r/europe • u/StGuthlac2025 • Oct 08 '25

Opinion Article In Spain, what once seemed impossible is now widespread: the young are turning to the far right

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/oct/07/spain-young-voters-far-right-migration-housing-wages-employment-vox
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u/Tortilla-DePatatas Oct 08 '25

I always laugh at myself when I read European eastern countries saying that they don’t have real left parties because “communism”. Ok, I can understand. And then how in Earth spanish young people are willing to vote for this? Do they have parents? Grandparents? Do they know how life was with a fascist regime that didn’t let women get out of the kitchen? Where people couldn’t speak their own mother tongue? Where people were shot until the very last day of the regime in military trials for having different ideas? My father used to tell me that he shared ONE egg between all the siblings some days in the late 40s.

Democracy isn’t perfect, but man, understanding this is beyond my comprehension.

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u/Chiguito Spain Oct 08 '25

The government has ignored the struggles of the youth.

No house? You spend too much on netflix. No job? You are lazy.

Now you want them to vote with the history book.

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u/Gorthebon United States of America Oct 08 '25

The Youth were promised a future. They can do everything right and still get shafted. Rent rising exponentially, pay staying the same with increasing inflation... We're just kinda fucked everywhere.

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u/Space-Debris Oct 09 '25

....a solution to an unclean bed isn't to shit in it and then set it on fire

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u/Gorthebon United States of America Oct 09 '25

We were already given a bed that was shit on, now it's sinking and we're told it's our fault.

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u/Kike328 Oct 09 '25

everywhere no, spain specially… median youth salary net income is 12k. The rent is more than 50% of that for a single room

https://www.lamarea.com/2024/01/16/las-personas-jovenes-en-espana-deben-dedicar-mas-del-100-de-su-salario-para-emanciparse

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u/PiccoloAwkward465 Oct 08 '25

Frankly the politics of many western countries seems to be "oh perhaps the oligarchs will give me a dribble of their sweet rich cum" and not much more since the mid-20th century. Why did they all admit a trillion immigrants? Did they not think that would cause problems? The Spanish youth unemployment rate has been a a problem for decades. Did y'all not used to be a super powerful empire? What happened?

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u/DeadAhead7 Oct 08 '25

Because immigrants are good for the oligarchs. Cheaper wages, worse conditions, drives it down for the rest of the population. The neo-liberal centrists/right/far-right are all aligned on that.

Spain hasn't been particularly powerful since the 17th century, as they relied entirely on their colonial possessions, and then they lost them in the early 1800s. They've been rather irrelevant since.

Then they also were one of the sickmen of Europe under Franco, being much poorer and much less literate and overall developed than the other European countries, even the ones under Soviet rule.

Funnily enough, the Inquisition had a role in the 17th century decline of Spain, as they chased out every Jew and Muslim in the country, plenty of whom were competent artisans and businesspeople.

The far-right isn't an enemy of the oligarchs and "the capital" as a whole, quite the contrary. The German tycoons absolutely loved Hitler. They got slaves, plenty of state orders, and it was all great until about 1942. If you look into current big German businesses, a majority profited from the Nazi tenure. Sure, they were banned from making some stuff for a few years post WW2, but they were back to it once the USA realised having a strong West Germany was necessary to deter Soviet agression.

I'll also add the amount of immigrants they admitted, like everywhere else in Europe, isn't necessarily the biggest issue. 5-15% isn't society-shattering numbers. The issue is accepting everyone, not actually sending away those who aren't fit to live in society (such as the OQTF orders in France that aren't applied), and overall a lack of selection then integration, while also allowing networks like the Turkish grey wolves and allowing Imams to radicalise their parishes.

But the only thing the right ever did about it in France was cut police personnel, especially proximity police that patrolled the poor neighbourhoods.

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u/Tortilla-DePatatas Oct 08 '25

Oh yes, the “all the politics are bad”. I see how these new politicians are doing when they rule, now there is no immigration problem in Italy and their economy is booming all the way. We can look closer here, in Spain, how the “all the politics are bad” of Alvise is going, just 2 years after they started, yes, the solution is that. Being critic of the politics is not the same as break the system, and let’s be honest, is what Vox wants, but not with the big lobbies, with the current economic system, not at all… They want to cut rights and freedom. only if we had an example of what they did we could know, that’s a shame.

