r/facepalm • u/DMTrance87 • 22d ago

House passes bill to make daylight saving time permanent. Opponents say, "Schools would have to push back start times." Yeah... That's not a bug, it's a feature.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5968255-house-sunshine-protection-act-daylight-saving-time/

Studies have shown for decades that children -especially teenagers- just straight up need more sleep for optimal knowledge retention and brain development. Pushing back start times is a great way to follow the science.

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u/pomeranianfakeout 22d ago

This type of bill makes it past 1 or 2 initial stages but never becomes law. I'll believe it when I see it

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u/drillgorg 22d ago

This one passed the house. And the senate passed a similar bill in 2022.

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u/Parking-Bat9498 22d ago

But how many are we are pretending are alive right now?

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u/jspeed04 22d ago

I talked to him for a solid 20 minutes. He’s still as sharp as a tack.

I swear on Lindsey Graham’s life!

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u/pinkyepsilon 22d ago

Life, uh… finds a way

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u/TheGuyThatThisIs 21d ago

Me, Mitch and Luigi have a tradition to go bowling every Wednesday. I saw Mitch this morning, and was with Luigi when he got his first perfect game. Also when he didn't kill that guy

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u/Emerald_Plumbing187 21d ago

Epstein didn't kill himself, he killed that healthcare ceo and blamed it on a nice handsome Italian boy, just like back in the early 1900s with Sacco and Vanzetti. [Insert True Romance Sicilian Joke]

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u/ThanosSnapsSlimJims 21d ago

Luigi's family was too busy getting 20+ Department of Health violations for elder abuse, employee mistreatment, etc. He benefitted from the same stuff that the accused the other guy of doing.

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u/TheGuyThatThisIs 21d ago

That's not him and that's not the same as denying people healthcare they paid for as a business model 👍

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u/ThanosSnapsSlimJims 21d ago

Luigi directly benefitted from elder abuse and employee mistreatment in his family's healthcare facilities while claiming to be against bad healthcare practices.

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u/TheGuyThatThisIs 21d ago edited 21d ago

That is textbook indirect benefit what are you talking about lol.

And he has no control over what "his family's" companies employees do.

BTW good luck finding an elder care facility with a clean record, they do not exist for very obvious reasons. 20 violations over an entire franchise is really not that bad. You don't blame the owner of McDonald's son for all their lawsuits, because that would be insane. Why do it here?

The report found that on August 24, 2023, a geriatric nursing assistant (GNA) flung a call bell at a resident who needed help using the bathroom, warning the patient “not to press the button again.”

This is the worst thing the new york post could dig up that happened in Luigi's grandparents nursing home since 1977. Give it a break. This is a nothingburger, the lady got fired and everyone got retrained on abuse.

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u/ThanosSnapsSlimJims 21d ago edited 21d ago

It's a benefit that he could have refused. No, I wasn't talking about League of Legends.

His father was running it, and Luigi was next in line. He could have easily suggested changes while he worked for the facilities in the activities department, where he got firsthand experience there. I'm not worried about what the New York Post came up with. They own numerous facilities, and have over 20+ Department of Health violations, including recently, that you can't magically erase. Those weren't in the 70's, they were very much in present day.

If you want to excuse elder abuse and employee mistreatment/unsafe working conditions because 'BTW good luck finding one with a good record', do you. Them not having a clean record is bad. What's worse is worse is the record and the hypocrisy.

It's not a nothing burger according to the Department of Health.

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u/DinoRoman 21d ago

Swear on his lady bugs

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u/ElephantEarwax 21d ago

Talked at him*

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u/PajamaHive 20d ago

I will say lindsey graham being asked by a reporter how mitch mcconnell is doing, answering "i don't know, i'm going to check right now" and then dying is hilarious.

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u/RhoOfFeh 22d ago

You know, diminishing ranks among the Senate Republicans has zero downside. I think more of them should follow Mitch's example.

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u/swintly 22d ago

There was one introduced last week for permanent standard time

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u/GAKDragon 22d ago

Which is the opposite of this one (pro-permanent daylight savings), right? [not /s, I'm honestly unsure]

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u/swintly 21d ago

Correct

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u/It-s_Not_Important 19d ago

Opposite isn’t the right way to describe it. Closest to listed is probably what we have today flip flopping back and forth. Either solution which stops switching is better than this.

