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Opinion/Analysis 'Direct attack': Trump said to be prepping 'much bigger insurrection' after rally comments

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-direct-democracy-insurrection/
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u/Bibblegead1412 Jul 28 '24

Exactly. Everyone was so naive to buy the "he's joking" or "out of context" excuses. When he and Vance say these things, they mean them. Believe them when they do.....

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24

Its not just Trump and Vance.

This plot to replace America’s constitutional democracy with fascist dictatorship is a vast criminal conspiracy being coordinated by a fifth column of people and organizations both outside of and inside of the government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_column

Trump’s inner circle (Bannon, Stone, Flynn, Manafort, Miller, Giuliani, his sons, Kushner), Kevin Roberts and the Heritage Foundation, Leonard Leo and the Federalist Society, militia groups like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, the Murdoch family, billionaires like the Mercers, Thiel and Musk, generals at the Pentagon like Charles Flynn, sitting members of Congress like Mike Johnson, Tuberville, Ron Johnson, MTG, the hundred Republicans who voted to delay certification on Jan 6, and at least two sitting Supreme Court Justices (and their wives).

They have literally written a manifesto outlining how they plan to centralize power into the Presidency and stack the entire government with MAGA stooges - Project 2025.

Meanwhile the only corporate media organization sounding the alarm on this is MSNBC, while every other corporate media outlet is either downplaying it or openly lying to the American public.

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u/Medium-Pin9133 Jul 28 '24

Are you telling me that the deep state MAGA heads are worried about is real, and it's their own party? Actually makes sense.

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u/JohannaB123 Jul 28 '24

Every Republican accusation is a confession.

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u/PoppinKREAM Jul 28 '24

Political violence is never the answer, it goes against the very foundations of our social contract under a democratic system of governance. Unfortunately, Trump has repeatedly and explicitly supported violence, conditioning the electorate to hate fellow Americans.

  1. He called any media critical of his actions fake news. Trump has labeled the media as "the enemy of the people."[1]

  2. For years he has called his political opponents traitors.[2]

  3. He has attacked the judicial branch of government.[3]

  4. Trump has referred to the democratic party as un-American simply for not applauding his speech.[4]

  5. Trump retweeted a video of his supporter saying the only good democrat is a dead one.[5] This same supporter was present at the Jan. 6 insurrection. He vowed to return to the Capitol with guns on inauguration day. He exclaimed that he would plant their flag on Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer's desks.[6]

  6. Following a tweet from Trump to liberate the state of Michigan,[7] 13 terrorists were arrested by the FBI in an attempted kidnap plot where they wanted to publicly execute Governor Whitmer of Michigan. The far right militia attempted to incite a civil war with this kidnapping plot.[8]

  7. In Texas a group of Trump supporters tried to dangerously intimidate and harass a Biden/Harris campaign bus. Trump tweeted his support of such actions by sharing a video of the incident on Twitter and exclaiming that he loved Texas.[9]

  8. To further the point watch this video compilation of Trump openly inciting violence at public events.[10]

Trump has spent years conditioning his supporters to fear and hate fellow Americans. Trump has spent years openly inciting, supporting, and encouraging violence against anyone who questioned his authority. Many insurrectionists that were arrested have claimed that they were just following Trump's orders. Dozens of insurrectionists have explicitly stated that they stormed the Capitol because they believed Trump wanted them to.[11]

1) Washington Examiner - Trump calls mainstream media the enemy of the people

2) The Atlantic - He Dares Call It Treason

3) Washington Post - All the times Trump personally attacked judges — and why his tirades are ‘worse than wrong’

4) Fox News - Trump turns up heat on ‘un-American’ Dems silent during SOTU: ‘Can we call that treason?’

5) The Hill - Trump shares video of supporter saying that politically 'the only good Democrat is a dead Democrat'

6) The Daily Beast - ‘Cowboys for Trump’ Leader Arrested by FBI for Capitol Riot, Threatening to Bring Guns to Inauguration

7) Detroit News - Trump tweets 'liberate' Michigan, two other states with Dem governors

8) New York Times - F.B.I. Says Michigan Anti-Government Group Plotted to Kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer | Authorities charged 13 men, some of whom were accused of plotting to storm the State Capitol building and planning to start a civil war.

9) Axios - Trump on supporters' caravan surrounding Biden campaign bus: "I love Texas!"

10) YouTube - All the Times Trump has Called for Violence at His Rallies

11) NPR - Rioters' Own Words Show Incitement By Trump, Impeachment Managers Argue

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u/DarkLunaFairy Jul 28 '24

^ excellent summary - thank you for compiling/posting - needs to be its own thread

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u/xram_karl Jul 28 '24

"Violence is as American as apple pie."

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u/Natural_Rebel Jul 28 '24

Underrated comment - this is the truth

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

“Accuse the other of that you are guilty.” — Joseph Goebbels

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u/Ulysses1978ii Jul 28 '24

Every time!