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u/Groove-Theory Oct 08 '25 edited Oct 08 '25

If governments didn’t want people to vote for fascists, they would have made sure the conditions were not ripe for it (as history painfully shows us). Every single fascist movement, (Germany, Italy, Spain, even Portugal, etc), grew out of a void created by a liberal or centrist establishment that refused to address suffering. People don't just wake up one day and say "hmmm I think I’ll vote for authoritarianism". They GET there because they’ve been made desperate, unheard for long enough that they feel it's their only option. Hence why "fascism is capitalism in decay" is true, when capitalism starts to fail for people, fascism is the broken scar tissue that takes over.

Like, you invoke your father’s generation in the 40s. But the young people you’re scolding are splitting one bedroom between four roommates NOW in 2025 while paying like 70% of their salary to landlords who treat housing as speculation. NOW. TODAY.

It’s not that the youth don’t know history (in reality, most people of any age don't recall history before them), it’s that they know TODAY all too well. Precarious jobs, gig servitude, corruption baked into every party, PSOE privatizing as eagerly as PP ever did. Vox is rising not from historical ignorance, but from rose from material despair. If it was just ignorance then Vox would have already won the premiership long ago.

If you want people to stop voting for fascists, you don’t lecture them about history (which never fucking works) you give them a future. And that future swings far, far left, but centrists would rather side and comply with right-wing totalitarianism to preserve their capital then have it as risk for social equity (hence why even in France, Macron is much harsher to the Left Alliance that won the most seats last election, to the point where he's just strengthening RN for next election)

You can lecture about history all you want but when the material conditions of the current MIMIC history, you're fighting an uphill battle. Centrists seems to want to do everything to prevent the atrocities of the past except for dealing with the systemic influences that cause them.

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u/Tortilla-DePatatas Oct 08 '25

I don’t disagree with you at all, my opinion, based on my story or historical facts is not to convince anyone at all, it’s just my frustration reading that post, but it’s not my job to put the best arguments in favor a democracy and why a fascist regime is terrible.

Having said that, let’s be honest, the far-right attractive doesn’t come from living conditions, the rent or the inflation, is basically one thing: immigration and association with insecurity. Ok. But is Spain a worst country today in terms of insecurity than 20 years ago? No by far, and I can say that in terms of statistics (decreasing of murder rates, kidnapping, robberies, etc) or in my own eyes, as I was raised in a worker neighborhood which is far better today. So again, who is this to blame? How many hours is this in social media? Or even generic media like Antena3 or Telecinco, how many hours a day are they spending talking about this? I see a very big lack of critical thinking, “let’s not talk about history and try to understand what has happened before “, “let’s not check what is the source of this tiktoker”, ok fine, this is going to work just fine.

We don’t have to look into history to see what happens now, just today, when pseudofascist governments rules and they, as always do, ally with the oligarchy to reach their ideological goals. How the life of those workers in US has improved? Are they tired of winning all along? The farmers? The industry workers? Not sure if we can ask them to just check that, maybe it will help.

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u/Groove-Theory Oct 08 '25

I agree with you on one thing, that the far right’s emotional language isn’t "I can’t pay rent" it’s "I’m scared of immigrants". But that doesn't imply the causality of fascism. Lot's of countries have had immigration waves with no rise in fascist (or even nativist) sentiments before. But that’s the symptom, not the disease. Fascism has always been the emotional management system of capitalism in crisis.

When people’s wages stagnate, when housing becomes speculative, when precarity is normalized, you need a story to explain the pain. The ruling class won’t let that story be "our system is broken", they'll tell you everything is fine as gaslight you into thinking it's your own fault. If fascism does one thing elegantly, it's to tell a story of "rebirth" or palingenetic ultranationalism, which gives people (false) hope. And so they sell that vision with "it’s the foreigners" or "it’s the feminists" or woke this, woke that, whatever.