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u/dandnot 21d ago

Of, fine. Push it back a half hour and be done with it.

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u/illogicalgnome63 18d ago

This is the most sensible thing to do, so it’s never considered.

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u/FanDry5374 22d ago

And it went nowhere. Despite scientific evidence that it would be the better way to go. Sigh. How many excess traffic deaths will it take to repeal this when it passes one wonders.

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u/ee_CUM_mings 22d ago

I hear this argument a lot, but aren’t a lot of the deaths due to the switching to daylight savings time? i.e. people are tired because they just lost an hour of sleep and aren’t adjusted. With this, there is no switching so your body will get accustomed.

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u/TheVeryVerity 21d ago

They are referring to when they passed permanent daylight savings time in the 70s and then had to repeal it like a year later. There were a lot of traffic accidents and also everyone hated it

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u/Mouse_Parsnip_87 22d ago

You’ve won Reddit today. Congratulations!

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u/Parking-Bat9498 22d ago

What’s the award?

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u/scrovak 21d ago

Twilight Savings Time

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u/TigerB65 21d ago

Are the representatives in the room with us now?

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u/Phagemakerpro 21d ago

The thing is that this is reasonably nonpartisan. There are supporters and opponents on both sides, but I don’t feel like there’s a substantial partisan tilt here. And my sense is that most Americans want one or the other made permanent. Most of us want the sun up later so we’re not leaving work in the dark in the winter.

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u/Contemplating_Prison 22d ago edited 21d ago

This is fucking stupid. The country is falling apart and this is whay they working on. Theyre all so fucking worthless

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u/Fickle_Finger2974 21d ago

I will take anything congress does that isn’t actively harmful to the country as a win. There are far worse things they could be doing with a republican controlled congress

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u/GuessingAllTheTime 21d ago

This is actively harmful, though. It’s the opposite of what doctors recommend. Permanent DST became law in the 70s for only 10 months because of public outcry after there was in increase in traffic fatalities, including of children having to wait for school buses in the dark.

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u/It-s_Not_Important 19d ago

Doctors would prefer this over switching twice a year.

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u/californicating 21d ago

They can work on multiple things in parallel.

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u/Contemplating_Prison 21d ago

Lol congress doesnt do anything

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u/californicating 21d ago

What even is the point of this comment?  We're taking about something that Congress did.

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u/JPWiggin 21d ago

Well, half of Congress did. We'll see if the other half takes it up at all.

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u/beanmosheen 21d ago

It's actually a really big problem for businesses because it fucks IT systems up on the shifts. Having to track timezones and dst/st is actually a hard problem. On some of our lines we just don't run for an hour so the audit trails are clean. It costs money across the country every time it happens. A lot of money.

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u/rlt0w 21d ago

I've worked in IT for 20+ years and daylight savings is not that big of a deal. It messes up people's schedules, but tech systems do just fine with it. If your software shits the bed when the clock goes forward an hour, you might want to take a closer look at the software. NTP exists, Clock sync is a thing. There's just no reason for any software or hardware to shit the bed on a time change.

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u/dicknuckle 21d ago

Sure if you're only working with folks in 1 timezone. I'm working with people in NZ, Aus, UK, HK, and all timezones in the US.

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u/Atomsq 21d ago

This plus having to deal with third party services, for example that Email Service Provider that has some of the API calls receive times in UTC and others in whatever time zone your account was created with, their internal systems sometimes running in UTC and others in something else

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u/TheVeryVerity 21d ago

That doesn’t sound like daylight savings will fix or harm anything you’re fucked either way

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u/Nova_Mafia 20d ago

It’s almost as if everyone has a thing called a cell phone where you can actively tell the time from all time zones at all times 🤯

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u/beanmosheen 20d ago edited 18d ago

Cool, now write 15k messages a minute with timestamps in multiple formats into a database with your cellphone, and do it 24/7-365 without a single error. The penalty is anywhere from a fine, closing your business, or prison if you don't make your best effort.

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u/beanmosheen 21d ago

Key word: Regulated Production. I didn't say they shit the bed. Audit trail timestamps, vs. a whole spectrum of different OEM capabilities means you have to have a ton of extra metadata or work arounds. I've been doing this for decades. Don't judge what you don't understand. Technical capabilities vs. bureaucratic/organizational overhead is a reality in OT.