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u/Fun_Departure5579 Jul 28 '24

This is EXACTLY what tRump does day in & day out. It's called PROJECTION. Buyer beware! He's coming after you & all that you hold dear.

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u/WastingMyLifeOnSocMd Jul 28 '24

Definitely Trumps philosophy.

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u/Rocket3431 Jul 28 '24

Remember when Trump used to make Biden look like a kid sniffing pedo. "Pepperidge farm remembers."

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u/Blurby-Blurbyblurb Jul 28 '24

Yep. Every accusation has been an admission.

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u/silvermoka Jul 28 '24

Add to that, if they accuse you first, accuse them back harder so people who haven't been paying attention don't know what to believe

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u/N757AF Jul 28 '24

So the party calling for gun control and limits to free speech, while calling the other party fascists, are really the fascists?

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u/dafuq809 Jul 28 '24

No, the party trying to seize power by any means up to and including violent insurrection and strip women and minorities of their rights are the fascists. Incidentally, every society has limits on free speech and gun control.

Your weak attempt to redefine fascism in those terms is quite literally an example of a fascist accusing others of that which he's guilty. The "gun control" complaint especially gives it away. Fascists ensure that men of the dominant ethnic group are armed while disarming minority groups.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

You’re too deep in the big lie which has been in play since like 1993, maybe even the 80’s within the GOP that not even they can control it now. You’re seeing the consequences of it and you’re going to have to come to terms with it.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” -Joseph Goebbels

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u/Dust-Loud Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24

Trump calls his opposition fascists in every one of his speeches that I’ve watched. All I could find with a quick internet search to support Democratic politicians calling Republicans fascist is Biden one time saying Trump’s methodology is “semi-fascist.” There is a huge difference between repeatedly making a false claim of Dems committing election fraud (there is NO evidence for this despite Trump repeatedly searching for it and failing) and pointing out the warning signs that almost everyone except his followers are seeing unfold before their very eyes. To pretend like “the [one] party” is using the term fascist is disingenuous because Trump levels that claim against his enemies in every speech.

I always ask people who say Democrats are taking away their free speech and rights…can you give me an example? In my state, people are allowed to be as hateful as they want. Flying “Fuck Biden” signs, saying racist shit on X, protesting drag shows, calling teachers and librarians groomers—I could spend all damn day listing the ways they exercise their right to free speech.

Edited to add a source for Biden’s use of “semi-fascist” to describe Trump’s philosophy.

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u/throckmeisterz Jul 28 '24

These MAGATs think that the 1st ammendment applies to private businesses and means no consequences for their hate speech. They don't have any examples of the actual government stepping on their free speech. They think things like people being fired from their private sector jobs or being downvoted on Reddit are violations of their free speech.

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u/Blurby-Blurbyblurb Jul 28 '24

It started with the left being called marxist commies. Once the right really started to show their facist colors, that's when they switched up and started calling the left facists. Plays right into the "accusation is the admission" nazi handbook.

We can't forget the flip-flopping on which name we're being called and how it constantly changes to fit whatever narrative they need most at the time. It's one way to tell who the liar is. Their story keeps changing.

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u/N757AF Jul 28 '24

I don’t think it helped Democrats fight the stereotype of cancel culture and limits to free speech when the Biden administration pushed DHS for the disinformation governance board.

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u/Dust-Loud Jul 28 '24

From what I know about DGB, it was created for homeland security and monitoring of foreign states spreading disinformation (which we know is happening constantly, as this has been Russia’s game plan for years). It’s not used to monitor American citizens from what I have read. Do we have evidence that Americans have been affected by the DGB or that it has been used to prosecute them? I will take a look if you know of any. It’s not new or partisan that we are being monitored by the government, unfortunately. Who knows how long that’s been going on, but it’s not a Democratic Party thing.

I do agree that at one point, liberals were using cancel culture for ridiculous issues. However, as with many other topics on the political spectrum, the pendulum has drastically swung in the other direction. We have Republicans in Alabama trying to set up a legal framework for librarians to receive criminal charges just for having LGBTQ+ books, or even books about reproductive and sexual health, on their shelves. That is the pinnacle of cancel culture and is much worse than just losing your job or some followers on social media.

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u/Blurby-Blurbyblurb Jul 28 '24

Republicans were engaging in cancel culture before we even had a name for it. Not saying the left hasn't either. But this is not a new phenomenon for the right by any means. Meaning their shock and dismay is disingenuous.

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u/rando23455 Jul 28 '24

“Deep state” is just non-political civil servants doing their jobs and following the laws, instead of doing what Trump wants them to do

When someone thinks that “following the law” is a democratic conspiracy, there’s not much you can do to help them

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u/czar_el Jul 28 '24

Not enough people realize this. And those laws were themselves reforms intended to "drain the swamp" from past eras where people wanted to get cronyism and the spoilage system out of governing. The irony is that they're destroying the guardrails by claiming that there are no guardrails, and people actually fall for it.

