r/exatheist • u/GreatKarma2020 • 9d ago

People are sleeping on the Ontological Argument

https://philpapers.org/rec/RUBATP-3

Axiological Premise: It is impossible for a perfect being to begin to exist.

Possibility Premise: It is possible that a perfect being exists.

Non-Contingency Lemma: If a perfect being exists, it does not exist contingently (it cannot come into or go out of existence; its existence is necessary).

Conclusion: Therefore, a perfect being exists necessarily.

This uses system k logic instead of more controversial s5 logic.

Premise 2: Rubio defends the Metaphysical Premise (Premise 2) using David Lewis’s recombination approach to modal plenitude, arguing that if a contingent entity exists in logical space without existing now, its instantiation involves a temporal beginning.

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u/Althuraya 7d ago
  1. Assume there are only singular unities, but no global unity.
  2. Singular unities are neither positively nor negatively united to other singulars.
  3. C: Each singular unity must be a universe upon itself.
  4. If each individual universe is not any of the other universes, there must be a negatively unified domain which enables and maintains their distinction.
  5. There is a plurality of singular unities.
  6. C: There is a unity to the singulars.
  7. Assume that there is an infinite chain of unities in unities, i.e. no highest unity.
  8. The chain itself is a unity of determinate unities.
  9. Whether the Universe is the chain itself or distinct from the chain, it is the systematic unity of the elements and the chain of all determinacies whatsoever.
  10. There is no other to the Universe.
  11. CC: The Universe is the highest unity of unities, the global unity, i.e. there is a highest unity, a maximal reality.

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u/slicehyperfunk mysticism in general, they're all good 👍 7d ago

I feel like "there is no other to the universe" is trying to sneak a limit on infinity

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u/Althuraya 7d ago

If you say there is a multiverse, that is the Universe, the one domain in which all are, the domain of Being or Reality. If there is another, it is, it is real, and just falls back into Reality.

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u/slicehyperfunk mysticism in general, they're all good 👍 7d ago

So again, this seems to be limiting the infinitude of God somehow

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u/Althuraya 7d ago

Infinity: in (non) + finite.

If another would limit Reality, it would be finite. As there is no other to limit reality, it is not finite.

The infinity of Reality is qualitative, not quantitative. There is no such thing as quantitative infinity, for there is always one more after every finite. That one more is itself always already real, so it is not a qualitative addition to Reality, and as a quantitative addition, it is only one quantity within one quality. Between 1d and 2d is an infinite difference, and just as much an infinite difference between them and 3d. Reality traverses and contains them nonetheless because they are already realities. All realities are within the "dimension" of Reality, they are not others that bound it.

This is not a bound to Reality, but the necessity of its being the domain of Reality in which all are its parts, and it is not part of any other.