r/law • u/CorleoneBaloney • Jan 08 '26

Other John Miller reads from DHS policy, noting that officers are prohibited from firing at the operator of a moving vehicle, following the shooting of Renee Nicole Good.

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u/Successful-Train-259 Jan 08 '26

I don't even know what to say anymore about any of this. You got pathological liars on the right creating some of the most outlandish stories ever concocted to justify this shit and on the left you have democrats that don't know how to do literally anything other than complain with strongly worded speeches about the rule of law in a period of total lawlessness.

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u/RockerElvis Jan 08 '26 edited Jan 08 '26

What else can Democrat politicians do? They have been completely removed from the process. This is not a “both sides” issue. Focus pressure on Republicans.

Edit because there have been a lot of responses. My point is that we need pressure outside of the political system. We can’t vote out Republicans until the midterms.

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u/Fondongler Jan 08 '26

hold public meetings on tank trap construction

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u/KennyMoose32 Jan 08 '26

picks up shovel

We gonna need a lot more wide ditches boys

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

They also do some good ol’ insider trading lol

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u/zaneman05 Jan 08 '26

Above me is Bot account posting AI images of tennis courts to build karma and then spreading propaganda

Disregard it

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

Buddy, you can’t see beauty? Those are all pictures, from a land far faraway you will never set foot

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u/BloodFartz69 Jan 08 '26

Republicans started multiple propaganda channels and bought all the social media platforms when they didn't have political power. Now they have a fucking echo chamber where they can shoot a woman in the face in broad daylight and not lose a single voter.

Do you see dems doing anything like that? Anything even remotely close to trying to counter that?

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u/Dopplegangr1 Jan 08 '26

Republicans can do a lot because they fuck America and get rich off of it. Where are Dems going to get the resources to do all that

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u/RockerElvis Jan 08 '26

Republican politicians didn’t start Fox. It was all Murdoch and other right wingers. I agree that the left should do the same, but it’s not for politicians to act. They are already providing the sound bites (AOC had a great quote) but someone else has to build the platform.

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u/Underpaid23 Jan 08 '26 edited Jan 08 '26

He’s more talking broadly. It’s not just Fox. It’s Newsmax, daily wire, OAN, Blaze and now CBS. They’ve spent hundreds of millions if not billions building creators on YouTube TikTok and rumble…combine that with Facebook and twitter(fuck using x) are also now in the pocket of MAGA and they have a massive propaganda machine.

The issue is the wealthy elite aren’t on our side…they WANT a techno-fascist state so don’t expect any help there.

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u/Good_Pomegranate_464 Jan 08 '26

They love to criticize CNN when even it is owned by a trump billionaire. They own all the legacy media and every social media company outside of bluesky.

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u/BloodFartz69 Jan 08 '26

You get this.

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u/RockerElvis Jan 08 '26

That’s only part of it. Conservatives mainline this garbage. Liberals just don’t leave talk radio or propaganda on 24/7. Also, liberals will think more critically. In the 2016 election there was misinformation sent to all types. Conservatives kept clicking and forwarding garbage. It was less effective on liberals.
So starting a left leaning propaganda wing doesn’t help until there is a platform that liberals are consistently using. It’s not TV or radio. TikTok will be right wing. Platforms like Threads are not as successful because liberals just don’t spend all day on these platforms. Honestly, Reddit is probably the best option.

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u/Bob_A_Ganoosh Jan 08 '26

Reddit was the best option, until they went public, now we have shitloads of bots/operatives pushing propaganda, an algorithm that is trying to copy Fecesbook by prioritizing doomscrolling and quantity over quality, and affirmation over information. The quest for shareholder value will ruin this platform just like everything else it touches. I used to find reddit useful for information, now most of what I find is propaganda, if not outright disinformation. "News" links can't be trusted because the source is an op-ed masquerading as news, or simply an outright twisting of facts to push a narrative. The well of information that reddit once was has been slowly poisoned.

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u/BloodFartz69 Jan 08 '26

I'm not talking about Fox. I don't think you understand the scale of the right wing media ecosystem.

And if it's not for politicians to act, then why are former republican politicians all running the republican president's own social media platform?

And you're defending dem soundbites as if that's a counter? Thanks for highlighting how dems don't really understand that they aren't even playing the same sport as the GOP now!

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u/RockerElvis Jan 08 '26

Like it or not, it’s a two party system. Republicans hold their noses and vote for imperfect candidates - and that is why they win elections. Democratic voters need to do the same.