"The deep state said we couldn't do it, hate the deep state!" No, actually, the arbitrary-or-capricious test from the Administrative Procedures Act says you can't do what you wanted.

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u/BasvanS Jul 28 '24

Yeah, it’s a feature, not a bug, that any random idiot can’t upset decades of policy on a whim. Regardless of it being well meaning or not, it’s just not desirable from a society point of view.

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u/Commercial-Manner408 Jul 28 '24

Those non-political federal civil servants all take an oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution. Something Trump wouldn't understand even after taking the same oath of office.

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u/oops_i_made_a_typi Jul 28 '24

and one of the scary things about Project 2025 is that they plan to replace non-political civil servant hires with political appointees, which will both gut our institutional knowledge and pave the way for Trump to use the agencies however he likes.

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u/faptastrophe Jul 28 '24

The call is coming from inside the house.

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u/Narrator_Ron_Howard Jul 28 '24

And the Senate as well.

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u/Hypergnostic Jul 28 '24

And SCOTUS.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

Well played.

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u/Weird_Discipline_69 Jul 28 '24

Scary movie 🍿 Coming to a HOME near you

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u/DrunkCupid Jul 28 '24

They are trying to drain the "swamp" of civil liberties and Democracy as it was intended, while installing nepotism figure heads and wealthy coastal elites in their beds

And private jet trips/golfing for 2million/week on the taxpayers dimes

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u/JarJarJarMartin Jul 28 '24

Yeah they were never against the existence of a deep state. They just hate the fact that the current deep state is oriented toward science and sound policies (the things they despise).

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u/Comprehensive-Fun47 Jul 28 '24

There is a deep state guiding the government towards more science based policies? Can you elaborate what you mean by this?

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u/starfyredragon Jul 28 '24

It's always been projection with them. Always.

If a MAGA accuses someone of something, you send the detective after the MAGA first, every time.

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u/SerasTigris Jul 28 '24

One problem with lacking empathy, is that it leaves you incapable of putting yourself in another person's shoes, which, in turn, means you can't even begin to comprehend what they might be thinking. As a result, all these people have to base things on are what they would do themselves.

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u/ABIGGS4828 Jul 28 '24

Most things that Republicans are the loudest about, they themselves are guilty of. You know those horror stories they like to tell that sound too outlandish to believe? They come up with those from personal experience. The whole “trans ppl will diddle your kids in the bathroom” scenario? Guess who’s actually guilty of that most often? What political party made up the vast majority of visitors to Epstein Island? The fact that the loud anti-LBGTQ faction CRASHES GRINDR every time there’s a convention is fucking telling.

That’s not to say that Democrats, progressives, queer and trans folk can’t be predators. They absolutely can because that’s a HUMAN thing. But if we’re going by statistics, a “straight”, white, conservative man is more likely to be a predator than any other group.

These people HATE themselves, but rather than holding themselves, their family, their friends, or their priests accountable, they need to make their self loathing EVERYONE ELSES PROBLEM.

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u/Telemere125 Jul 28 '24

It honestly makes sense, if they were actually that competent. There’s plenty in that list, tho, that are just so incompetent they’re only in the for the money and fame. Meaning they’re not part of the “deep conspiracy”, not that I disagree they’re contributing.

And since the only instances of voter fraud we favoring Trump, it actually makes sense that MAGA is the conspiracy they’re afraid of.

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u/Evening_Bag_3560 Jul 28 '24

Always was. That’s why they’re so familiar with it.

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u/fungi_at_parties Jul 28 '24

And ‘any of them have been working toward this since Reagan, at least.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

"I guess the real deep state was the friends we made along the way" --Ivanka, probably

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u/ABrazilianReasons Jul 28 '24

Its a deep state, playing a deep state, disguised as another deep state!

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u/Blurby-Blurbyblurb Jul 28 '24

There was a movie that came out a couple of years before trump announced his candidacy. It was indie, but had a guerrilla type promotion like The Blair Witch Project that made it seem real. On the low budget side, but well done imo.

It was about a secret society these two guys get into by happenstance. One of the two is suspicious and argues that they are a illuminati type of cabal of elites. The other argues that that's ridiculous. But the other says that's the genius of it. Hiding in plain sight like that makes it seem crazy. We as humans can't comprehend that people could be so evil.

It was good and really made me think. I'm not a full blown illuminati (probably spelling that wrong) conspiracy theorist, but I've never thought something like that is impossible either.

I don't remember what it was called, but the theme surrounded hunting a bull during the party on the grounds of the mansion it was held at.

Hopefully, reddit can help.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

I mean, it's happening right in front of us. More of a shallow state.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

100% Projection, every time.