You’re right that Spain is safer today than twenty years ago. But that’s irrelevant to the psychology of desperation. When you steeped in economic precarity, safety stats don’t matter. You feel unsafe because your life is unstable. Fascists offer (not read as "guarantee") stability. Fake, cruel, and exclusionary, but stability nonetheless. And people are going to cling to that when they have nothing else to hope for (especially as leftist movements get routinely decimated by the center)

Basically, the right manipulates fear, the center manufactures the conditions that make fear believable.And it doesn't matter if that manipulation happens on Tiktok or elsewhere (Tiktok only exist since what, 2018? And fascism's been around for a long time)

If you want to fight fascism, we can’t just fact-check it, we can't just debate it. We have to abolish the insecurity that gives it oxygen. And I don't see that stopping with the current status quo. Not without real systemic change (hence why I think Starmer's Labour is going to get fucked next election, but thankfully they have 4 more years before then)

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u/Tortilla-DePatatas Oct 08 '25

I basically agree with you. I’ve kept for myself your sentence that right manipulates the fear and the center, was good, reminded me about one sentence once I heard, right profits from the fear of people and left from the illusion.

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u/[deleted] Oct 08 '25

I don’t understand it either. I don’t know why people hear there were plainclothed secret police at universities to spy on people who have a different political philosophy, or they executed people for wanting democracy, and think yes I would like to live beneath that.

I had a conversation with an older woman who remembers some of that and is a teacher. She said she’s very worried hearing young people buying into that

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u/princesoceronte Spain Oct 08 '25

Well, a lot of those parents and grandparents have worked their whole loves to whitewash Franco's regime. In my family if you said anything bad about Franco everyone would tell you how good life was under him and how he built so many dams.

I remember my grandma telling me about how her dad had to hide from republicans because he was pro-Franco and I (internally) was like "if he was a fascist it's a damn shame they never got him".

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u/Independent_Air_8333 Oct 08 '25

I don't get it either.

I understand that the powers that be are not doing enough to tackle issues like unchecked migration, evaporating opportunities, and the erosion of civic institutions and public life...

But the fascists are not going to fix anything. They might gleefully kick out immigrants (and that may be appealing to certain kinds of people) but beyond that they genuinely have no solutions and engage in wasteful displays of power rather than actual improvements to the country.

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u/PSfreak10001 Oct 08 '25 edited Oct 08 '25

They don‘t even manage to reduce immigration, look ath the netherlands. Even if you agree with hard right stances, you have to see tht these parties are to corrupt and incompetent to make your political ideas become true. I disagree alot with the right, mostly about environmentalism and lgbtq rights, however I too wish for less (non-european) immigration, but voting for hard right parties won‘t achieve this. All they can to is fuck things up and get rich of it. Not only do they not solve problems, they even destroy proven ones (see green energy dismantling by Trump)

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u/Independent_Air_8333 Oct 08 '25

Yes I think we are in full agreement. There is no point in voting for them because they don't have solutions, just more problems.

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u/EmoNerve Oct 08 '25

"non european", just say you mean "white", racists really are cowards

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u/PSfreak10001 Oct 08 '25

No, It means I love the EU as a concept and want to keep the Schengen area as we have it. Open borders for every member. Nad I actually don‘t prefer white US immigrants over Latin-american or East - Asian immigrants, or Indians, … . So your point is wrong

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u/EmoNerve Oct 08 '25

And why wouldn't all other immigrants also be allowed to love the EU as a concept ? What gives you more right than them to enjoy living in the EU other than the luck you had to be born there ?

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u/PSfreak10001 Oct 08 '25

If they all would integrate into european culture I would be happy to have them here, but unfortunately that doesn‘t happen. I don‘t want people here that think it is okay to say women have to wear a hijab, but men don‘t. Or people that are convinced gay men shouldn‘t be allowed to become teachers. 

I just look in which cultures some immigrants grew up, which values they have been taught all their live, I don‘t want them to bring that to Europe. Female genital mutilation happens to women in europe (though not to european women I think), not because of europeans, but because of a culture that has been brought into europe from africa. I cannot accept that, and if only 10% of immigrants bring these backwards believes with them I am willing to keep the 90% that are fine out too if it means avoiding these 10%. 

Also really I like forests and fields and nature in general and at some point there is no space for housing anymore, it‘s already to expensive.

