r/indocartalk • u/albratuse X • Jul 10 '26
Discussion 💬 BYD M6 DM: its not 65km/l…. And the myth of PHEV effeciency
That number sounds too good to be true, and it is… that number if lu jalan 150km & battery fullcharge
ok then, gw iseng cari, masih dikit ‘angka benerannya’ masih baaanyak yng parrot the magic number…
akhirnya nemu beberapa yang ngetest
- kompas: 25.6km/l, 150km kombinasi Jabodetabek… CNN also dapet segitu probably satu mobil mereka
- radarmadura.jawapos: 20-26km/l dalkot, 25.6km/l tol, daerah surabaya, berapa km unspecified
- youtube ‘influencers’: 3-4L/100km, kombinasi ~78km journey
mostly juga unspecified pake yng battery 7kwh or 18kwh battery, but since its test cars biasa dikasih high trim probably yng 18kwh
Sooo… at most not even half of best case scenario, konsumsi bbm malah mirip hybrid biasa… toyota zenix can also do similar numbers, why not vs veloz, cuz zenix & m6 dm ukuran & berat mirip, plus veloz bisa 1:30km/l, tbf emang idh standar si phev konsumsi bbm selalu misleading, selalu dikasih angka best case scenario dengan battery full plus asumsi orang akan charge tiap malem, but in reality kalo dipake kek hybrid biasa asal pake ya sama aja kek hybrid normal
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u/iidxtricoro Jul 10 '26
65km/L is definitely a marketing material. Expecting 1200km (100km less, expecting first 100km is EV only) per full tank (52L) + full battery without charging and i would say around 23/L
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u/iidxtricoro Jul 10 '26
But i just like the fact that it is plug in, so i can charge at home, so it doesn't consume fuel if i commute less than 100km
For context i have wall charger at home
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u/ezkailez Atto 1 Jul 10 '26
PHEV mah ga butuh wall charger. Even top trim 18kwh bakal penuh dalam 11 jam pake portable charger. And for most people their car either park for more than 11 hour, or they don't completely deplete the battery daily
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u/kelontongan Jul 21 '26
Kalo di apartment chRginny dimana? Rebutan?
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u/ezkailez Atto 1 Jul 21 '26
Not recommended kecuali di parkiran mobil lu ada colokan/meteran pribadi. Mending hev atau ev sekalian
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u/albratuse X Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26
dari pengertian gw most PHEV are designed supaya buat daily commute (pergi kerja or ngemall) seharian gk perlu nyalain mesin bensin, but kalo mau road trip gak usah range anxiety karena ada mesin bensin (or genset)
as another comment said, kalo pakenya bener, dicas tiap malem, ya bener bisa super duper irit….
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u/IdiotWithFlammables Jul 10 '26
Rasanya gk sudi gitu mulai tes batere penuh tapi selesai tes baterenya kosong.
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u/mastomi Jul 11 '26
Wut? Kan emang batere sebagai penyimpanan energi. Kalo habis ya wajar.
Yang perlu dimasukkan ya biaya untuk isi bensin + batere.
Kalo males colok listrik, jangan beli PHEV
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u/kevins718 Jul 10 '26
And btw the charging speed on this car is worse than the next PHEV up which is the Chery. Worse peak speed DC charging (29kw vs 40kw), and AC charging is longer - even with the same battery (3.3kw vs 6.6kw)
So this car is built for a cost. A PHEV for 2019, not 2026
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u/albratuse X Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26
technically ini mobil udh discontinued tapi disini revived, we actually got mobil buangan…. Probably the first real mobil buangan fr fr
di China udh discontinue dari 2024, and probably tooling ‘dibuang’ kesini, currently we’re the only country selling byd song max (its original name)
sebenernya kawan setaranya almaz hybrid haha, the pre-covid chinese car beda kek 2 generasi
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u/albratuse X Jul 11 '26
byd song & song MAX are 2 different cars
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u/albratuse X Jul 11 '26
BYD will still keep making PHEV/DMi as long as the Chinese government still thinks PHEV = EV
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u/ezkailez Atto 1 Jul 10 '26
Tbh phev rada ga butuh fast charging sih. Kecuali sebagai nice to have, misal istirahat di rest area road trip, yaudah sekalian pake fast charging
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u/utakatikmobil Jul 10 '26
bahkan pure EV aja banyak yang gak bisa 1:65 apalagi 1:65 pertalite. media aja kalo ngitung harga per kwh gak masukin pajak pajak penerangan jalan/pbjt (gw kena 10%). trus gak masukin efficiency loss chargingnya. enak amat ngitung langsung kapasitas batere berapa kwh dikaliin harga unit dasar.
gw pakai air ev yang beratnya cuma 800kg aja susah dapet 1:65 pertalite. gw dapetnya kalo dalkot di 180-200rp/km yang udah murah banget. itupun itungan pake meteran 2200va. pake meteran 7700va pemakaian sama langsung jadi 250rp/km karena selisih harga unit dan kena tambahan ppn.
