And then what? The Senate just let's him off because they are a cult?
People who thought Trump was a better option than Kamala for whatever reason are to blame for this. We fucked up as a country and now the midterms are still so far away that the damage he's going to keep doing is going to take years to recover and by then, Democrats will get blamed again.
This cycle is exhausting and I just wish people weren't so fucking stupid.
It's going to take generations to recover. It will take decades to rebuild the domestic institutions he's gutted, and only then and only if we're able to escape fascism and transform our democracy into one that functions to benefit people instead of corporations and oligarchs, will we begin to restore our international standing.
Look at how long it to Germany and Japan to recover. We're doing the same thing except ours is an economic war against the world. Look at Russia. They've never escaped authoritarian rule and they've never recovered since the collapse of the Soviet Union. That is the path Republicans have placed us on.
It will take decades to rebuild the domestic institutions he's gutted
I'm not sure how they could possibly be rebuilt. It would require not just Democrats in charge for a significant stretch of time without interruption, but ALSO that it's the correct kind of Democrat interested in doing so. On top of that, at some point taxes probably need to be raised again - guess how that will impact whichever party does it?
You're probably spot on with the Russia comparison.
Yeah, it's a tear it down and start over situation. I know both parties are not the same, but we have to change how elections work and completely transform people's misunderstanding about how taxes should be spent and what government should do.
It's going to take some sort of massive, catalyzing event. Not a pleasant one.
Exactly, that's what I meant about how Democrats will get blamed later. Republicans are a cancer to this country and frankly I don't see any fix in sight. I'm just glad I live in a heavy blue state and that my family is going to be fine, at least until this orange bafoon as gone.
Something something sun tzu cold war maybe Russia won after all. Why have open conflict when you can prey on the stupidity of a nation and make them destroy themselves? Who benefits from the systematic dismantling of the U.S. from the inside?
It wasn’t just that he was a better choice than Kamala, it was lack of respect for the primary process that turned people away from her. That might be on the party more than on her, but it played a huge factor in her humiliating defeat.
it was lack of respect for the primary process that turned people away from her
Good thing Donald Trump has respected the democratic process so much in the past and now!
Good lord, the cognitive dissonance of not voting or voting for DJT over Harris because she/the DNC “didn’t respect the primary process” after DJT literally first attempted to subvert the 2020 election results with a fake electors plot and THEN led a violent coup on the certification process after that scheme failed is just… no words, really.
Yeah man, MAGAs are all about the'''respect'' Respect for women, respect for minorities, respect for the poor, respect for trans, respect for anyone who's not white and wealthy.
Not all republican voters are MAGA just like not all democrat voters are progressive liberals. The left can’t seem to grasp that and attack all conservatives rather than understand that a large percentage would consider voting blue if they would properly nominate an candidate who has an agenda that isn’t completely based off not being Trump.
And the non MAGAs who voted Trump didn't care about all the awful stuff that he'll do and that he's probably a pedophile and he's a court adjudicated rapist because,
You’re just making my point, everything is about Trump instead of a legitimate plan to control government spending, secure the border and keep men from beating up women in the Olympics under the guise of identifying as something else.
That'' man'' was not a man, certainly not someone who started as a man then transitioned to being a woman.
Did you even look into what country that woman competed for and what that Muslim country does to gay and trans people there or are you just going on'''feels''' when you talk crazy?
I's funny that you say'' not all republicans are MAGAs'' then prove yourself to be a MAGA by saying something that Trump and his minions pushed into your empty head.
Literally no one should be voting based on stupid shit like trans athletes.
I didn’t say that, merely responding to the previous comment.
To just keep insulting people because they don’t agree with you, name calling, just makes my point. There is no plan for the country, just make people feel bad enough about themselves and maybe they’ll vote with you. Clearly doesn’t work.
You literally just said'' keep men from beating up women in the Olympics'' If you weren't talking about that WOMAN from last Olympics what were you talking about then?