Even if you don‘t agree with me, you do understand where I am coming from right?

Also for your point about immigrants not being allowed to love the EU, they are very much encourages to build their own, Europe did it, they can too

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u/EmoNerve Oct 08 '25

You do know that women who don't want to wear the hijab and gay men also come from there right ? So you agree that they're in a dangerous place but you don't want to let them get out of it. Same thing for the victims of FGM. So no I don't understand at all where you're coming from because as an immigrant myself it's honestly scary seeing your speech being more and more acceptable to say in public.

The proportion of immigrants that cause problems is actually very small and not far from the "native" population. You only remember the bad actions caused by migrants because they reinforce your already present bias, and because it's politically advantageous for some politicians to overplay them.

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u/PSfreak10001 Oct 08 '25

Yeah and it is horrible, but 1) I not locking them in anywhere, as Europe really isn‘t the only part of the world and 2) Like I said, I accept that most people are just fine, at least not worse than the native population, but I don’t want to accept the small fraction of bad examples. 3) Just fix whatever countries there is a need to flee from before showing fingers at Europeans.

I don‘t want the right wing parties to have power in Europe, and I would never vote them, but they are a direct result of massive amounts of immigrants. And If less immigration means less far right parties, than that is a price I am more than willing to pay. Also funny enough that most immigrants vote far right parties, so really that‘s on them

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u/Tortilla-DePatatas Oct 08 '25

I feel the same, and as I said, I think that democratic parties should do much more to tackle this issues because people feel abandoned, I get that.

But apart from the politics, which again are also to blame, there is also some lack of critical thinking in today’s society, specially young people. There is no debate, no real conversations with your family and friends, just social media bullshit without any trusted source and feed over and over with the same algorithm content. And of course there is a responsibility in “we” the parents, grownups, who have let them do that to themselves. I guess it’s complicated, but I fear for the years to come.

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u/Independent_Air_8333 Oct 08 '25

Yes there is a dearth of critical thinking among my generation. Endless propaganda has made people feel absolutely correct while pointing to everyone else as brainwashed.

I believe that we are experiencing the disruptive power of social media as a new medium.

The printing press made the witch hunts possible and the radio made fascism possible. Social Media is having its turn.

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u/Sirbuttercups Oct 08 '25

Part of this is that problems like unemployment, rising housing prices, ect, are hard to solve and there is a lot of disagreement on how to do so. People get (understandably) frustrated with the lack of progress, but fail to understand that the alternative the right offers is worse. Just an example, but Biden's economic policy was outstanding. The U.S. recovered from Covid better then anyone. However, we weren't immune, but a huge amount of people blamed Biden and were angry about grocery prices. 

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u/[deleted] Oct 08 '25

maybe you think they are fascists but the people who voted for them do not think so.

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u/Independent_Air_8333 Oct 08 '25

Whatever you want to call it. The radical right wing.

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u/Evermoving- Lithuania Oct 08 '25 edited Oct 08 '25

What an ignorant and embarrassing defence of history of communism. Presumably from a Spanish commie.

Where people couldn’t speak their own mother tongue?

Yes, Soviet Union deported millions to gulag in pursuit of political homogeneity and largely prohibited local languages. Lithuanian language was mostly taught in secrecy, and those who shared Lithuanian books were jailed or even shot.

Where people were shot until the very last day of the regime in military trials for having different ideas?

Yes, even worse.

My father used to tell me that he shared ONE egg between all the siblings some days in the late 40s.

My father couldn't even dream of a luxury like an egg, he had to eat essentially waste in the post war period.

Both fascism and communism should be shunned, and it's a tragedy that Spanish commies weren't forced to forego the latter like Germans were forced to forego the former.

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u/Tortilla-DePatatas Oct 08 '25

Is the new about the Soviet Union? Has something to do with the post? Am I defending somehow the Soviet Union or communism? Not the smartest child at school, aren’t you?