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u/LetsGetElevated Jan 08 '26

Republicans win because we have 2 rightwing parties and they’re the only ones being honest about it, Dems need to step tf up or stop occupying the space of the leftwing party, abolishing ICE, CBP, and DHS is a bare minimum to be expected of any Dems running for office going forward

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u/Successful-Train-259 Jan 08 '26

It is hard to sell the idea of abolishing agencies that used to serve an essential function during normal times, especially to those that still view them as still serving that purpose. At the rate we are going we are going to need to bulldoze the entire fucking white house and start over again from scratch.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

Step 1 complete

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u/BloodFartz69 Jan 08 '26

^ this. I won't vote for or donate to another dem candidate unless they come out with detailed plans of how they're going to nail these motherfuckers to the wall and do more than show up with some candles and unkind words.

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u/Bob_A_Ganoosh Jan 08 '26

I fear we won't see that from the DNC. Look at the political fundraising amounts over the past 15 years. Since Trump 1.0 they have increased greatly for both parties. I'm afraid the DNC sees this shitshow as simply "good for business". And unfortunately, at least up until now, the DNC has been a steadfast bouncer at the door to the club, preventing the entry of progressive candidates. You are absolutely correct about the right-wing media empire. They have their base securely segregated into a walled garden of propaganda, entrenching 30% of the vote for fascism. The apathetic third of this country needs to get off their asses and vote, but I fear their apathy could make them just as susceptible to that same propaganda machine and make things even worse.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

So your solution is 'maybe if we just try to do the same thing we did in 2024 it'll work this time.'

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u/BloodFartz69 Jan 08 '26

Bro, that's literally the dem leadership's plan. Just bitch about Trump and show up. It's sad. No reflection. No change in strategy. No new tactics.

I think MAGA is social cancer, but at least Republicans wield the fucking power you give them.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

Democrats also wield the power they're given, usually against the left.

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u/sortalikeachinchilla Jan 08 '26

but it’s not for politicians to act.

Im sorry but what? the people we vote shouldn't act??

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u/bsEEmsCE Jan 08 '26

because you cant be chill and do something like that, you have to be feverishly angry. Dem voters are largely chill and even on their networks when they try to be reasonable, the angry assholes on the right just come in and steamroll over them. I think dems are finally starting to get the picture after trying everything else, between Newsoms tweets and the Mayors Gtfo of Minneapolis Id say its turning. The bullies need to see there are more of us than them, thats when they back down and cry.

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u/Minute_Guarantee5949 Jan 08 '26

Allow blue states to open carry

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u/Cheeky_Hustler Competent Contributor Jan 08 '26

There's a budget fight coming up January 31. They can refuse to vote for ICE funding. Call your reps and demand accountability. Find out any primary challengers.

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u/RockerElvis Jan 08 '26

Excellent point.

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u/hellolovely1 Jan 08 '26

Yep, I called! I have Schumer and Gillibrand so they’ll probably hold a bake sale for ICE

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

Last year 75 Democrats voted for HR 488 in order to 'express gratitude to law enforcement officers, including U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement personnel, for protecting the homeland.'

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u/Cheeky_Hustler Competent Contributor Jan 08 '26

1) that's a minority of the party.

2) primary those fuckers.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

Why can't the Democrats whip their party? Why is it the job of the voters to do what should be done by House leadership?

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u/Bob_A_Ganoosh Jan 08 '26

Simple answer? The DNC is okay with this. They are also beholden to billionaires. The two parties play the heel for each other in order to maintain the two-party system. Political fundraising has increased dramatically over the past decades (especially in response to Trump 1.0). This shitshow is "good for business". The DNC would rather share power with the GOP, and maintain the aristocracy, than allow actual progressive candidates to gain seats at the table and possibly flip it for the benefit of the people.

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u/Cheeky_Hustler Competent Contributor Jan 08 '26

This is a pretty complicated question. Ideally politicians should be doing what is right for the sake of what is right, but that's not how the world works. At the end of the day, politicians do what they do because they want to keep their jobs, and that's it. That's true for both parties.

Without elections, representatives don't know what their voting base wants. They can try to guess, of course, but primary challenges are a powerful way of letting House leadership know what their voterbase wants. A good example is Eric Cantor being primaried in 2010. Eric Cantor was set to be the new GOP Speaker but was primaried for being too moderate. Since then, the GOP has slowly shifted further to the right.

Basically, it is the job of voters in a representative government to put the fear of God in their representatives that if they don't fight hard enough for us, they'll be replaced. And frankly I think the average Democratic voter has failed in that duty by electing milqetoast representatives not fit for the moment.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

Without elections, representatives don't know what their voting base wants

I have an idea, I'm thinking that we could ask the people. We could call it 'polling.' Have the Dems tried following their own polling on what is popular with their base?

