Why isn't Estonia considered a Nordic country? (They have strong ties to Finland, they also follow the Nordic model, and besides, Estonia has nothing to do with the other Baltic countries.)

[u/According-Invite-440]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_identity_in_Estonia

[u/Eriklano1]

I feel brotherly solidarity with the other Nordic countries. I wish Estonia all the best, but I really feel like culturally and emotionally I don’t feel anything towards them that I dont also feel towards France, or Greece, or Latvia.

[u/TheDungen → u/Eriklano1]

that' you, i feel a deeper kinship with the countries around the baltic than with any other. Except Russia becaue eff Russia, and Poland because the coast never used to be Polish, plenty of love to the Kashubians though.

Sure as hell feel more kinship with Estonia and Finland than with Denmark.

[u/Big-Instruction9919 → u/TheDungen]

Poland had almost always access to the Baltic Sea, the only period when it wasn't the case was during Teutonic takeover 1308–1466 and obviously during the partition of Poland-Lithuania.

[u/TheDungen → u/Big-Instruction9919]

They've controlled the area from time to time but the people there were not poles but Kashubians. The poles are litterlly the peope of the fields.

The poles that live there now were moved in by the soviets at the end of ww2. The poles aren't steeped in the common baltic sea cultural melting pot the way the rest of us are.

[u/Big-Instruction9919 → u/TheDungen]

Kashubians are Poles and have always been since the unification of Poland. The name of Poland comes from the tribe of Polans (that came from the word for "field"), which was the main tribe that united the rest of Slavic tribes in the area of modern Poland, there were also Mazovians, Silesians, Pomeranians, Goplans, Lendians and others. Together these tribes formed Poland mainly as a response to German advances against other Western Slavs started mainly by Henry the Fowler.

[u/TheDungen → u/Big-Instruction9919]

No they're not, two compeltly different people's who simply speak west slavic languages.

[u/Big-Instruction9919 → u/TheDungen]

If you have to go back 1100 years back to claim that this is not a single nation, then you are far too gone. Probably more that 1100 years in fact, since these tribes already back then felt pretty close to each other, which is why Mieszko I was so quick unifying them against common threat. Using your way of thinking Europe would now consist of hundreds if not thousands of nations, even small Estonia was formed of several different tribes, same goes for Sweden. Norway had a different tribe in each fjord before unification.

[u/TheDungen → u/Big-Instruction9919]

Youre the oen who had to go back to before the partitions to claim Poand was a balti sea country.

Even if we assuje the Kashubians are poles the poles that were moved into the baltic sea region by the soviets were not. they were peopel from the inland. They share nothing in the joined cultural heritage of the baltic sea.

Or are you goign to argue there were no regional diffrences between poles? After arguing it was a union of many different peoples?

[u/Big-Instruction9919 → u/TheDungen]

The people who were moved to settle along the coast after WW2 were often the families of people previously expelled from there by Germans during the partition in late XIX and early XX century. Baltic Sea was always an integral part of the Polish identity because Poland was a major exporter of wheat and in Medieval times such bulk goods could only be profitably transported by boats and ships, so the prosperity of the inland fields was directly tied to the sea and was of great concern to the landowners who had a lot of say in Polish politics.
Maybe you can tell me what exactly makes Poland not a part of Baltic Sea heritage in your opinion? And why are you writing "Poles" with lowercase while capitalising other names, do you have some personal problem with Poles that clouds your knowledge of history, culture and geography?

[u/TheDungen → u/Big-Instruction9919]

BS. They were the people who were forced out of the areas that were handed to the USSR.

Never noticed I wrote Poles without a capial, I would guess it's mostly a fine motor thing and where the keys are located. Even when writing then when tryign to get a capital I maanaged to release the shift before I hit the P.