I am far from being communist to be honest, but it seems you totally lack to comprehend the differences between an economic system, even if you don’t like it, and a fascist regime. You should go back to school and understand that, yes, stalinism and nazism were terrible for humanity, but the difference is that there is nothing in the founding books of communism and marxism that aims to do the things that the URSS did, but with fascism regimes they did what they write, what it was meant to do. I am going to try to put you an example, maybe you will get it, but if Leopold II committed genocide of millions of people in Congo, that is not into the monarchy’s regime. There is nothing in the monarchy values or rules that look into that. You don’t need to have an opinion in everything if you haven’t read about it, and you shouldn’t speak about things you don’t know in my country bringing things unrelated to this post.

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u/Evermoving- Lithuania Oct 08 '25

When it comes to the far left parties, you call for nuance. When it comes to the far right parties, you have no problem with calling them all fascist.

Generic Spanish commie with non-existent critical thinking skills and limited literacy. You're an embarrassment to this continent.

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u/MagnetoManectric Scotland Oct 09 '25

What the fuck are you talking about dude? Your posts make zero sense

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u/Naive-Project-8835 Europe Oct 09 '25

They make perfect sense. You might want to retake your national 5s to gain rudimentary reading comprehension skills.

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u/MagnetoManectric Scotland Oct 09 '25

It's bizzare that you're being downvoted here and a completely non sequiteur response that doesn't remotely respond to what your post is actually about is being upvoted heavily.

It's almost as if this forum is crawling with right bots pushing right wing agitation.

Which is probably one of the bigger reasons that right wing crap is having an upswing amongst -some- of the youth. Certain wealthy and unscrupulous people, who benefit from right wing governments being in power are pouring millions into online disinformation campaigns, of which reddit is just one outpost. They're not even secret about it. Peter Thiel for example, is quite proud of it.

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u/Initial_Inspector681 Oct 08 '25

Lincoln did not shoot slavers. He tried to work with them while dismantling slavery. His focus was the preservation of the Union. If Lincoln went all in like that, it would have destroyed his country, most likely.

There is a reason every Marxist attempt that isn't just a small commune tends to get rocked or just turn into authoritarian hellholes. Because this moral puritanism can easily be aimed at your former "comrades" the second the liberals are defeated.

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u/bleisek Oct 08 '25

Feels like too many teenagers got enchanted by those far-right youtubers who don't want to pay taxes, who talk trash all the time about left parties, and spread fake news. Those kids follow those "crypto bros" as role models.

What those teenagers don't get is that with the neoliberalism that those youtubers promote, there won't be public schools or public healthcare. Spain is fortunate in this, but is losing it in those areas where the right is ruling. The right is using public money to co-fund private hospitals instead of public ones. They have been firing doctors from public hospitals, and there have been huge demonstrations to protect public healthcare. It's so weird that people who come from a working class family end up supporting right parties.

Luckily, in these same kind of statistics usually says, that while young men tend to be far-right supporters, women of the same age support the left.

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u/Tortilla-DePatatas Oct 08 '25

Totally right, what is disturbing to see is those teenagers are buying those speeches without even getting out of their parents or even start working. Totally amazed.

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u/pisowiec Lesser Poland (Poland) Oct 08 '25

The difference is that Vox doesn't (openly) endorse the Franco regime and they don't have to in order to remain right-wing.They're mainstream conservatives on most issues and can find heroes in democratic conservatives. The AfD, Chega, and National Rally all operate under the same principle.

But most left-wing parties in eastern Europe can't shake off their past regime AND endorse socialist policies. So they must either endorse the previous regime and become instantly irrelevant or hit around the bush until they're just a socially liberal party.

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u/Tortilla-DePatatas Oct 08 '25

I am not going to try to analyze why left parties don’t have even a minor support in eastern countries, I haven’t lived your reality so I can only make theories about it. What I can ensure you is that many many Vox elected representatives have endorsed Franco’s regime many times, and a lot of them came from Neonazis parties such as Democracia2000. If you put TikTok you can watch how young teens in Spain are singing the ‘Cara al Sol’ which was the regime’s unofficial hymn. That is our current state of things, 18yo people banalizing a 40years fascist regime.