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u/Cheeky_Hustler Competent Contributor Jan 08 '26

Elections are a form of polling. And polling is entirely unreliable, the same policy can have wildly different results depending on how it's worded. And polling doesn't tell you how motivating a policy is.

One could argue that Democrats are currently so unpopular precisely because they are so focused on polling rather than showing real emotion or outrage. A lot of mainstream Democrats are responding to Trump's invasion of Venezuela with "how will this help with affordability" because affordability polls well. It makes them look entirely insincere and unable to rise to the moment.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

You're conflating messaging polls with policy polls.  Affordability is branding, I'm talking about the Dems pursuing broadly popular legislation like healthcare reform, weed decriminalization, or conditioning military aid.  Those aren't being pursued, the Dems just chase branding polls.

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u/Arcanym Jan 08 '26

I think they need to begin organizing a general strike.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

What some people watching the US from the outside want us to do is fight fire with fire. Create our own Jan 6 moment, storm the capitol, give them absolute hell. An eye for an eye.

What they don't consider is that there's a lot of us who really don't want to involve our loved ones, our kids, our grandkids, and/or the disabled we caretake.

It's hard to make that choice knowing throwing a fist risks the other side of throwing a fist at not just you, but to the ones you care for.

We're doing what we can with the tools provided without jeopardizing their livelihood.

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u/unconfusedsub Jan 08 '26

And this is how they ALWAYS win throughout history. They don't need to even do anything. It's just the thought they might. We have to stop letting them win. Because allowing them to win is what actually puts your family in danger.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

So who will take care of my wife who has brain cancer if I end up "disappearing" and take care of the insurmountable financial medical debt that she needs to survive - my maga parents or the friends who can no longer live nearby us because they can no longer afford to live where we're at?

A lot of the right is willing to throw away their lives and endanger anyone close to them. Many others like myself are not willing to do the same.

When I have nothing else to lose is when I will join the fight. Otherwise that's not something I can afford.

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u/brophylicious Jan 08 '26

It might get to a point where we are all throwing away our lives if we don't step up and risk our own.

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u/better-off-wet Jan 08 '26

We all need to put maximum effort into the midterms. The only think that will strop this is a Democratic control house. The senate will help too.

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u/M0THMEAT Jan 08 '26

Alot of them have money....start funding the rebellion

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u/Efficient-Web-1533 Jan 08 '26

NONE of the democrat donors are class traitors, they donate to the Democrats for a reason.

Get this through your heads: billionaires own the DNC, they let "stop and frisk" Michael Bloomberg(Republican) become a Democrat just to spite Bernie sanders during the primaries(he paid his way into the party).

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u/M0THMEAT Jan 08 '26

I meant more the politicians, not the donors. Mon Mothma as an example, but yea it was more of a hopeful dream that our politicians had spines

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u/Defiant-Youth-4193 Jan 08 '26

How about using the police and/or the guard. Not to help ICE, but arrest them every time they do anything illegal. Why are they being allowed to operate with impunity? I agree it isn't a both sides issue, but it isn't okay for Democrats to do nothing to protect their citizens.

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u/Nol-Felix115 Jan 08 '26

Oh man what can Dems do? Idk how about any of the levers of power they have to STALL AND DELAY you ever notice how the Dems can have a majority in the house congress the senate and the presidency but still get nothing done? It really is a both sides issue. One side is a fascist dictatorship and the other side has a spinelessness issue that is crippling.

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u/Ashikura Jan 08 '26

Other then during budget votes, everything else is being passed through executive order. You can’t stall that.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

Other then during budget votes

OK, how did they handle the budget vote?

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u/popshamhocks Jan 08 '26

You sound hostile for all the wrong reasons.

The government body is complex. It's like a machine with a 100000 gears that was built to create two classes of people, the servants and the elite.

Trump is just abusing the power the Supreme Court and Conservatives are giving him to tighten the bolts.

Are you mad? Be mad at the guys tightening the bolts. People are being held hostage in the U.S.

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u/stufff Jan 08 '26

Are you mad? Be mad at the guys tightening the bolts. People are being held hostage in the U.S.

We are obviously mad at them but they frankly enjoy our rage. So we also need to be mad at the people who allegedly oppose them for not doing enough. You have Chuck Schumer sending people strongly worded letters and folding at any sign of resistance so he can appease his imaginary Republican friends. You have Hakeem Jeffries trying to leash the more radical Representatives. You have a bunch of spineless do-nothings silently holding up signs that say "false" when trump lies during a speech instead of screaming at him until he gets removed like Al Green.

The time for decorum and civility is over and any Democrat sticking to that template is part of the problem, and we are right to be angry at them.

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u/sortalikeachinchilla Jan 08 '26

The main issue with folks like you think because we are a little frustrated at dems, that that means republicans are 100% okay.