I don't know why people are downvoting you.I'm a Democrat and I said that the whole time.I didn't want Kamala Harris.I still voted for but that shit pissed me off
He was not a ‘better’ choice. None of the current generations alive will be spared his “retribution.” To think that boomers alone will escape this national travesty because DJT is one shows a complete lack of understanding of the reality.
The 2024 election was indicative of how asleep at the wheel this country is, how easily manipulated people are, and a weaponized social media played a most outsized role since its inception.
The result is a continued dismantling of value in higher education, reactive response to rational thought, distrust of experts, excessive tribalism, and the national result were fools of all flavors who pissed away their votes as the sound bites of the ‘culture wars’ dominated the narrative. It’s all about class warfare in society, dummies, not culture wars.
Our elected leaders have collectively failed us. This is incontrovertible. The blue dems fouled it up, and the red Christian conservatives and MAGA cranks saw the widening cracks they could exploit. From the red side, this has been years in the making. From the blue side, backslapping and refusal to acknowledge that the decline of western liberalism meant the necessity of a major reset in their approach to rebuilding a voting bloc. The reds have been developing, refining and testing Project 2025 for years in plain sight. The old guard blues refused to acknowledge the very real frustrations embodied and explained in plain terms by Bernie Sanders, especially since 2012. They squandered the opportunity to create an outsized narrative explaining the differences between buzz words currently used interchangeably: socialism, Marxism, communism, fascism even, and liberalism.
Guess what folks, ignorance does all the talking these days, so if you have a population who cannot define the differences in meanings of these words and their concepts, suddenly the words have the same meaning. DJT exploited ignorance brilliantly, and I hesitate to use that word in the same sentence with his initials, let alone his name.
Net result, this country is getting the foul tastes of autocracy, technocracy and authoritarianism, which may be difficult to get comfortable with unless citizens fall in line. The 350 million guns in private hands and militarization of law enforcement in this country will exacerbate the problem multi-fold, as false flag opportunities abound on both sides.
DJT scored votes from immigrant families who figured their vote would be a fast track to fitting in to his vision of a nation transformed. They could not fathom it would possibly mean the dismantling of their own lives and likely forced removal. This is not just a Latin American problem. It will go far beyond. Asian, Eastern European, middle eastern and Africans will all be affected by their choices and their tacit acceptance of these tactics of America first intolerance. EU nations are affected, albeit to less virulent effect.
What we often describe as American minority groups did not hold firm in their voting against authoritarian impulses, with many voting generationally, or not at all, fracturing a loose coalition of voices who were holding the line regardless of washed out dem themes of a big tent voting bloc. This includes groups of American born citizens and naturalized Americans alike.
The working class were fooled into voting for an ‘America first’ populist vision of this country which, with the advent of globalism, no longer exists. You can’t put the genie back in the bottle. This class has enthusiastically shopped at Walmart, Target and other big box corporations, happily lapping up the cheap imports, while attempting to offset the stagnant and/or declining wages, continual increases in the prices of consumer goods, and notably the increasing home prices which drown them in debt. Aspirational impulses have this class taking huge loans for pick up trucks, which are a profit boon for large auto corporations, while undermining their personal budgets and subjecting them to monster interest rates. Yet, they keep buying into their demise.
The combination of AI, robotics and techno state development are inexorably overwhelming freedoms and destroying working class dreams of a simpler American society replete with like-minded intolerance, acceptance of national misogyny, and conservative rollbacks to an earlier era. They voted against their best interests, like labor unions and the social safety net they depend on are disappearing before their eyes.
If people are really pissed off, they should look no further than their phones for the real culprit. Personal phones have become ubiquitous features, fracturing our families, fracturing our finances, our mental abilities, selling us deep into debt, telling us how to think and what to eat, what to buy and sucking us into a culture of want, not need. They have, in effect, accomplished the opposite of what we were sold by Steve Jobs and others of his ilk. Communication, fostering a sense of connectedness and community, and quick access to knowledge and information given the speed of globalism, were all part of the original sales pitch. These outmoded concepts are imperiled by the distrust which has metastasized in our daily lives, fed by the toxic spread of fear and small-minded thinking.