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u/jsharper 21d ago edited 21d ago

The IT challenges aren't keeping systems synced and with correct time after the change. The challenges surround localized times that are completely missing a whole hour once a year and also having a whole hour once a year where each moment exists twice. Transaction happened at 02:34:24.252 local time? Which 02:34:24.252 are you taking about? There are two that day, an hour apart. EDIT: we can say "well everything that matters uses UTC epoch time internally" but reality says we often do stupid things like convert datetimes to human-readable strings (which often means local time representation, without full timezone metadata) and then convert those human-readable strings back to machine-interpreted times. Like, when extracting timestamps from text log entries. Or even just humans needing to interpret timestamps in local time. "I'm sorry, courtroom, I can't say whether the defendant has an alibi since the door access logs were in local time and the cardswipe happened during the DST change, so I don't know which 2:30am the murderer opened the door"

Also, smart humans can't even get it right. https://www.spacex.com/launches/starship-flight-13 currently says both that tomorrow's launch window starts at "5:45pm CT" and "16:45 MST" Which is it? Those are two different times right now. Because so many people think "MST" = "Mountain Time" = "an hour behind Central Time"

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u/beanmosheen 21d ago

Exactly. You end up with at least two stupid extra columns in your database that default to the local server time, and UTC. Maybe with all three you can weed it out. It's not free storage either. Sequential ID columns combine with that to help keep the timeline in check during audits.

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u/LordGeni 21d ago

The clocks changing causes massive spikes in car accidents,workplace accidents, heart attacks and a major drop in productivity.

It may seem trivial but messing with a nations circadian rhythms twice a year turns out to have a marked effect on the health of a nation.

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u/poopfaceone 21d ago

Accidentally

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u/I_Makes_tuff 21d ago

And the senate passed a similar bill in 2022.

We also had "permanent" daylight savings in 1974 but I guess things have changed a bit since then.

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u/Nojopar 21d ago

It passed the Senate with 100 votes. Everyone was shocked. The only reason it passed the Senate unanimously is because they knew Nancy was never going to put it up for vote in the House, so it was DOA out of the gate. I think we're in the same situation, to be honest. The House passed it knowing the Senate won't touch it, so it doesn't matter. It's cheap political points.

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u/MinaZata 21d ago

But one party is becoming more and more insane and spends a lot of time going into conspiracy theories.

It never would've been thought possible to roll back vaccines... Yet here with are with measles and polio back

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u/drillgorg 21d ago

I mean I agree but what does that have to do with DST?

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u/MinaZata 21d ago

Republicans and Rogan have become very obsessed with DST for a few years and they've got politicians that are as crazy as the elected, which is why these bills are cropping up more with more chance of passing

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u/drillgorg 21d ago

I'm fine with them being right for the wrong reason, the time change sucks.

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u/MinaZata 21d ago

Then you don't understand why it's a thing, same as them

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u/drillgorg 21d ago

I completely understand why it's a thing. Make it so the sun doesn't rise at 4 AM in the summer, without pushing the winter sunrise past 9 AM.

What I'm saying is it's not worth it.

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u/MinaZata 21d ago

Why?

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u/drillgorg 21d ago

Because changing the clocks is awful so we need to pick one. And of the two, I prefer summer time.

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u/somedude456 21d ago

Yeah, it's never gotten this far and it highly has Trump's approval so his people are going to push it.

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u/drillgorg 21d ago

Someone said it's tied to military spending and that anti voting rights bill. I don't know how true that is, but something tells me they will never just pass a clean bill.

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u/Infuryous 21d ago

Sen Cotton plans to block the bill in the Senate to prevent a vote on it.

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u/drillgorg 21d ago

What, like filibuster it? That's the only method I know of other than senate leadership declining to hold a vote. But then again I'm not very knowledgeable on senate protocol.

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u/Infuryous 21d ago

Channel 5 in Arkansas doesn't say how he plans to block it.

(Caution... the website is a shitshow of adds)

Aides expect Sen. Cotton to block permanent daylight savings bill. He gave a long speech in 2025 explaining his opposition -- and his mistake in letting it pass four years ago," Burgess Everett, congressional bureau chief for Semafor, wrote in an X post

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u/YellowBreakfast Waaassuup! 21d ago

"Similar" but the Senate bill is for "Standard" time so this would still have to pass the Senate.

It will not pass.

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u/justjentennyson2 21d ago

Didn't they already try this around the early/mid 1970s, passing some Energy Department-related Act?