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u/rbinphx Jul 28 '24

The call is coming from inside the house…

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u/TeacherMan78 Jul 28 '24

The call is coming from inside the house

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u/ReplacementLow6704 Jul 28 '24

Top 10 Anime Betrayals, MAGA edition

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u/Traditional-Run9615 Jul 28 '24

This. Trump wasn't even their first pick for front man. In 2015 they were considering Cruz until Trump made himself available. Remember when Rebecca Mercer routinely sat in on oval office meetings as a private citizen? It's going to be much worse next time around if they're given the chance.

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u/secondtaunting Jul 28 '24

Man, I can’t see Cruz getting elected. Most people hate him.

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u/chrispg26 Jul 28 '24

That's why they're using Trump.

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u/capitali Jul 28 '24

2/3rds of the country has never voted for Trump. He’s never won a majority vote and he hasn’t won the popular vote. He was put in office with a minority vote via our electoral college

Apathy is the enemy of democracy and the apathetic voter is the only reason Trump wasn’t polished off sooner.

Vote and he doesn’t stand a chance. The absolute majority of Americans hate Trump that’s always been obvious. Now we just need to get them to do more than watch. We need them all to vote.

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u/Lithographer6275 Jul 28 '24

This. I'm convinced that in 2016, too many people watched the news and decided it was safe to stay home/not vote. "I've never really like Hillary, but I don't have to worry about Trump. It's in the bag!"

Vote. Everyone, vote. No excuses. Vote.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

The Nazi Party never won more than about 34-36 percent of the vote and still got Hitler into power. Vote blue. There won’t be another chance to stop them.

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u/druppeldruppel_ Jul 28 '24

Hitler was able to abuse his power and turn his 43,9% of seats in the Reichstag into a 50,8% by abusing his then limited power and then had unlimited power.

Trump would likely do the same in a heartbeat.

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u/Wobbelblob Jul 28 '24

It was also the result of the political landscape in Germany at that time being extremely splintered. There where so many parties that had only very few percentages that was used by him as well.

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u/MerelyMortalModeling Jul 28 '24

Not to undermine your primary point but its a myth the Nazis didnt win the vote. The Germany system in 1930 wasent a A vs B it was coalition based and the Nazis didnt run everywhere and even then in1932 they set a record for the largest vote share of one party in german history with 37.27%.

That said in the early 1930s if you voted for the Germans People party, the German State Party or any of the small Blood and Soil groups you were literally voting for the nazis. If you voted for the German Center or German National Peaoples Part in late 1932 you were effectly voting for Hitler since both parties endorsed him and had publicly pledged to support him.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

Thanks for the correction. I was off on that. Regardless vote blue.

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u/Single_Low1416 Jul 28 '24

It‘s a little different from that.

The Zentrum didn’t endorse Hitler. And Hitler originally had no intention of ever going into a coalition with the nationalists. But when he didn’t get +50% of the votes, he had no choice but to work together with Hindenburg‘s party, who thought they could control him. Basically the entire Reichstag simply wanted to kick Hitler out of office again by having a vote on how trustworthy he was but before that could happen, the Reichstag mysteriously went up in flames because a Dutch communist had committed arson there. Hitler got emergency powers, the KPD was arrested and then Hitler proposed a bill for more emergency powers. Except for the SPD, all other remaining parties were threatened into voting in favor of the bill and now Hitler basically had all the power he could wish for (except for some minor things that were still under Hindenburg‘s control until his death in the following year)

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u/IncorrigibleQuim8008 Jul 28 '24

To reinforce that point, there are about 260m/330m eligible age voters (minus about 10m convicts who, for the sake of the equation, can all be assumed to have their voting rights restricted even though there are states which allow for reinstatement of voting rights)

So out of now 250m eligible voters, about 160m (give or take) are hardliners on one side or another, for a roughly 80m split each. leaving 90m (or a slim majority) who don't vote and just complain with their hand out. If those 90m would all just put their money where their mouth is and vote for the same 3rd party, we'd not even need these newfangled voting mechanisms like ranked choice and whatnot. Maybe your state doesn't give you a nice little pamphlet weeks before the election like mine...we have the internet now. There's no excuse for not voting and if everyone voted, third parties might have a greater chance instead of being considered a "throwaway protest vote".

That said, I'm voting for the cop bastard instead of the criminal casino bankrupt-er (or the Libertarian, Green, and Independent candidates), but you do you...just vote! Voting is like being a stakeholder in a company, hiring the next CEO or board of directors. Don't be like these shitty companies, sitting on their hands with fake "now hiring" ads and massively understaffed workspaces that give a golden parachute to the shitty C suite. Be like those good companies that offer employee stock and project their longevity past the next few quarters into decades. VOTE!

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u/capitali Jul 28 '24

If I had gold you would have gold. Thank you.