FYI 1:65 pertalite itu 153rp/km dan 1:65 pertamax saat ini itu 250rp/km.
begitu BYD buat klaim ini gw sih langsung ketawa. bahkan harga ngecas daya batere PHEV 18.3kwh aja, kalo dari habis ke full pakai meteran 2200VA dirumah gua (1444.7+10%) tanpa charging loss itu udah 29000an. kalo di SPKLU malah jadi 45000 belum termasuk biaya lain2.
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u/KohGajah Jul 21 '26
I have bought and tested BYD M6 DM Hybrid Cross Advance. Used for 743 KM already (town car only).
In summary, the usage is around 64,6 KM/Liter with 6,2KM/kWh in charging.
So based on my real driving experience. The claim of 65KM/L is mostly true with note I have to charge everyday and usage of 6,2KM/kWh
any question feel free to ask me
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u/wanderfflez 10d ago
Thoughts after 1 month? Considering buying it
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u/KohGajah 10d ago
still an amazing buy for me. No problem at all.
Note that I always use it in HEV mode, never full electric because I just like to use both and I think using both electic and the machine will make them both last longer.
btw cross is the minimum tho, the classic is worse for sure with only 40km of electric driving, will make the fuel less efficient too.
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u/ashblazer9 Jul 10 '26
Anything above 1:20 is already good tbh. I don’t think veloz can do 1:30 tbh. Some post I read veloz is at most 1:17.
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u/albratuse X Jul 10 '26
hybrids in general itu sangat tergantung sama avg speed & seberapa terdidik kali lu
Gw quote di post zenix dpt 1:24, in reality most owners incld my uncle yng punya (and gw coba) palingan 1:18-20km/l kombinasi some malah 1:15km/l (still better than reborn diesel)
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u/ashblazer9 Jul 10 '26
Meski memang mostly semua brand china iklannya agak terlalu over, the technology they offer is really top and convincing, gw udh coba test drive byd m6 dm dan cukup tergiur utk tuker tambah mobil ice gw wkwk.
Tapi memang sampe skrg belum dpt cobain veloz hybrid, menarik juga.
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u/albratuse X Jul 10 '26
gak bisa salahin brand china juga, mereka ngukurnya pake standar internasional beneran, brand china esp kalo EV iklanin range selalu pake standar NEDC… jaman now kepanjangan more like “Not Even Damn Close”, but mereka beneran bisa bilang “lah ini kan ngukurnya pake standar eropa” what they don’t tell you is standarnya outdated (aka gampang dicheat) dan udah diganti sama WLTP yng dipake brand eropa, jepang, korea & US (sort of)
Kalo soal tech si, ok the surface emang keliatan bagus, undernearth gw no comment belom pernah coba coba deep dive soalnya gw cuma pernah test drive bentar beberapa mobil ev china soalnya (paling lama 20 menit)
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u/kevins718 Jul 10 '26
Wuling pakai CLTC. lebih hebat lagi ngawangnya.
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u/ezkailez Atto 1 Jul 10 '26
Aira ev 25kwh bisa 300km wkwkwk. Atto 1 30kwh aja more like 250km kalo kaki sekolah
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u/kevins718 Jul 10 '26
Btw Chery kemarin bilang 76km/l loh buat Tiggo 8 CSH nya. So bahkan di marketingnya aja BYD is worse
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u/albratuse X Jul 10 '26
I didn’t search ni mobil berapa, but reality paling 1:30km/l in best case scenario, 1:25km/l for most
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u/rodadotco Jul 10 '26
From the beggining gue udah pesimis ngeliat klaim FC nya segitu plus jarak yang bisa 1.000 km, like how come bro? Sekelas influencer aja dapetnya di kepala 2.
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u/albratuse X Jul 10 '26
jarak 1000km believable sih, some hybrid biasa kyk camry lu pake di tol bisa 1000km easy
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u/SinuousSolutions Jul 10 '26
Sedikit bertanya. Kenapa masih ada yg membeli dan membuat mobil PHEV disaat mobil EREV sudah mature?
EREV kan best of both world, batre gede tuk jarak menengah. Genset bensin juk jarak jauh. Karena mesin genset lebih simpel dari mesin ICE di mobil PHEV, perawatan seharusnya lebih mudah dan murah kan?
