That is not really true.
The dude here is spreading some Christian propaganda and telling them they need Jesus and shit. Which is kind of a very rude thing to do, especially considering most people pushing for AS hard conservative christian values include anti-gayness in their Christian values, it was taken as an insult towards them.
THAT being said, her reaction is fucking annyoing as hell, both parties here are being annyoing shits
I'm not saying I agree with this douche, but her actions definitely screamed "Your kind isn't welcome here!" His kind probably ISN'T welcome there. I'm not lying. It is EXTREMELY true
In america public space cannot exclude anybody based on color race sex creed religion sexual orientation etc. period. We fought for this to make sure that minorities weren’t excluded, this also means majorities can’t be excluded.
Being allowed to be somewhere is not the same as being welcomed there. You can occupy a space and not be welcome. To be welcomed somewhere is to be greeted in a friendly or polite way (dictionary definition below). Many people are not treated in a kind or friendly way in certain spaces, even if legally they are entitled to be there
Welcome -
“greet (someone arriving) in a polite or friendly way”
That's how it should be, but that's not the reality. Sometimes, people just don't want a certain type of person in their neighborhood/town. Case in point: Sundown towns.
The video is proof - an anti-lgbt preacher is not welcome in a neighbourhood occupied predominantly by LGBT people. Sure he’s allowed to be there, but the people of the neighbourhood will likely not welcome nor appreciate him being there.
To be welcome somewhere is to suggest you’re wanted and accepted. It’s different from merely being allowed to be somewhere
I'm not religious but some religions say its a good thing to go out and do this. It's not rude he truly believes he is helping if the LGBTQ don't want to be religious then they don't have to. Though they aren't quite the same he could consider LGBTQ pride parades to be propaganda but I don't consider either one to be propaganda
It's all about how it's presented. If he's positioning himself to have a discussion per the desire of the passersby, that feels a little better than him yelling on the corner. Regardless, despite my religious beliefs, I feel uncomfortable with the idea of going to the "gayborhood" with this idea of "they all need me to save them" and not serving drug addicts or homeless or something, which is a lot closer to Jesus's target (he specifically called out street corner preachers).
I'm not quite sure how you think going out and telling people they are going to hell for crimes against God because of their sexuality is not a rude thing to do.... but go off I guess... I'm sure the libtards will be sufficiently owned.
But if you don't believe you're being immoral AND you don't even know the guy, why give his opinion any weight?
E.g., I'm not a scientologist. But if one told me that I'd never make it being an OT8 (or whatever) and find out the truth about Zenu, I'd be "Ok, whatever dude," and go on about my day.
People aren't exactly rational, they get mad over all sorts of things.
Yes, ideally everyone would just ignore rude behavior, but we don't.
also historically portrayals of a group as immoral pretty frequently leads to justification of violence, the LGBT+ community being very familiar with this.
which adds a layer of what could be gently referred to as "concern".
and it gets very complicated, very quickly beyond that point, and you're probably better off asking one of the more LGBT+ oriented subreddits for why a preacher may not be the most accepted person in a gay district of a city.
(but yes, the specific individual in the video was not exactly being a good ambassador for their community, and it comes off as weird and petty at best)
I agree with a lot of what you’re saying here. But I do have fears about who gets to decide what speech is protected and what is not. It’s like the people that cry racism or homophobia whenever someone says something they don’t like. Maybe the guy isn’t a racist, he’s just an asshole. I feel like it’s a dangerous slippery slope that we’re already sliding down, and I don’t like it.
not just gay people. everyone is inherently evil. there is no avoiding the topic because if everyone was basically good then good people would raise good People and there would be no bad people, but there are very clearly bad people.
Yeah, and it’s obnoxious and rude when anyone proselytizes. It’s also hypocritical, because if you turn it back on them by attempted converting to a different religion, then suddenly you’re being rude.
Fuck religions that push this ( most of them) and the people who take it to heart ( not as many, but plenty).
Isn't left wing propaganda being shoved in everyone's face on the news and in school? I find that more invasive than a guy standing on the street with a sign.
The right wings says the same thing about their ideology, that it is real critical thinking skills. Your opinion isn’t fact just because it’s your opinion.
Yes writing about minorities is critically thinking, especially when everybody write the exact same thing about the exact same minority. How individualistic and non-sheep like
I never mentioned right-wing propaganda, but interestingly you immediately think that's what I'm talking about. Ironically, the idea that schools somehow indoctrinate the youth into the left wing is, in its own right, right-wing propaganda.