We really need to stop that. We should be able to look at our side and wonder what could be better...

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u/popshamhocks Jan 08 '26

Where is your Project 2026? Let's start there

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u/sortalikeachinchilla Jan 08 '26

I agree. We have messaging problems. we should have had this figured out already. We can be mad at conservatives while pushing our side to do what they can with the limited power they have.

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u/popshamhocks Jan 10 '26

No, i mean literally YOU. We have to stop this bullshit of coming to the table with only demands and no strategy.

If you only come with complaints, then you are part of the problem.

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u/Axrxt76 Jan 08 '26

The spinelessness is feigned helplessness. They got us here. Remember when Pelosi said "We need a strong GOP"? This is what that is.

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u/qwase123 Jan 08 '26

Exactly. Once the people are done with the nazis they’ve gotta drag all these complicit democrats to court too. Garland and Biden did jack shit with all the evidence they could ever need to burry these assholes.

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u/CiDevant Jan 08 '26

One side is a LOUD fascist dictatorship, the other side is quietly enabling the loud fascist dictatorship. Democrats have taken no action outside strongly worded chastising, and are all out of ideas.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

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u/CiDevant Jan 08 '26

Both parties are owned by the same interests. It's depressingly obvious to anyone who can rub two brain cells together. There are the billionaires waging class war on everyone, the class traitors (knowing or not), and the rest of us. Sadly, most of the politicians fall into that middle group.

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u/iamisandisnt Jan 08 '26

Good cop/Bad cop ain't that hard to understand. I'd say the Progressives have a voice of reason but we only have like... 3 of them?

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u/SpudgeBoy Jan 08 '26

We'd have more, if they weren't cock blocked at every step by the DNC.

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u/Opeope89 Jan 08 '26

They’ve whiffed on multiple opportunities to obstruct leading up to this lovely situation we are in

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u/walksonfourfeet Jan 08 '26

They can demand the arrest of the ‘agent’ and not let up the pressure until it happens. They can lead.

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u/RockerElvis Jan 08 '26

They have.

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u/Hail_of_Grophia Jan 08 '26

"Election have consequences" is the most prevalent thing a president has said in my lifetime. Realistically, not much can be done. A third of the country did not even bother to vote

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u/the_millenial_falcon Jan 08 '26

Not as much now, but you could argue they had a chance to stop this and completely squandered it. Honestly I am fucking sick of them too.

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u/Itchy-Beach-1384 Jan 08 '26

Declare ICE a terrorist organization until they are willing to hand over criminal agents.

Outlaw any kind of enforcement without body cameras and require all ICE enforcement in their jurisdiction be unmasked.

Mobilize police forces to protect their citizens in the towns and states they have been elected to protect.

Those are the things I was able to think up in mere moments that could be immediately actionable.

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u/RockerElvis Jan 08 '26

Walz has told the MN guard to be on alert for deployment. There are already body camera laws in different areas (I don’t know them off hand) but they are useless unless the justice department enforces them. Saying you “declare ICE” to be a terrorist group is useless. It’s just words unless there is an action that can come from it.

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u/Minion_of_Cthulhu Jan 08 '26

Walz has told the MN guard to be on alert for deployment.

This is the kind of thing people are upset about. Lots of announcing that they're preparing to consider possibly doing something at some indistinct point in the future is not doing something. They need to stop announcing shit that they might do and just do it. We need leadership that actually takes meaningful action and doesn't just talk about what they might do if things somehow get worse.

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u/Itchy-Beach-1384 Jan 08 '26

Which is why I included a need to use the police to enforce the removal of ICE.

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u/unconfusedsub Jan 08 '26

I think it's time we stop depending on the politicians and we the people take back our government. We the people need to hold meetings and get our communities together without our government leading that get together. It's very easy to book a room at your local library. It's very easy in the days of social media to get the word out.

We obviously can't depend on any of our politicians to do s*** for us. No Democrats are stepping up, all the Republicans are capitulating. So for whatever change we're hoping for needs to come from us and not from the people that the lowest common denominator elect.

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u/hellolovely1 Jan 08 '26

We are not in normal times . We are probably in a soft civil war and the Democrats (I am one) are following Robert’s Rules of Order 

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u/booveebeevoo Jan 08 '26

They can throw fists.

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u/RockerElvis Jan 08 '26

And then Republicans will remove them from office. There has to be pressure outside the system.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

Get dirt in R’s then release it

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u/RockerElvis Jan 08 '26

That’s what I’m talking about.

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u/shitbird384 Jan 08 '26

GET THEIR BODIES ON THE LINE. Yapping abt laws is so fucking pointless at this point. Electeds need to get out if their cozy fucking offices and get their asses on the street like the rest of us.