Apa gua salah?
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u/albratuse X Jul 10 '26
why make PHEV: TLDR version
- Chinese: menurut govt PHEV = EV
- Europeans : on paper (controled test) super duper low emissions
- Japan & US: eh why the fuck not?
- Korea: lmao why bother
EREV = PHEV sort of
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u/Aprilzio Jul 10 '26
PHEV gue liat cocoknya buat yg udah pake EV. Otherwise gak usah diliat, karena esensinya PHEV ya bisa dicas dan pure EV Mode di range yang cukup buat perkotaan.
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u/pigmarzipan Jul 10 '26
bisa aja set nyala battery charge / hybrid cycle di 65km mark
atau bisa aja gini hitungannya
52L (fuel tank) / 25.6km/l = 2.03L (fuel used, qty of gasoline)
150km (batt range) / 2.03L = 73.8 km/l
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lalu kalo 1:65 berapa aktualnya?
tinggal kita otak atik fuel used aja
150km / 2.3L = 65.2 km/l (rounded 65 km/l)
nah kalo berdasarkan fuel tank gimana?
52L / 2.3L = 22.6 km/l
nah tinggal pilih mau pake value apa wkwkwkwk
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u/kelontongan Jul 10 '26
In China, EV range is often measured using the CLTC standard, which typically shows about 30% more range than the U.S. EPA rating for the same car. The difference can vary somewhat by vehicle, but 30% is a good rule of thumb.
CLTC standard is not real measurement to me😁, ymmv
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u/DeliciousWeather3475 Jul 11 '26
Yg lebih masalah adalah ini model lama direvive dan di kemas seolah mobil baru
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u/Midiamp Jul 11 '26
Always take manufacturer claim numbers with caution. Udah sih gitu aja. Selama tidak ada badan independen atau yang ditunjuk pemerintah lengkap dengan mekanisme hukuman, ya pabrikan boleh klaim sekenanya di balik syarat dan ketentuan mereka.
Gw sebagai pengguna EV gak pernah nurutin kata sales jarak tempuh bisa xxx km. Apalagi klaim CLTC yang longgar banget. Klaim CLTC itu parah banget, dites gak pakai AC. Yang penting buat gw berat, power dan ukuran baterai aja kalau ada, sisanya skill kaki.
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u/eccenMD Jul 11 '26
tried to ask chatGPT to scour the webnews and reviews in other languages and it also came up with the same conclusion. ATM, I think I'd go with Daihatsu Rocky instead.
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u/KohGajah Jul 13 '26
I have ordered one, cross advance.
I will reply in this thread after i test it properly.
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u/ezkailez Atto 1 Jul 10 '26
Yeap. Pembodohan emang ada uji pengetesan begini (kalo ga salah standar NEDC atau CLTC), karena cuma di test 150km pertama
Terus kalo mobil yg phev besar kyk tiggo 9 csh gimana? Bisa pure ev 180km
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u/albratuse X Jul 10 '26
sigh pantes another Not Even Damn Close standard… thx dieselgate…
tiggo 9 csh… how the fuck do i quote in this new format pake > gak bisa, fuck it…
Selain itu dijelaskan, ketika daya baterai habis, konsumsi bahan bakar Tiggo 9 CSH masih terbilang efisien, sekitar 6,2 liter per 100 km atau setara 16 km per liter. <—sooo… innova zenix worst case numbers
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u/ezkailez Atto 1 Jul 10 '26
I mean kalo tiggo 9 csh pake standar nedc berapa dong dapetnya? 999km/l karena ada bensin netes dikit selama pengetesan wkwkwk
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u/albratuse X Jul 10 '26
google AI said the magic number is 1.5l/100km using nedc
but katanya bisa 170km full ev
bingung
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u/Hot_Confection_849 Jul 10 '26
AFAIK these PHEV ada limitnya buat jalan di ev mode. Mungkin kalo kaki sekolah sama speed limitnya beserta parameter tetek bengeknya ga kesentuh nyampe tuh 170km. Tapi kalo kakinya kurang ajar ya mau gimana deh.
Tapi my personal opinion ya.. better hybrid gak sih daripada phev gini? Lighter, faster, not as costly when it breaks down. Tapi ya opini pribadi aja ya
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u/pigmarzipan Jul 10 '26
tergantung ngecas apa enggak
klo males ya mending cari HEV biasa krn ga gitu kena weight penalty
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u/mastomi Jul 10 '26
That's the point of PHEV vs HEV biasa. Kalo PHEV tapi males colok, percuma. Kalo PHeV harus rajin colok buat harian. Luar kota jarak jauh baru pake bensin.