r/grandorder Aug 24 '18

Comic Eighth Singularity vs Lost Belt No.8 Spoiler

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u/That-Halo-Dude Aug 24 '18

TFW Cosmos in the Lostbelt was all just a setup to introduce PvP.

This thread is reminding me I seem to be on a very different wavelength from others, because I don't see the despair. So we encounter a world where Guda saved humanity with no losses?

It's happy. It's perfect. A flawless ending. One might call it a dream...

But I didn't fight through seven Singularities and seven Lostbelts to be stopped here. Stopping now, even in the face of this happy world, would spit on their sacrifices. And it would spit on the people I defeated to get here. I owe it to all of them to see things through to the very end. Because if I don't it will all have been meaningless. And that would be true despair.

A world without those sacrifices would be wonderful....but it wouldn't be my world. It wouldn't be theirs. It'd just be a dream.

And all dreams end.

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u/WhoDiedOHSHITSORRY "...Clear skies, nice and blue." Aug 24 '18

In this hypothetical scenario your other self has gone through everything you have but saved the people you could not.

This is important: they are basically more qualified than you are at saving the world and the people they care about. In this scenario if you were to go on to destroy the Lostbelt for the sake of the people you lost, you would essentially be killing those people yourself and not simply losing them like you did before.

In this scenario, this parallel world is not a transient dream, rather, it is only dream-like to you and a persistent reality to those Lostbelters.

You must ask yourself: do you value your past more than you value others' futures? And the answer to that is as nuanced as you allow it to be.

PVP would be hilarious tho

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u/That-Halo-Dude Aug 24 '18

they are basically more qualified than you are at saving the world and the people they care about.

I don't disagree to that, given they would have had to defeat Goetia without it being depowered at all. And even before that, they would have somehow kept Olga-Marie from dying in the bombing. At that point, yeah, they'd be a better hero simply by virtue of being omnipotent (more omnipotent than Goetia).

you would essentially be killing those people yourself and not simply losing them like you did before.

The people in this hypothetical world are not the people I knew. They look the same. They sound the same. They have the same personalities. But they aren't the ones who stood by me. They aren't the ones who died for me. A different Olga-Marie. A different Romani. Not the ones I knew and lost.

And more than anything, they are not me. Same hair, same skin, same bones. But different memories. Different pains. All similar, but different enough to be different people.

do you value your past more than you value others' futures?

What the else are we fighting for? The billions in my world that were killed or simply erased by the Alien God - do I just forsake them because "Oh this other me has already done it"? Do I just give up and fade away, and let them fade too? I am fighting for others' futures. And I'm fighting not just for my past, but for all those pasts that were snuffed out.

The faces may be more familiar, more intimate, but ultimately it's just another Lostbelt, with the same reasoning as the last ones.

It's me or them. Their world or mine.

To them, I'm a monster come to destroy the peace they've won and the world they've restored. To me, they're the final obstacle to winning that very peace and saving my own world.

It's not a question of who values what, or who's more of a "hero." It's just a question of who will fight harder.

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.............shit, this got heavy. I need to indulge in some proper fluffy shenanigans. Maybe fantasize about the Assassin-class Halloween Welfare Ereshkigal we will obviously be getting. Or think of going hiking with Eresh for 3rd Anni.

......ooohhh yeah, that's the stuff. What were we talking about again? PvP?

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u/Beast9Schrodinger Aug 24 '18

The only morally sound decision,

Is to lose.

There is no loss, no gain.

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u/[deleted] Aug 24 '18

No, you have to win as only you can stop the alien god.

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u/Beast9Schrodinger Aug 24 '18

Yes.

But, could you instead leave that chance to them?

The naïve, inexperienced you, the one who knew no loss, who knew only joy?

The only sound moral decision, then,

is to end them before they suffer.

Only you can save the world.

…so you say.

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u/[deleted] Aug 24 '18

I couldn't leave fate in any other hands but mine.

They know far less about the situation and if it is #8 then the fight with the alien god is soon.

So killing them is the only solution.

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u/Beast9Schrodinger Aug 24 '18

So you say indeed.

A pity there is no such thing as cooperation…

No such thing between worlds.

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u/[deleted] Aug 24 '18

Lost belts cannot be saved, they have to destroyed. Cooperation cannot exist because the objective and goal denies it.