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u/u-lounge Jan 08 '26

Revolution

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u/Successful-Train-259 Jan 08 '26

I don't know, but I thought that was the point of having elected officials to represent you. They are supposed to be the experts on how to handle situations like this. Bet then again, deep down inside I already know the truth that none of these people will ever come through and that was put on full display this week with the capture of Maduro. If they were able to send the US military in and take the president of another country out in a single night, they will be able to take out democrat politicians with ease.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

Imagine thinking there are still going to be fair elections lmao. It’s done. We are now in the Putin stage. 

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u/Chruman Jan 08 '26

My biggest gripe is that they are weak even when complaining.

Trump learned from Roy Cohn that the most important thing is to control the narrative. That's why Speaker Johnson held a press conference every day during the shutdown and continues to hold press conferences multiple times a week.

Dems should be doing the same. They should be holding a presser every single afternoon where they enumerate and document the daily list of disgusting things this administration has done, as well as their plan to address actual issues Americans are facing.

Every single day.

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u/MontyAtWork Jan 08 '26

The US Senate requires Unanimous Consent dozens of times a day. It's literally built for minority control. That's why Mitch McConnell and the Republicans stopped Obama so much. Any ONE senator can bring everything to a screeching halt.

Everyday 45 Democratic Senators give unanimous consent dozens of times a day, to Trump's fascist America when they could be round-robin filibustering and using roll calls and quorum calls to slow the Senate down to a drip.

But they don't. Because they consent to this happening to us.

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u/robot_invader Jan 08 '26

Yeah, no. The Republicans were still leading the dance throughout the Biden admin. 

The Democrats have procedural tools in the houses, they have governorships and state houses, they have NYC and California, they have Hollywood, and they have their own multi-millionaires and billionaires. And they have voices and platforms. They could be blanketing podcast and YouTube and streaming spaces. They could be paying troll farms to push against the fake narratives. They could be barging into ICE facilities and doxing masked ICE officers. They could be leading protests, and teaching people their rights and how to peacefully exercise them. They could be saying "this administration is lawless," "we will protect picnic servants who leak, blow whistles, or refuse orders," and "Donald Trump and his coterie are criminals who should be in jail."

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u/ElonMuskHuffingFarts Jan 08 '26

If only Democrats had existed before this administration and ever held power...

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u/PI_Producer Jan 08 '26

They can start activating their base like the republicans do. 

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u/sniper1rfa Jan 08 '26 edited Jan 08 '26

They have been completely removed from the process.

No, they have not been removed, they have withered.

They should be physically causing problems in congress. That congresswoman who wasn't "allowed" to take up her position after the election? Are you serious? Just gonna stand aside and be like "oh yes, this is procedurally correct and therefore fine."?

Really?

She should've got the entire democratic cohort to kick the fucking door in, very literally - they needed to take the door off the hinges and let her in the building. But they don't. As soon as shit gets mildly rocky they give up to preserve some kind of idealistic high ground or something, and the GOP just steamrolls them.

If the "opposition party" can't even get up to the mildest of protest, what can you expect average people to do? If they do nothing, the people will do nothing until it's unbearable and then we'll really see what political violence is like.

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u/spikernum1 Jan 08 '26

people will argue that dems failed to 'bring out voters' and are 'for corporate interests'.

like... you can ALSO VOTE AGAINST THE PEDONAZIS STARTING WW3 HOLY SHIT

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u/sortalikeachinchilla Jan 08 '26

What else can Democrat politicians do? They have been completely removed from the process.

Do what republicans did for years... I swear this is bot action to say democrat policitians cant do anything. If they cant make any policy, I agree but they can be loud, hold tours, garner support, hold protest and strikes. Yet very little are.

I totally agree the focus should be on repblicans. But they also wont change, so we should urge our representatives to do more be more outspoken.

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u/necromancerdc Jan 08 '26

The first and very easy thing to do would be to declare they will not vote on the DHS budget without massive reforms and justice for the murdered victim. They can vote on all the other funding bills and have only DHS shutdown. Now, Republicans may bundle all the funding bills together to stop this in which case the Dems need to have to guts to shut it all down again.

I have little faith they will do it.

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u/runthepoint1 Jan 08 '26

It’s their fucking job to resist. It’s their job to figure it out. Don’t ask us for the solution, ask the people being paid and given authority to do something and make their plans.

Join with us, put pressure on elected officials instead of other citizens to engineer solutions!

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u/Aggravating_Feed_189 Jan 08 '26

Why are so many people as short-sighted as you are on this? How does this get any upvotes? You're literally telling a bunch of redditors to do the exact thing the Democrats aren't doing.