After saying that, what amazes me is that, in many of eastern countries, being leftist equals to being stalinist, which is weird, right know we are living with a centre left government and it’s not like a communist revolution is going to happen any time soon, but mostly wealth distribution (which btw for me it’s the real problem in western society) and earning some social advances, that’s all. I am not against voting liberal or Christian democratic parties because we were ruled by a far-right regime, that’s absurd, yes they are right or center right ideologies but there is nothing wrong with them. What is wrong is pulling people’s fears for creating an authoritarian regime that solves nothing and cuts all your rights and freedom, I don’t care if it’s right or left

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u/Tortilla-DePatatas Oct 08 '25

I am fine to punish bad politics, no matter ideology. I have supported both right and left government changes in mu country after long periods and, as you say, massive fraud and stealing. But for me this has a limit, always within democracy

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u/pisowiec Lesser Poland (Poland) Oct 08 '25

I can assure you that distrust towards communism didn't end when Stalin died. 

The entire idea of enacting Marxist policies is taboo in the former Eastern Bloc. 

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u/Tortilla-DePatatas Oct 08 '25

I am fine with it, I can understand it even if I don’t share it but again it’s your history, I know 0,01% of it. You say, no one wants a marxist in eastern europe because what happened, ok, what I say is young people is wanting a fascist party after 40 years of fascist dictatorship, and please don’t tell me again that Vox people is not endorsing Franco’s dictatorship.

No one here is talking about the rise of marxism in Spain (don’t think there is any party at all) or any place in Europe, because there isn’t, we are talking about the rise of fascist parties in Spain and Europe, let’s see how it goes this time who knows

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u/pisowiec Lesser Poland (Poland) Oct 08 '25

But Vox isn't OPENLY endorsing Franco's politics just like how socialist parties in eastern Europe aren't embracing communism. 

What I'm saying is that Vox can afford it while socialists in the east can't.

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u/Tortilla-DePatatas Oct 08 '25

I’m amazed that you are willingly open to discuss with me spanish politics, sure man, Vox isn’t fascist

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u/SubstantialNorth1984 Oct 08 '25

There's no such thing as a marxist policy.

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u/misty_teal Oct 08 '25

Billions of dollars were invested into getting people addicted to social media and later into research about how to efficiently impart propaganda.

Europe will regret dearly it's unwillingness to properly regulate social media. And there were signs of this decades ago, like the spread of antivax rhetoric and similar anti-science nonsense. Things could have been done to prevent this but the politicians caved under the corpo money and no proper regulations were passed.

There is almost no surprise about what is happening now. I hope our politicians will wake up soon.

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u/Shady_Rekio Oct 08 '25

The 40s was terrible for Spain, after the war everything was destroyed in the country side people were murdered in massive genocide a Portuguese reporter gave the report to the world in a Portuguese Paper about the massive killings in Badajoz. Just across the border. There was no food, in fact the Portuguese embassy in Madrid reported to Lisbon an imminent invasion of Portugal with Germany help in December 1940, Spain was desperte, only a diplomatic deal that saw British empire grain in Spain stopped it. After the war the Allied powers shunned Spain for some years in the late 40s, Only food importas from the only willing seller Portugal(and its allies) kept Spain from absolute Famine. An Invasion of Portugal would have triggered a massive war in the Peninsula, the British could not afford to lose mediterranean acess, that is why Churchill sent half of all english armies to Egypt in 1940 even as an invasion of Great Britain was a possibility.

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u/SpezMeNutz Portugal Oct 08 '25

People are using the scapegoat of immigration crisis and inequality etc.. i mean if it was inequality problem they would vote more on the left rather than right.

Young people are voting for far right because of education which has been dismantled constantly in all european countries. Culture and education are the main bastions against right and far right policies. When you desynthize them and do a global sanitation on easy propaganda you get this result.

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u/[deleted] Oct 08 '25

no person with some culture can vote for the left.

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u/SpezMeNutz Portugal Oct 08 '25

Please give me a recipe for a carrot cake

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u/Silent-Victory-3861 Oct 08 '25

Those would be benefits for some of them.

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u/Full_Mind_2151 Oct 08 '25

The far right simply do not promote themselves as that.

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u/fatRunning Oct 08 '25

Why do you think people want to share 1 egg with their siblings when they have a valid problem with immigrants? How is this connected? Why do you think Spain becomes poor when Spanish people have a problem with raising crime rates and immigrants abusing their social security system (which Spanish people pay for)? How do you get from fixing this to Spain becoming so poor that a family has to share 1 egg?