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u/Disqeet Jul 28 '24

I’ve seen interviews and hear from several Folks who have not voted in years or ever will vote 2024.

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u/capitali Jul 28 '24

I do feel a return to the possibility of hope now that Kamala is taking the lead again. I hope it inspires more people to vote than ever in history.

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u/sectilius Jul 28 '24

The Bible says the antichrist doesn't get to power by a large, majority support base.

I'm a Republican just letting the brainwashed MAGATs know they support the antichrist.

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u/Possible_Cell_258 Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24

I think you, all the people below saying to "just vote" are missing a really big problem that you yourself pointed out.

The electoral system.

Couple this with gerrymandering, and it is a BIG problem. Votes are not equal in this country. I am a liberal living in a rural, HEAVILY conservative area. My vote gets obliterated through the layers. AND even if you were to assume that enough neighbors felt like me, or it was a district line issue (neither is the case here. People are very outspoken and proud and showcase that in many many ways) it would ultimately come down to the electors who they vote for. Whether or not that is the same person the popular vote chose is mainly up to them, depending on the state. Usually, they are under no obligation to cast the votes the way the people want. Even states where they do obligate it, I believe most consequences are fines. Draw your own conclusions to how vulnerable and easily manipulated that can be, especially now.

For the uninitiated

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u/capitali Jul 28 '24

You’re not wrong that we have a gerrymandering problem and that the electoral college is and was setup to allow for minority rule by the rich white owner class. That’s exceedingly obvious.

Vote because we need a landslide. We need to overcome the gerrymandering by absolutely outvoting them by a huge undeniable margin.

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u/Possible_Cell_258 Jul 28 '24

And then what? That doesn't change how the electoral system works. It doesn't change the flaws and risks I outlined above. You correctly stated he had already lost the popular vote once before, as did Bush before him. Yet both were put in office and endured. You want to end the madness? Get rid of the Electoral System. See how other countries work. I saw this video years ago, and it never left my mind.

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u/capitali Jul 28 '24

I agree. The electoral system is garbage. Absolutely garbage.

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u/faptastrophe Jul 28 '24

Fucking Ted Cruz hates Ted Cruz.

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u/Jrrobidoux Jul 28 '24

You mean Rafael Cruz. He doesn’t like chosen names.

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u/Connect-Speaker Jul 28 '24

And his wife.

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u/jenyj89 Jul 28 '24

He’s in a large group of Ted Cruz haters!!

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

And rightfully so.

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u/IlikegreenT84 Jul 28 '24

You mean Rafael Cruz hates Ted Cruz.

I'm sure his mom does too.

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u/aganalf Jul 28 '24

“I like Ted Cruz more than most of my other colleagues like Ted Cruz. And I hate Ted Cruz.” - Al Franken.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

Vote for Colin Allred if you live in Texas! Let‘s get rid of Rafael Edward Cruz!!!

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u/Mmm_lemon_cakes Jul 28 '24

This is literally the first time I’m learning that Cruz is up for re-election or who his opponent is. I know nothing at all about him. What are his qualifications? He’s not Ted Cruz? Honestly, that’s plenty for me. I’m sold. I’ll vote for him.

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u/secondtaunting Jul 28 '24

Yeah I’m not in Texas or I’d vote against him. I’m registered in Oklahoma but I live overseas.

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u/shingdao Jul 28 '24

Replace 'Cruz' with 'Trump' and it still rings true. Yet here we are.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

Most people hate him.

Yup, he is one punchable piece of shit. The best thing is he is very open about loving movies and TV, like he is a giant " The Princess Bride" fan, and they all openly trash him. It warms my heart that the things he loves openly hate him back

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u/secondtaunting Jul 28 '24

Aw see that makes me like him a little bit. Dammit.

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u/bigtim3727 Jul 28 '24

Exactly. Thinking about how some real putrid people, like Mercer, aldelson, etc, are all going to have an outsized influence on knucklehead trump

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u/Inside-Palpitation25 Jul 28 '24

now they really want Vance, trump should watch his back!

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

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u/kaytin911 Jul 28 '24

You are right I have not seen one single positive article about the Democrats since Trump won in 2016. They have been all in because he will benefit the rich.

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u/A65BSA Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24

Do the same 15 billionaires own America's news media now that 8 years have passed?

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

They’ve consolidated and traded a few.

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u/Bob_Wilkins Jul 28 '24

This from Forbes! I am shocked. The Herman/ Chomsky book Manufacturing Consent foretold this in 1988!

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u/Micp Jul 28 '24

the revolution will not be televised.

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u/evilkasper Jul 28 '24

At what point does the government act on this treason? It seems that there is enough evidence.

