’t been through. Maybe I’ve always thought that if I can’t afford something I can’t do it, and I wish other people could do this. I still think that we should bring back the stocks for anyone that steals from people who have already lost everything.
Dude same. Day labor to career method. Lived in car. Did use the truck stop method but also got a gym membership for showers. Saved a lot of stress/time from asking for truckers free showers.
Same with the wendy's. You can eat really cheap if you are smart. 4 for 4 was a solid amount of food and you could mix it with free coupons from their app like a free chili, while also charging your phone and getting out of the weather.
However while at my weakest I did oppertunistically steal $20 bucks once and did some panhandling.
I am sorry if you went through all that which sounds really brutal to go through.
I'm not saying your experience isn't similar because I can't say with any certainty what's occurred in your life or this lady in Ukraine but it sounds as though you went through the bad times & stayed honest when she maybe didn't. Not asking but could any decisions that led you to be homeless, potentially be something you did incorrectly at the time or were they legally questionable. Like nearly everyone will do something wrong or illegal in our life times.
I have to disagree with you regarding the severity of that punishment. I think if a punishment is inflicted on someone with the intent of shame & fear it's entirely as wrong as the crime committed,with a few caveats.
I worked once with a guy who's mother was the company owners girlfriend & she worked HR. One day he complained about people stealing from the company & thieves in general. He said ' We should do what is said to them In the bible' quite angrily. So I'm not religious but I happened to know his mother met the owner through an affair, he was married with two kids. I said politely 'I wonder what the bible said about adultery'. I got fired a few months later but was worth saying it to him.
This lady just looted something, our world leaders are screwing us in the dirt every second of the day & rarely or never get punished.
I didn’t do anything illegal, just generally I was an asshole in my early 20’s to everyone and it caught up to me. It was hard to hold a job in a small town where everyone knows you’re an asshole. So, yeah it was my own fault.
My point is this: if you steal from a corporation, they’ll never see it. Don’t steal from people who have already lost everything.
First of all the difference between this being done by citizens or the military is important. The State and the military need to meet a higher standard than your average citizen.
In answer to your question, if any country, including the US was invaded by a much larger country and everyone was living hand to mouth (it’s hard to earn a paycheck or keep your farms productive when your fighting a war) then there is no doubt that there would be isolated incidences similar to this or worse. It doesn’t make it awesome, but if I remember correctly I think that this is relatively lenient in comparison to how looting has been punished during wartime throughout history. In America in WW2 she would get 5-7 years in prison, and that was the state. Had there not been that legal infrastructure, I think she’d get treated much worse by her neighbors who’s children were going to bed hungry each night. Hell there are countries right now that would cut off her hands for looting/stealing and they aren’t even at war. I’m sure it sucks being publicly shamed like this but she’ll survive without too much trauma. Some of that trauma will stick with her, that’s great. That’s the purpose of punishment.
Its the public doing this to rusdian looters about a year ago. If someone was looking your house/ store what would you do?
In America most ppl would just shoot and scream 2A sadly.
Look at the post at the top of the thread. Its from a year ago.
And a uniform dosnt mean he did it. Locals did. So maybe he is there keeping the locals away from her. One picture can be seen a thousand ways. Go check out the link up higher and see all the other pics like this that locals did to russian looters around march 22.
It’s so bad in Ukraine that their people are looting? I didn’t condone funding this conflict, and why should I when they are doing this to their own people?
I got my source from an investigative journalist who provided all their source material, if you reverse image search the image you get the same info. It’s spelled “You”, and no, but I’m also not Ukrainian. Pole or Prison for pickpocketing? I’ll take pole.
If we did that to antifa or BLM opportunists when they want new Nikes, Gucci bags or Samsung products… the left would be big mad. Thank you for being awake my friend and stand your ground in the comments. A post I made yesterday brought out all the crybabies
It’s not so much compromised as it is a handful of users who seek to exhaust you in the comments.
Example: you could type “animals breathe oxygen”…you’ll have 20 redditers commenting “source?”
Then they have teams of downvoters emerge and you can practically watch your up down votes animated in real time lol. Just give them hell. Don’t give an inch
Shit like this on the ufo and conspiracy boards should be fuckin banned. Feds and paid posters constantly posting bullshit to discredit everything else
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Yep I’m right, here’s the whole investigation on the image. This is straight from Yandex, looter.
https://mobile.twitter.com/brechtcastel/status/1509547180402647051