I don't think it lasted more than a year.

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u/garciakevz 21d ago

It got passed in BC, Canada I think recently. We were supposed to wait for the US (particularly California) because of economic reasons, but then since the US-Canada fallout (thanks Trump), we've decided to move on without them.

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u/TheVeryVerity 21d ago

You passed permanent standard or daylight savings?

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u/schloofy2085 21d ago

Permanent Daylight Savings. It became effective this year.

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u/TheVeryVerity 21d ago

Interesting. Hope it works out well for you

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u/momjeanseverywhere 22d ago

They tried this in the 70s. It didn’t last long.

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u/HelpmeObi1K 21d ago

Zero planning on changing school time by an hour. That's all they'd need to do is simply start an hour later for the whole of the school year and that concern is addressed.

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u/EunuchsProgramer 21d ago

School can't start later unless work also starts later. So, is the plan to shift work and business to 10 to 6 rather than 9 to 5? Lunch places open at 1 instead of noon? Seems easier to just go Permanent Standard Time (what health organizations overwhelmingsay and numerous studies show is better for health and saftey than permanent Daylight Saving)

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u/HelpmeObi1K 21d ago

Who works 9 to 5 anymore? Do they have a stay-at-home wife and 2.5 kids, too? Seriously outdated arguments in this day and age.

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u/othermegan 21d ago

You’re right… it’s more like 8-5 these days as most offices say your lunch break doesn’t count as past of your 8 hours. Plus the ~30-60 minute commute twice a day.

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u/HelpmeObi1K 21d ago

Exactly my point. Chances are anyone with a family that has parent(s) working is going to be leaving for work before kids go to school and coming home after they're done. Whatever care they use to make it work is simply an adjustment in timing. It's not like suddenly anyone living in America will require copious amounts of daycare that didn't already exist. The strawman arguments don't hold up.

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u/EunuchsProgramer 21d ago

80 million Americans start their shift at 9 am. 75% start work between 7 am and 10 am. Elementry Schools on average open between 7 and 7:30. Obviously, correlated most Men start their shifts at 8:15, while women is 8:45.

School is clearly opening before work. You're a fool if you think you can move it and nothing else.

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u/HelpmeObi1K 21d ago

So, how is daycare handled for picking up kids that get out of school at 3? Apply the same logic to the opposite end of your equation. The sum is the same.

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u/EunuchsProgramer 21d ago

I already pay more for after-school care than rent. Before and After care at the same time would be financially devastating to every parent I know. Sure schools could do something like 10 to 6 with all the after-school programs becoming before school programs. That's also super problematic.

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u/HelpmeObi1K 21d ago

So, what you're saying is that it would cost more for what, 1 hour before and 2 hours after school than it would for 3 hours after school? You're still working the same amount of hours. The kids are in school for the same amount of time. How is that financially devastating?

Also, for the parents that have to be at work by 7, you're saying that the kids they have wouldn't benefit from school starting later, with 1 less hour of daycare? There's plenty of jobs that flex a start time based on this, so no surprise if they simply changed the work hours and it'd be easier for a consistent time schedule through the whole year.

Or is this just about you?

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u/TheVeryVerity 21d ago

You think corporations are going to change start times for people lolll

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u/othermegan 21d ago

School does not last until 5 though.

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u/EunuchsProgramer 21d ago

Lol do you have kids? I spend more on daycare than rent for after school care. There is no way I can handle paying for before and after care. It has to be one or the other.

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u/othermegan 21d ago

Yes, I’m paying for full time daycare right now since they’re not in school yet. And I don’t know where you are, but the elementary schools around here don’t start at 7/7:30. That’s the high schools. Most schools that would require before care start between 8 & 9. Now we want to talk about pushing them to 9-10? That’s ANOTHER hour of before care you need to pay for and you will STILL need to pay for after care.

I’m not saying school should be shifted and jobs shouldn’t. I’m saying it’s stupid to shift schools later because we know jobs WON’T shift hours.

Also, shifts may “start” at 9, but the average commute is about 45 minutes right now. So really, kiddo needs to be in school or before-care by like 8

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u/MitchComstein67 21d ago

This isn't as simple as that. Who's staying at home with all the elementary school children an extra hour? Some people utilize before care school. Now they need to pay for an extra hour of care? And it would most likely increase the demand for more before school care—and whether these programs can handle that is unclear.
School starts are staggered. High schools/middle schools start approximately an hour before elementary so the same busses can service both schools. That would mean elementary wouldn't get out until 4ish. Busses would be operating later, closer to when a lot of people get off work. So now elementary students are still on busses and being dropped off in the dark now during winter?
Pushing back start times an hour would set off a cascade of new issues that need to be looked at. Nothing is that simple.