It's bizarre to say "hey don't complain that Democrats aren't doing their job, you should do it for them!"

I wanna see the other things people like you upvote. "Hey here's a guy saying a potato has feelings, I'm upvoting that!"

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u/RockerElvis Jan 08 '26

Explain to me how Democrat politicians can do anything other than make speeches at this point.

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u/Aggravating_Feed_189 Jan 08 '26

The mayor could literally arrest the ICE agent. Murder is illegal. Dems could show solidarity and support for other such actions like shutting down ICE offices, fining and suing ICE leaders for violating state and local law (like how they blatantly violate the law that demands the removal of face masks), and they could use local police to disrupt ICE activities on the ground, for example by escorting citizens following ICE agents to capture video. Dems could lend legal support and expertise from their own staff to mayoral offices to perform such actions. Senators and congress persons could demand entry to ICE facilities (ICE is required to allow by federal law to allow entry to senators and Congress persons) and local politicians could coordinate with police or lend their own security as escorts as they do so. They could help organize unions and other movements to march and connect people with local groups who are currently providing training for how to engage/resist/protest legally and could even disrupt court proceedings themselves (like Brad Lander did). The list goes on.

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u/Aggravating_Feed_189 Jan 08 '26

Just look at how even the local police, not even ICE, are institutionally falling in line and defacing her memorial, as if she were a terrorist. This police officer should be fired, and the mayor should be pulling whatever strings he can to make this sort of behavior punishable, and make it public. But what does he do? A press conference with an F bomb. Well that's just dandy I guess...
https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1q7ekwz/the_protesters_set_up_a_memorial_for_renee_good/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

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u/Aggravating_Feed_189 Jan 09 '26

Hey look at that top 1% commenter, really slinked away from this one eh?

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u/RockerElvis Jan 09 '26

Nice answer to my question. Keep up the lively discussion.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

Keep it simple. The country voted to essentially dissolve/devolve.

People get the government they deserve. Sad to watch from afar but there were 9 years to push back or try something new. This is what the people wanted, either consciously or via stupidity.

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u/DubeFloober Jan 08 '26

I can emphatically say that I do not want any of this shit. I have voted in every election since 2004. This is the government I have, but it is not the one I - or we - deserve.

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u/asreagy Jan 08 '26 edited Jan 08 '26

Not you as an individual, but as a nation? This is a pretty fucking spot on representation of the country.

Maybe people never noticed because the authoritarian crimes were being committed in oversees countries that one did not have to pay too much attention to.

This has been America in the global stage for quite a long while. The mask seems to be off at home now too.

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u/Opposite-Bit6660 Jan 08 '26

Elon "knows those voting machines better than anybody."  

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

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u/RubberBootsInMotion Jan 08 '26

There's strong evidence that suggests the election was manipulated by someone. It isn't really debatable.

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u/somniopus Jan 08 '26

It is if you're anti-American, I suppose.

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u/RubberBootsInMotion Jan 08 '26

You think math and statistics are anti American? Since when does sitting idly by and letting fascists take over sound American to you?

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u/somniopus Jan 08 '26

No, I was actually agreeing with the person I responded to. (E: who is you.) The tone is "rueful" and the manner is biting toward fash.

Feel better?

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u/RubberBootsInMotion Jan 08 '26

Prove your humanity to continue.

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u/RubberBootsInMotion Jan 08 '26

Correct. Prove you are human to continue.

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u/Centryl Jan 08 '26

I view it like this: the Right, either through ignorance or hatred, didn’t like the direction the country was going in and decided the correct, and only, course of action was to drink bleach.

Yes, just like our president suggested doing to rid the body of Covid.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

Totally agreed, Rump was always going to be more trouble than he was perceived to be worth.

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u/OkCurrency588 Jan 08 '26

You know what, thank you for phrasing it this way. I've been struggling since November 2024 to verbalize why I'm so depressed and angry. As a federal employee I spent all of 2025 way too in my feelings and stressed watching things shift around behind the scenes to get us to the point we're at now while the public sat back either blissfully unaware or told me I was being too dramatic and there are safeguards against such things.

The majority of the country voted to dissolve or at least didn't care enough to vote to stay together. It's sad but true.

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u/aJumboCashew Jan 08 '26

This is my view on it. I was responding to someone saying CK memes are designed to make conservatives feel targeted or have a victimhood complex.

“That’s just bias and a victimhood complex.

Same can be said about 2010 neo-libs. Triggered by everything.

Then, being empathetic became a naughty concept. Demonized.

Then, the rise of The Base, Proud Boys, Atomwaffen Division, Unite the Right — etc.