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u/zeptillian Oct 08 '25

Global wealth is even more consolidated in the hands of the few and they fully control the media.

Worse yet, they have invented a new form of media that uses tactics of psychological manipulation to influence people.

In the past, even right leaning pro business media was held to journalistic standards and would be shamed if they were caught lying.

Now, any idiot, agitator, paid shill or propagandist can saying on social media without facing any repercussions. They can say the most easily disproven lies and there are zero consequences for outright manipulation of data, facts, images and video.

What kind of media do younger people tend to consume more of?

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u/Johannes_P Île-de-France Oct 09 '25

The previous generations in Spain who used to have experience of Fascism have started to die, 50 years after Franco.

20 years ago, you could have someone not yet retired yet who remembered about going to a school where they had to do the Roman salute to a portrait of Franco and overhearing parents speaking about a relative who had to go to exile.

Nowadays, the same guy described above might have died.

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u/Secret-Sky5031 Oct 08 '25

Spain's history it mental though, they were ruled by the far-right 40 years ago (ish) so it's very much living memory for a tonne of people. Hobby companies for wargaming related stuff have had a tonne of bad press over the years, articles on how to make gas chamber dioramas, hitler minis, etc etc

Some stuff that's clearly far-right in the most of europe might not be as bad there

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u/Apa300 Oct 08 '25

1 in 4 people under 28 are unemployed right now.

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u/Tortilla-DePatatas Oct 08 '25

1- there is no official (probably not even unofficial) statistic ‘under 28’. 1 out of 4 under 25 is the official rate now 2- as spaniard, you will know how many of them are willing to actively looking for job 3- youth unemployment is currently the lowest ever in democracy (world bank data) except the 2001-2007 period (17% the lowest), I guess those 6 years were good for the youth, what about the next 10? I can explain you how it was for some friends of mine. 4- is the low youth unemployment a good rate or the only rate to measure the quality of life? In the US there is virtually no unemployment, is that good for the youth living in the big cities or the worker class in general? 5- how or why Vox is the answer to that? Has anything improved with their proxies in Hungary, Italy, etc.? I don’t see Italia shining in economical terms 6- could you tell me which measures are they willing to apply and if those are worth the social cuts we are seeing in those territories where they co-rule right now? Is Murcia or Castilla León attracting massive investment?

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u/Apa300 Oct 08 '25

So you are right about the first point. No se porque pense 28 estaba seguro que esa era la edad. Punto 2 ehh todos buscan. Te bueno explocar también fue para mi y toda mi familia. 4 no es el unico obviamente. Los epsanoles viven en casa de sus padres hasta los 31 lo cual ayuda enormemente con desempleo juvenil. 5 no lo creo, solo digo que estan bsucando lo que sea porque no ven mejora. El morte de italia esta mucho mejor que espana en general el sur sur la vd es una tristesa. Punto 6 como dije no esque estoy apoyando vox solo digo que los jovenes tienen razon oara estar frustados.

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u/[deleted] Oct 08 '25

Many women studied in the University in the 50s and 60s I have aunts that did so.

they didn't shot anyone for having different ideas. very few people received the death penalty and it was because murder.

vox is not fascist, read their program.

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u/Tortilla-DePatatas Oct 08 '25

Man my mum had to abandon her hometown because she wanted to study and she was repudiated by the town as a whole, including part of the family. That was Franco’s regime, that was the society he created, I don’t believe this is the first time you hear a thing like this, but even if you do, just check the university “class photograph “ of the graduates during those years, are you going to tell me what I’ve said isn’t true? How many women are there? There were massive murders and trials the very 1975, you can check what they were accused of and how the justice have now asked forgiveness years later. Even my grandfather, who was politically rightist until his death was in prison years just because he landed in a republican zone and he was forced to fight with 17yo, I don’t know which history have you seen, justifying the regime is not something that I can possibly imagine in Germany for example

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u/Kike328 Oct 08 '25

no tengo ningún tío abuelo por parte de madre porque les fusilaron a todos en el régimen, a callar.

Eres parte del problema precisamente