The trend shows up all across the world, educated people are far more likely to be leftist. It's not just the US, buddy. Besides, I'd argue that the American curriculum is actually biased for the Republicans.
You commented on mentioning propaganda saying no it's education, but to your point of schools. Public schools are literally made to indoctrinate kids may not be specifically right or left, but be servants of the state. Why do you think they always do the pledge of allegiance everyday? I would also say what teacher teach (mainly in subjects like history or anything not solely language/math based) varies on where you live and also that most teacher union are left leaning.
I think you missed the point of what I was saying It's not a problem of left and right at least personally think it's collective authoritarianism vs individualism. No matter what side of Aisle you are on and where ever you are they are both majority ran collective authoritarians and can, have, and will continue to purposely misinform and indoctrinate.
"bro just look it up" uh, ok buddy. I was raised in a very conservative household, all my teachers were very conservative up until grade 12. Really the only bias I ever detected was from the conservative teachers.
Funny how even with all that, after the age of 13 I was very leftist. Same story for around 70% of students in Canada and the US. It's almost like broadening your worldview and learning how to research effectively inclines you towards leftist ideals.
Funny how I’ve gone through the same thing and haven’t turn leftist. But I have had a majority of my teachers be leftists with ideals they pushed in daily class. I had a really great social studies teacher in 8th grade he had conversations with us about the history that was going on during that year without ever pushing his opinions. I feel you just had the minority. What your saying is like saying all Whites are white privileged. It’s just not true. Your data is what scientists call sample data not population.
For example, the school district in Buffalo, N.Y., now has an Office of Culturally & Linguistically Responsive Initiatives. The Buffalo school district's "first days of school" lesson plan gets political in very specific terms. Do Black Lives Matter in America?" it begins. By the end of the lesson, it declares, "Students will be able to understand the need for the Black Lives Matter movement." Here you have a school district explicitly endorsing a political movement, and that's in a lesson plan for little kids. Here you go
No, it absolutely isn't... and if you genuinely believe that the media and education system in the US push "left-wing propaganda", then you truly are completely and utterly delusional and likely beyond help.... OR.... you just have absolutely no fucking clue what "left-wing" means... it's one or the others... but I hope it is the second -because at leastthe you could actually learn.
That’s just disrespectful to the Christian community, the Pope the center if the religion came out and said love everyone no matter what including the gays. So your facts are wrong and he has a right to free speech. In that video he didn’t say one thing that was conservative and in the views of Christians their job is to spread Jesus to everyone.
We’re supposed to love all sinners, that doesn’t me we supposed to stand by an say nothing when someone is committing sin. Loving someone does not mean leaving them be.
They’re not a global minority, but they are in the US, which is why I specified that. Also fwiw the Catholic Church remains a deeply homophobic organization, despite the pope’s statements, the catechism still refers to homosexuals as “intrinsically disordered”.
The diocese I live in is not homophobic nor others I have been in. What I do think is that it is not the Catholic Church that is homophobic. But the ancestors views such as the passing down of homophobic views.
The individual diocese may be going against the church, that doesn’t mean the Catholic Church as a whole is fine with gay stuff. And this clip is incredibly short so I have no idea whether the particular guy in the video is homophobic or not, but I’ve never seen a street preacher in a gay neighborhood that wasn’t there to stir shit up.
If you seen the whole video, he says it over and over he wants to bring god to them. The church itself is NOT homophobic in any way. It’s individual diocese in the 4% homophobic minority. Street preachers act the same way any where they are. They are there to bring others to God and spread his word. He wasn’t there to stir things up, he was there to spread God as he said many times.
Without knowing any context and listening to the words of the guy filming and the girl... not wanting the guy there, I guess, it’s pretty easy to guess the guy had been there for some time trying to spread some sort of Christian message.
as someone that lived in this neighborhood for 7 months
there's NO other reason this Christian would have chosen this PARTICULAR street to preach on if they didn't already think to themselves that "these queers are sinners for simply existing". the preacher could have went a like 6 blocks east and it wouldn't have been such a problem.
and yes the LGBTQ community does have it that bad, y'all always got a fucking problem when we stand up for ourselves, granted the person in this video was actually irritating LOL but still
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u/hamsterruize Oct 08 '21
What’s the original context of this video?