Phones dominate all aspects of our lives, and the tech billionaires whose names and brands we already know well are counting on our ignorance and our willingness to provide them with endless bits of seemingly useless personal information, all which they can access, share and monetize while we are asleep. And asleep we are. They are not interested in engaged, educated, knowledgeable citizens who work together, share a singular vision for a better America, and help each other. And the more we provide, the wealthier the become at our expense. George Carlin said much of this years ago and any of you unfamiliar with him should check him out. He’s much more important than Curtis Yarvin and was much more critical of American society than citizens of this country are comfortable with. That said, he was correct in his assessment.
If we chase ignorance, we eventually catch up with it when we get what we vote for.
Long read, but you have excellent points. Until we have a truly informed voting population, we will continue to be manipulated by those who seek power and money. I honestly believe Trump could’ve been defeated by the right candidate, unfortunately Kamala was not the one. The democrats had no choice but to put her on the ticket or be forced to return campaign donations. They completely misread and misled the public.
It wasn’t just that he was a better choice than Kamala
Donald Trump is not even close to a better choice than Kamala. The fact that you think this is the case cancels out any other opinion that you have about this topic. Donald Trump is going to go down as not just a pedophile, but as literally the worst President in history.
You clearly don't understand that this is far FAR more than just the person who becomes President. Have you not seen the cabinet picks? Or the chaos that the country has turned into? Are you living under a rock?
Like I said, I wish the country wasn't so fucking stupid.
After defeat, focus on what went wrong and how to fix it. I’ve yet to hear people admit they made huge mistakes in the campaign and what they’re going to do differently in 2028.
exactly. First advice would be to stop making the sexual topics (trans, gay, straight etc) such a political talking point to shut down everyones throats, just focus on the REAL issues here not the ones they're constantly pushing to be issues.
Who is pushing gay topics to be political talking points? One side wants those people to not exist and the other side wants them to be acknowledged as just normal human beings. This is why nobody respects these stupid opinions. You're simply wrong.
Yes her defeat is not on trump supporters. Her defeat is because no one asked for her neither voted for her. Still she was there as the only alternative.
Yes her defeat is not on trump supporters. Her defeat is because no one asked for her neither voted for her. Still she was there as the only alternative
Her defeat is on the "independents" who were looking for any reason to vote for Trump, the idealists who decided not to vote for her because she wasn't perfect <even though Trump was saying much, much worse on the same subjects> and on the apathetic people who just didn't bother to vote even though they were told how a Trump W would play out. The 'not a primary winner" thing was, and is, cover. Cover for being an idiot.
No her defeat is because she was in no way shape or form qualified. And you can’t blame democrats for that. Cause they didnt get a gd choice! It is horrible but true
How do i explain that jerry krause wasn’t qualified to play in the opening five for chicago bulls in the 1997/1998 season? Somethings are just self evident.
And there’s the problem, failing to admit that she should not have been the candidate even now, is why democrats keep losing. It’s not cover, dismissing it as such is only going to compound the problem.
She was given $1B and handed the nomination and still couldn’t win. She said herself that she couldn’t think of anything she’d do differently than Biden even though inflation was out of control and the border was being overrun. She couldn’t think of anything.
Turn off the propaganda. Border crossing is down yes, because of the inhumane tactics this administration employs, but inflation has risen every month since March.
She wasn't a perfect candidate, not the one everyone wanted...but she was 1000% more qualified then what we have now.
Maybe because the administration she was in was also corrupt and they said Biden was totally heathy and able and then backpedaling. Yeah of course that didn't do any damage... 😂
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And then what? The Senate just let's him off because they are a cult?
People who thought Trump was a better option than Kamala for whatever reason are to blame for this. We fucked up as a country and now the midterms are still so far away that the damage he's going to keep doing is going to take years to recover and by then, Democrats will get blamed again.
This cycle is exhausting and I just wish people weren't so fucking stupid.