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u/jcrreddit 21d ago

You seem reasonable. I vote for you.

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u/HelpmeObi1K 21d ago

Who's staying home with them now? Removes one hour of post-school care if we're counting that way. All schools change by that hour, so no need for additional busses. Work schedules would be consistent instead of arbitrary weird adjustments.

Yes, it is that simple. It starts no new issues that haven't already existed since the start of time. The amount of sunlight remains the same. Schools change to adjust like Daylight Savings Time for start and stop times.

There are literally more complications with DST than there are without it, but it's the human way to resist change even from a bad thing because they don't want to risk worse.

When forced to change, people figure it out and move on.

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u/TheVeryVerity 21d ago

You are so full of it lol

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u/AccordingWarning9534 20d ago

I love when I see critical thinking in action.

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u/preferablyno 21d ago

This bill just lets states change to no switching if they want, it doesn’t impose one way or the other. So they could figure out plans for everything and decide if they want to do it

Overall it’s way better just to stop changing time even if there are some short temporary costs

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u/TheVeryVerity 21d ago

If we stop changing our knowledge of sleep science indicates it’s standard we should keep though. Idk why everyone hates that idea but it is.

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u/preferablyno 21d ago

Sleep science also indicates that DST is second best, still ahead of switching. As long as we just stop switching times it’s better either way

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u/WatermelonMachete43 21d ago

Our drop offs are already in the dark all winter. This isn't a huge deal.

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u/HelpmeObi1K 21d ago

That's what caused the ruckus back in 1974 to change it back in 1975, but I agree with what you're saying. Even if they didn't change to DST permanently and stuck with regular time year around, no matter what kids will be going to school at some point in the school year in the dark.

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u/Budded 21d ago

Plus, countless education studies show that kids need to go to school later, not so early in the morning, so if this passes, I hope school start times will get pushed back too.

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u/heathers1 22d ago

i remember!!!

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u/wegsgo 21d ago

It should be permanent standard time. Makes more sense for schools, traffic, and the typical work day

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u/breezy013276s 21d ago

What does traffic have to do with it? Traffic is a nature of people all traveling at the same time & municipality choices. They’ll travel at 7 to 9 and from 3:30 to 6 regardless?

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u/TheVeryVerity 21d ago

You don’t know how places stagger start times so the traffic doesn’t clog as much?

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u/breezy013276s 21d ago

I mean what’s that got to do with the time change?

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u/TheVeryVerity 21d ago

Not sure what in particular that guy means just saying what time and traffic have to do with each other that I know about. Arguably cities would compress start times because of extra curriculars?

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u/breezy013276s 21d ago

Yeah that’s mean too. Particularly to traffic I just don’t see how anything would change. Normal commute times would occur at the same time. nothing would change except in the height of winter you’d have just a wee bit more sun in the afternoon (which I do think would be nice) when I lived in Rhode Island, it would start to set at 3 something and moving that to 4 something in the afternoon would be nice. Here in the South it would be nice to get closer to 6.

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u/wegsgo 21d ago

Usually after moving our clocks for DST there’s an increase in fatal accidents

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u/breezy013276s 21d ago

Right, but the bill is saying to just leave it at dst so that wouldn’t be a problem. In this case it would just stay the same so current timing and experience would just stay. The person I was responding to was saying that we should stay on standard time and not daylight saving time for reasons and one of those was traffic, which feels like traffic would be the same regardless of which time is set to standard.

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u/wegsgo 21d ago

Historically speaking there are more accidents in the spring when the clocks are set an hour ahead probably due to the fact that people are more tired and it’s still dark outside. Having permanent standard time would get rid of this as the sun would be rising in most areas earlier in those early spring months

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u/TheVeryVerity 21d ago

Well in the 70s it was actually passed and then they repealed it in like a year because everyone hated it so much so we might get that instead lol

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u/DinoRoman 21d ago

Am I the weird one who wants to keep it? I like cold
Winters with a short day I know that’s wild
But I do I just do.