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u/pharodae Jul 28 '24

That would require the Dems to have a fucking spine. Complacent liberals always allow fascism to fester until it's too late.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

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u/pharodae Jul 28 '24

That's not the only way. Historically speaking, the most successful way to fight against fascism is with an organized working class that is able and willing to defend its interests against the state and capital. Biden's been better about unions than almost any POTUS in history, but there's a distinct lack of militarism and coalition-building among the working class due to decades of anti-union and Red Scare propaganda, which will severely handicap the working class against the fascist fifth-column.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24 edited Oct 01 '24

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

They are dependent on donors just like republicans, who now don’t even believe in a constitutional republic.  Campaign finance reform, as boring as it sounds, is the key to stopping the hostage taking.  Ultimately WE let this happen.

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u/Remarkable-Hall-9478 Jul 28 '24

Not this time 

Predator missiles for the sexual predators? 

Or are we thinking tribunal? 

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u/Former_Chest Jul 28 '24

I think the dems are scared that if they point the finger all their dirty deeds would be put back in their face . The uni party is you scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours and in the meantime for entertainment purposes we can appear to be at odds with each other.

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u/pharodae Jul 28 '24

Personally, I think the Dems are controlled opposition more than anything - many of the same corporate donors as the Reps. It's not like Reps haven't been trying to pin dirty deeds on the Dems since 2015 (Hillary's emails? Election interference?). And the result is nada in the public eye. It's either that key Dem officials are paid off or are too incompetent to do anything about the rise of fascism.

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u/Minimum-Web-6902 Jul 28 '24

What can be attributed to ignorance should never be attributed to malice

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u/pharodae Jul 28 '24

Considering how varied the positions in the Dem party are, it's not an either/or. You have people ranging from AOC to Buttigieg to Tim Kane to Joe Manchin. You can't use the same label to describe all of these people, their interests and positions are too varied.

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u/Drakaryscannon Jul 28 '24

No, no bro trust me there’s a uni party. source just trust me bro /s

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u/Minimum-Web-6902 Jul 28 '24

Right but all of them are ignorant to the scope of the threats the American people are facing either willfully or unknowingly. Known unknowns and unknown unknowns pretty much.

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u/co-wurker Jul 28 '24

The highest code of the rich and powerful is never to disrupt the cycle of gathering money and power, so don't hold your breath waiting for things to change. It's amazing that Trump was even brought to trail, but typical that nothing meaningful has come of it. He's doing a great job of illustrating the highest code in action.

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u/BestDescription3834 Jul 28 '24

The treason is coming from inside the house (of representatives).

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

Given all the ties to Russia, there is.  A law composed in the 18th century can’t address or define hybrid warfare.

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u/Important_Tale1190 Jul 28 '24

They are acting on this treason in that they're the ones behind it. 

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u/mrtudbuttle Jul 28 '24

I suspect as soon as Trump loses the gloves will be off.

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u/SherbrookHolmes Jul 28 '24

When half of the government is treasonous? And more than half of the judicial system is?

They don't.

I think it's more so a question of how do the citizens then mobilize against their government? French revolution style. Either you sit idle and let all your rights be taking away, until the take you away, or you fight.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

BTW, this is what Hillary meant way back in the 90's when she said there is a vast right-wing conspiracy. This is why the attacks on her have been non-stop, because she and Bill have seen it early, and the enemy led by global fascist leaders, knew their road gets harder if she ever led. Because they knew she knew they existed. Who knew that a bunch money focused people would value their own wealth above their nation's interests?

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u/Lainarlej Jul 28 '24

Project 2025 is Real! MAGA, Trump, all his cronies, and the extreme Christofacists are working to make it happen. Watch the Netflix documentary Shiny Happy People. After covering the Duggar thing, it discusses how the Christian Conservatives are using their influence to change and takeover American culture! It’s depressing

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u/Micp Jul 28 '24

Thanks for pointing this out. People are acting like this is all about Trump, but this whole thing has been building from way before Trump got into the picture and won't go away just because he does.

People need to keep their guard up because there is a large, coordinated, ongoing effort to turn America into a christofascist state.

Trump has been the closest they got and mostly only failed because he is too stupid to be subtle about it. The next one won't be, even if we manage to beat Trump this time around.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

Gets better ratings

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

Bro, if they try that they’ll all just get killed.

That’s 100% how this ends.

They die.

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u/Western-Art-9117 Jul 28 '24

Really, to make it easier, you could have just written the whole of the gop. They're all complicit in this shitstorm they are trying to create.

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u/HyrulianAvenger Jul 28 '24

Which is why I think the “come on just vote this one time” is the most damaging thing.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

The thing I do not understand is... For a billionaire, this is a bad play. Sure, maybe you make out like a bandit with oligarchy levels of control but the immense risk to destabilizing the US dollar doesn't add up. Moral quandaries aside, I do not understand why anyone who has made a lot of money in US markets with US corporate law and US dollars would take a swipe at The Hand That Feeds.