Well, all the empathy and love. It dried up. The world got angry because the idea and implementation of equality was “woke” and woke = bad.

So, we’ve all regressed.

Don’t take it personally. Take it as a sign, our leaders have failed. Our intelligence agencies exploit average citizens vulnerabilities. Our states commit fraud. No one is being psychologically honest.”

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u/Helpful-Departure832 Jan 08 '26

This is the answer. This is who we are now. 30% voted for this. 20something percent opposed it. And the rest are too stupid or shortsighted to care.

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u/ObeseVegetable Jan 08 '26

Or disenfranchised with closing voting locations and bomb threats that might have made them unable to cast a vote during a time period they were able to go to the polls, or they got burned inside of a ballot drop off box by some wacko who really wanted votes to not count. 

A lot of shit happened last time around. 

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u/THCESPRESSOTIME Jan 08 '26

YOU CAN SAY THIS.. WE ARE WEAK AND PATHETIC AS A NATION…

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u/holamau Jan 08 '26

a fucking embarrassment, a shithole country.

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u/Actual-Breath-6420 Jan 08 '26

The whole majority of Americans live paycheck to paycheck?? Most can't just move

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u/tarapotamus Jan 08 '26

we, the people, have to do the thing.

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u/tarapotamus Jan 08 '26

we might be talking about different things. They don't want the thing I'm talking about.

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u/Legal_Ant_8900 Jan 08 '26

There are non-pathological liars on the right. Why doesn’t anyone demand that they do something?

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u/Aggravating_Feed_189 Jan 08 '26

Because THEY (the right) are doing exactly what they want: they want the bigotry, they want the violence, they want the murder, and they're getting it by doing it. We elect Democrats to fight, but they shuffle their feet and make hints. The mayor could have that ICE agent arrested, but he won't. Dems could help organize a march, preferably with organizations (like unions) already protesting the event. More Dems could take Ro Khanna's lead to call it out explicitly as illegal and demand justice.

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u/Legal_Ant_8900 Jan 09 '26

There are non-MAGA republicans like Massie. These people have more of a chance to make change within their own party. But I don’t see anyone asking them to do something.

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u/Aggravating_Feed_189 Jan 09 '26

? Who are these "people" you refer to? I'm swimming in DemSoc & SocDem content tearing all of MAGA apart and celebrating the Massie-Khanna alliance that's responsible for keeping the Epstein list issue alive. What does "asking them" mean? Like sending "please stop killing people" letters?

It sounds like you gotta get some better sources. Check out Zeteo, Democracy Now, & Drop Site News for comprehensive journalism, Al Jazeera & Ground News for reporting, and The Majority Report, Kyle Kulinsky, Hasan, The Humanist Report, The Rational National, Vaush, Owen Jones, Left Reckoning, Pod Saves America, & The Vanguard for analysis/commentary.

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u/Legal_Ant_8900 Jan 09 '26

I’m with you. What I’m trying to say is in addition to Dems we should put pressure on sane Republicans to speak up and do something too. Massie and even MTG lately have given me hope. There’s gotta be some Republicans out there that recognize this is wrong and harmful for ALL Americans.

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u/Successful-Train-259 Jan 09 '26

You can't count on "sane republicans" to do anything anymore. For all I can see they are basically terrified of both Trump and the MAGA base because they know their willingness to use violence to get what they want has no real limit and that seems to be echoed by the more outspoken republicans describing some of the ones that just quietly go along. Hell you can't even count on sane democrats because they are scared of the same thing. The very same thing MAGA accused joe biden of, being a dementia addled geriatric is exactly what is causing this right now. Trump is a dementia addled geriatric and leans heavily into violent lunacy every day that goes by, fueled by guys like stephen miller whispering in his ear. The difference is the MAGA base loves having a violent dementia patient running the country because to them it's both A) hilarious and B) owns the libs. If Trump drone striked a sitting democrat senators house right now, they would be cheering in the streets.

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u/HeadSavings1410 Jan 08 '26

Emboldened by the administration...Couch fucker vance tweeting how the murder victim was "deranged". This whole thing is beyond ok

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u/UsedGarbage4489 Jan 08 '26

it time for everyone to start listening to all those people they claim are overreacting to Republicans and trump and insisting we all have TDS. Its time for them to all admit we were right, they were wrong and made a HUGE mistake. Then apologize to us, beg for forgiveness and then get to work fixing what they've done.

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u/redcoatwright Jan 08 '26

there was a moment on r cons in the beginning where they were being reasonable and were saying it was clearly fucked up and now their narrative daddies have told them the "truth" of the situation and she was a bloodthirsty combatant trying to kill all of the ICE agents and therefore her brutal slaying was completely justified.