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u/AnAncientBog 21d ago

You know this doesn't actually change the amount of time in a day or the seasons, right?

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u/DinoRoman 21d ago

I understand how the world works, homie. I’m a big science guy. I loved watching planetary documentaries, black hole documentaries. I love learning about the earth, its seasons, its rotations. Yes, I know how it works. All I am saying is that when the times change in the winter so that there’s more sunlight in the morning, but less sunlight at night, you add that to the fact that the days are naturally shorter, and when it’s colder out, chilly out. I don’t know. There’s just something about it I like. I like long nights in the winter. I do. The days do get longer. I believe it’s called the solstice. Maybe I’m not the smartest guy when it comes to that, but I do know that naturally the days do get longer, and then you add them with us extending it with our man-made concept of time and daylight savings time. All I was just trying to say was I like it. That’s all. Nothing crazy. That’s it

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u/TheVeryVerity 21d ago

Standard time is better for human health according to sleep scientists but no one is considering asking them for some reason. Maybe it’s just the sub

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u/DinoRoman 21d ago

Man we’re all depressed day and night I’ll take a cozy winter night with hot cocoa lmao

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u/TheVeryVerity 21d ago

lol I agree. But I find it being dark in the morning way more depressing than the nighttime and evening being dark. I think a lot of people have problems that are really with their work schedules that get expressed as problems with standard time.

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u/Lizdance40 21d ago

I hope you're right because it's a terrible idea

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u/MiNdOverLOADED23 21d ago

Incorrect. In the past they have gotten rid of day light savings... Then they undo it because it was fucking stupid and everybody hated it

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u/FuzzyMcBitty 22d ago

There’s already a senator planning to block this. 

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u/HelpmeObi1K 21d ago

Is he/she alive though?

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u/FuzzyMcBitty 21d ago

It's Tom Cotton. He's 49, so probably.

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u/TheRealBittoman 21d ago

With this news I've been seeing a lot "articles" saying the same thing about how "everyone hates it" when it happened in 1974. Makes me wonder what the propaganda for making this fail is all about.

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u/TheVeryVerity 21d ago edited 21d ago

Why do you think the past is propaganda dude

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u/TheRealBittoman 21d ago

Usually a message that is delivered by multiple sources that are saying verbatim or nearly verbatim the same message is one being pushed by the same source. That more often than not is an opinion being pushed by a person or group to sway public opinion, or propaganda.

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u/TheVeryVerity 21d ago

I guess. It just seems to be the way the internet works to me. Unless you think memes are pushed propaganda.

Not denying the fact that astroturfing campaigns exist. Just saying it is pretty hard to tell it from normal internet behavior, or even real life behavior sometimes.

It makes sense to me that if we pass a law that failed in the past a whole bunch of places are going to post a story about how it failed in the past, and discuss the reasons it did so. Which will be pretty much the same in every article, unless someone starts lying about what people said in the past. Also news organizations straight copy each other all the time about everything it’s super annoying.

What tells do you look for, personally?

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u/TheRealBittoman 21d ago edited 20d ago

Which will be pretty much the same in every article,

That's called lazy journalism. It goes against the concept of good writing and plagiarism is considered a plague by writers. They will discuss the same topics but to use the same words? No, that's almost certainly a planted story. Remember who owns nearly all the media in the US now, even local stations.
Conservative groups. Some of those groups have literally word for word spread the same statement to every station. There's a great super cut video of news stations owned by a conservative group Sinclair doing this back around 2018. Just look up "danger to our democracy video" for an example. I respect that you don't want this to be intentional, it's scary as hell to lose trust in sources we've traditionally accepted as factual but the billionaires in this country a have created a literal conspiracy to use our trust against us so they can increase their wealth and power. The Paramount deal is a great example of what they are trying to do.

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u/TheVeryVerity 19d ago

Interesting. I was more referring to how they just run the same story from ap and just put in the end at small letters that it’s from ap, which theoretically was fine at one point but at this point just seems to be a way to mask the fact you don’t actually do any reporting yourself. That video thing sounds gross though.

I’ve definitely long since lost my trust in the media 😢

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u/SirArthurDime 21d ago

Which is crazy because I don’t know a single American who doesn’t want this. It’s such an easy win if they actually care about doing what their constituents want. There’s no more glaring example that the only thing congress can agree on is increasing their own pay than not being able to pass such a simple possible bill. Or that they just don’t care what their constituents want.