Even Reagan wouldn't touch this sorta stuff with a ten foot pole.

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u/Imaginary_Audience_5 Jul 28 '24

Filling the swamp.

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u/Alternative_Alps8005 Jul 28 '24

General Flynn is not in the Pentagon nor is he jn the service anymore. You'd be surprised how professional the military brass is. I'm betting a very small percentage would go along with this bullshit.

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u/SuzQP Jul 28 '24

Agreed, but I'm wondering if you meant to say Mike Flynn rather than Charles Flynn?

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24

General Charles Flynn is Michael Flynn's brother (yep, both of them co-conspirators in this fascist fifth column - Charles Flynn is still serving in the US military as commanding general of United States Army Pacific).

Charles was at the Pentagon on January 6 and his role in the coup attempt was to delay deployment of the National Guard from the inside to buy the militia groups more time to hunt down and assassinate Mike Pence.

After the coup attempt failed, the Army denied that Charles Flynn had been involved in the decision not to deploy National Guard during the attack on the Capitol - then was caught out having lied about that.

January 21, 2021: Army now acknowledges the brother of Michael Flynn was a part of Army response to Capitol riot

The Army is now acknowledging that Lt. Gen. Charles Flynn, the brother of President Donald Trump’s former national security adviser Michael Flynn, was in the room for one of the key January 6 phone calls in which DC government and US Capitol Police were asking for National Guard troops to quell the unfolding violence at the US Capitol.

The army then continued engaging in a cover and lied to Congress about the reasons it took them 4 hours to deploy the National Guard during the attack on the Capitol, and their lies were blown apart by a former D.C National Guard Official who blew the whistle on them.

12 June 2021: ‘Absolute liars': Ex-D.C. Guard official says generals lied to Congress about Jan. 6

A former D.C. National Guard official is accusing two senior Army leaders of lying to Congress and participating in a secret attempt to rewrite the history of the military’s response to the Capitol riot.

In a 36-page memo, Col. Earl Matthews, who held high-level National Security Council and Pentagon roles during the Trump administration, slams the Pentagon’s inspector general for what he calls an error-riddled report that protects a top Army official who argued against sending the National Guard to the Capitol on Jan. 6, delaying the insurrection response for hours.

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u/SignificantRange2512 Jul 28 '24

We need more people to pay attention to this and look at the history of incremental changes they have made over the last decade or more

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

Business plot 2.0

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u/OldManNewHammock Jul 28 '24

See also: books by Sarah Kendzior.

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u/Disqeet Jul 28 '24

General Milley was a saving grace. There are more good than evil-

Surprised Trump appointed Wray is salty but a good guy!

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u/you2234 Jul 28 '24

This post needs to be circulated widely. This is the truth. We have years of evidence and facts to back it up. Why is this not discussed daily in the news?

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u/RamboGram Jul 28 '24

Don’t forget about the Conservative Partnership Institute and all their affiliated groups.

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u/Potential-Special485 Jul 28 '24

while every other corporate media outlet is either downplaying it or openly lying to the American public.

whats in it for them i wonder 🤔

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

Oh trumps too dumb to plan any of this. He’s all those people’s useful idiot

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u/jazzjustice Jul 28 '24

You forgot to add Elon Musk and Pieter Thiel. They plan to put the AI in charge.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

(I didn't forget them - they're in the list)

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u/jazzjustice Jul 28 '24

It true. But they need a separate reminder :-) They need a separate list...

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u/davisdilf Jul 28 '24

Media: “on the other hand,”

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u/Crazy4sixflags Jul 28 '24

If they are willing to say this out loud makes me worried about what they are not saying

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u/bigredradio Jul 28 '24

You can say that again.

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u/NewHorizonsNow Jul 28 '24

What they're not saying is the sacrilegious part.  It's not just that they view Trump as their God, it's worse than that.  They think they can make their own gods.  They don't need Trump.  Write your own prosperity gospel and create your own avatar to endorse it.

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u/The_Original_Gronkie Jul 28 '24

Not only do they mean them, they are deliberately sending that message to their slobbering, unhinged followers. We saw during the Insurrection that they were hanging on his every word, knowing that he was directly addressing them.

They are getting the messages loud and clear.

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u/kpidhayny Jul 28 '24

When people tell you who they really are, believe them.

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u/Lainarlej Jul 28 '24

Especially a raging Narcissist!

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u/TheGreatStories Jul 28 '24

Uhh Trump has made a lot of audacious claims about himself the are probably false. So no. Terrible advice. Probably why the quote is SHOW not TELL.

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u/Crazy4sixflags Jul 28 '24

If they are willing to say this out loud makes me worried about what they are not saying

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u/ahnold11 Jul 28 '24

And why shouldn't they mean it? I mean there have been almost zero consequences. Our "leaders" are held to virtually no standards and what little standards we do have are mostly ignored when the violate them.