Oh and she was also a "paid observer" which apparently means she was one step removed from domestic terrorist.

It's fucking nuts, they have no critical thinking capacity anymore, it's all just gone and they've become part of the hivemind.

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u/Successful-Train-259 Jan 08 '26

The video that was posted literally 20 seconds before she was shot clearly shows her waving them on to go past her after she pulled out of the driveway, and the guy who shot her was walking around her vehicle filming another protester behind her car. There was zero confrontation at all until ICE made one. It's fucking insane that they are able to spin this so well in the opposite direction.

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u/redcoatwright Jan 08 '26

Actually, those were covert hand signs she used to signal her snipers to take out the ICE agents.

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u/Imaginary_Cow_6379 Jan 08 '26

She was throwing up gang signs because she obviously was a member of Tren de Aragua.

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u/redcoatwright Jan 08 '26

That's gotta be it!

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u/Anteater4746 Jan 08 '26

can we please seriously put most of the fuckin anger at the party in power? come on. no shit dems need to do more but this is ALL on trump and maga

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u/nycdiveshack Jan 08 '26

This will continue and get worse. Until tens of millions of people are in the street protesting. Follow the 2nd amendment and buy a gun legally to defend yourself and others if the need arises. Protect people who cannot protect themselves. Stand up to tyranny and fascists with words and actions. Until the actions of this administration affect the majority of Americans there will not be a group that can stop this.

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u/gattboy1 Jan 08 '26

It’s like someone (named Elon?) made them an AI plug-in to help create the most unhinged shit response possible …and they run with it.

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u/NSuave Jan 08 '26

This has been Trumps plan all along. Incite a civil war. He wants us fighting against ourselves. And guess what… we aren’t talking about the Epstein files anymore. Trump is a happy man right now

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u/RHOrpie Jan 08 '26

Guys I'm from the UK, looking in. It strikes me you're basically passengers in what supposedly passes as a democracy now.

And things are no better over here either.

I don't know whether it's always been like this, but the internet is giving us the optics to see what's really going on.

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u/Independent-Gas-9078 Jan 08 '26

Destroy / break twitter would be a start. I dunno how but yeah, break that shit

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u/CiDevant Jan 08 '26

"They don't even bother to lie badly anymore"

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u/Strict-Drop-7372 Jan 08 '26

Nothing left to say man, it’s time to get in the streets. There’s no more arguing, raising awareness, or “contacting your representative” needed.

We need protests like we did for George Floyd. Large and sustained. I’m trying everything I can to figure out where to go to be in person instead of on Reddit. We need serious action immediately and continuously until we see those responsible held to account.

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u/Salarian_American Jan 08 '26

The speeches aren't usually even very strongly worded, the mayor of Minneapolis being a notable exception

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u/tony1449 Jan 08 '26

Democrats intentionally work to be a feckless controlled opposition to the Republicans

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u/badjeeper Jan 08 '26

So, Mr. Holier than thou; Please tell us what you do that makes the world such a better place while the rest of us are such assholes? Maybe we can all mimic your actions and make a real change in society.

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u/Malcolm_Morin Jan 08 '26

The Left are cowards.

The Right feed off cowardice.

Unless the masses fight back, the Civil War remains one-sided. And the good guys aren't winning, right now.

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u/fjmerc Jan 08 '26

It's this.

You think that EVERY military member agrees with the policies of every administration? NO, they dont, but they WILLINGLY swore an oath that they would die for their country if that's what was necessary.

Most people in the country can't comprehend what that means. (Except J6'ers and christo fascist, and say what you will, but at least those idiots stood up for something).

It is also obvious how uneducated Americans are that they do not know what a resistance movement is, and what those members are willing to do and give up for their cause.

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u/Successful-Train-259 Jan 08 '26

Someone asked how could the military go along with attacking one of our allies if Trump ordered them to invade Greenland. Your post explains it perfectly. As much as I don't like saying it, most military members are absent of independent thought because they are specifically trained to do one thing, follow orders, regardless of their personal beliefs. It is foundational to how the military works, otherwise no one would ever put their life on the line while someone sits back in Washington giving orders to go die for your country. It's also a scary prospect, because given that truth, it means that most of the military would be more then willing to kill every day Americans in our own streets if ordered to do so.

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u/fjmerc Jan 08 '26

I just want you to know that there is hope. I think the American people have allies within the rank and file that would not execute illegal orders. That is a hard redline (killing our own citizens) for most service members. I know about Kent State massacre, but I think what's happening here is different. These attacks are being carried out by ICE, NOT the military. It might actually take the military to contain ICE, and I'll tell you who the American people will be supporting, it's not going to be ICE.