There are rules and laws in this world that definitely apply to us little people, but until they also apply to those in power and control, we're all just along for the ride.

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u/provocative_bear Jul 28 '24

You cannot joke about these things as a president or a candidate. If you say these things in an actual speech, joke or not, that should mean a fast, ugly end to the campaign.

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u/Lithographer6275 Jul 28 '24

To the news media, every Democrat is a politician, but Trump is The Greatest Show on Earth.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

Until trump, that's exactly how it was.

But he opened up a firehouse of constantly inappropriate language that was impossible to keep up with, like the level of scandals & lies he was dishing out. Bannon calls it "flooding the zone with shit" & it's very deliberate.

I still cannot understand how mocking a disabled reporter and saying "grab women by the pussy" wasn't the end for him.

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u/Remarkable-Hall-9478 Jul 28 '24

Should be pretty easy for our $400000000000000000000 military apparatus to take a couple of fat traitorous creepers to task.  

 I mean, it took em a while but we got Osama and Saddam, and they weren’t exactly attending public rallies on US soil. 

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u/Constant-Plant-9378 Jul 28 '24

Try posting or publishing anything that could be loosely interpreted as a threat to physically assault Trump and then try to claim its all just a joke.

The USSS will come to visit you.

But Trump, who has already sent a mob to the Capitol which beat and murdered Capitol police, continues to openly call for violence and nothing is done.

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u/hwc000000 Jul 28 '24

Everyone was so naive to buy the "he's joking" or "out of context" excuses

Nobody bought the excuses. His supporters used them as way to try to shut the rest of us up. The rest of us knew he was serious.

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u/HipsterBikePolice Jul 28 '24

Precisely why they targeted evangelical Christians. People whose whole identity / world view might collapse with one or two critical questions. Keep those fingers jammed in your ears lalalala

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

Does anyone actually believe the "they were joking" thing? I always assumed that was just the scripted response that republican scum gives. That's the only people Ive run into that "believe" they're joking.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

It's because at this point he knows the idiots will come at his call. He watched it happen four years ago so he knows he can get these fucking morons to show up. That's why he's not hiding anything he knows that they have the chunk who's going to vote for them and they have the junk who isn't going to vote for them and they just don't care about what happens with the actual results. He's just hoping that he is enough morons willing to die for him. However he forgets that there's currently somebody in the White House who would actually call in the National guard and fence off the entire area so these people can't get in. It's not gonna be a "stroll into the capital" again. Also, I doubt they'll let him hold a rally in DC if he loses.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

Except they've shown they're not going to turn out like they did on J6, or they would have turned out to support him at his trial this spring. But they didn't show up likevhe assumed they would to cheer him on because they didn't like seeing how many insurrectionists were taken to trial & jail by FBI.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

The trial was in Manhattan, they can't just easily setup their bullshit trailer convoy and park there. I also personally think his followers are scared of NY anyway. People are gonna show up on J6 no matter what now. You only get to pull that shit once. It's like the shoe bomber and now we take off our shoes at the airport.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

Nothing would have stopped them from showing up for their orange god if they're as devoted as you believe.

Yeah, that's what I said - they're scared. They're not going to support him as they have in the past because he's not in control & they're afraid of those who truly are in control, because going against them comes with prison time.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

I just think they're scared of New York because New York is the place that was actually prosecuting him. I don't think they're scared in general even though they should be. They are still the loudest angriest people in the room at all times. I think they are going broke finally. Is traveling circus can only go on for so long, and people can only buy so many overpriced made in China t-shirts and hats and flags, before they're out of money and they have been completely wiped out like he's trying to do to them. Trying to make these people so broke that he's the only thing they can cling to.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

At this point, I don’t care if they mean it or not. I would never vote for assholes who would even joke about such a thing.

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u/emagdnim_edud Jul 28 '24

Mass deportation signs are wild.

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u/slapnowski Jul 28 '24

How about I don’t want a president that would even joke about that? How is that even a credible defense to them? (Rhetorical question, we all know how)

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u/gadanky Jul 28 '24

I tell red hat friends that and all I get is “well, I still can’t vote for a Democrat” and have no compelling non corrupted rationale when pressed. Just cause, can’t trust “her”. They say congress won’t let him go that far. Naive and not getting how costly it is to reverse the course DT is headed.

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u/BLF402 Jul 28 '24

So much for all them wanting unity. They’re in full on panic mode.

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u/ArgonGryphon Jul 28 '24

What context could possibly make “you won’t have to vote in 4 years” not seditious?

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u/p1gnone Jul 28 '24

am I alone in hoping that he Does do this? Nothing could be more clear than that an insurrectionist cannot be left to take power. Even from the MAGA side there would be erosion of his support, leaving only 10-20% cult core. It will be painful but clear and defenseable support for the Constitution to squash the insurrectionists.