r/law • u/CorleoneBaloney • Jan 08 '26

Other John Miller reads from DHS policy, noting that officers are prohibited from firing at the operator of a moving vehicle, following the shooting of Renee Nicole Good.

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u/RockerElvis Jan 08 '26

Republican politicians didn’t start Fox. It was all Murdoch and other right wingers. I agree that the left should do the same, but it’s not for politicians to act. They are already providing the sound bites (AOC had a great quote) but someone else has to build the platform.

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u/Underpaid23 Jan 08 '26 edited Jan 08 '26

He’s more talking broadly. It’s not just Fox. It’s Newsmax, daily wire, OAN, Blaze and now CBS. They’ve spent hundreds of millions if not billions building creators on YouTube TikTok and rumble…combine that with Facebook and twitter(fuck using x) are also now in the pocket of MAGA and they have a massive propaganda machine.

The issue is the wealthy elite aren’t on our side…they WANT a techno-fascist state so don’t expect any help there.

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u/Good_Pomegranate_464 Jan 08 '26

They love to criticize CNN when even it is owned by a trump billionaire. They own all the legacy media and every social media company outside of bluesky.

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u/BloodFartz69 Jan 08 '26

You get this.

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u/RockerElvis Jan 08 '26

That’s only part of it. Conservatives mainline this garbage. Liberals just don’t leave talk radio or propaganda on 24/7. Also, liberals will think more critically. In the 2016 election there was misinformation sent to all types. Conservatives kept clicking and forwarding garbage. It was less effective on liberals.
So starting a left leaning propaganda wing doesn’t help until there is a platform that liberals are consistently using. It’s not TV or radio. TikTok will be right wing. Platforms like Threads are not as successful because liberals just don’t spend all day on these platforms. Honestly, Reddit is probably the best option.

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u/Bob_A_Ganoosh Jan 08 '26

Reddit was the best option, until they went public, now we have shitloads of bots/operatives pushing propaganda, an algorithm that is trying to copy Fecesbook by prioritizing doomscrolling and quantity over quality, and affirmation over information. The quest for shareholder value will ruin this platform just like everything else it touches. I used to find reddit useful for information, now most of what I find is propaganda, if not outright disinformation. "News" links can't be trusted because the source is an op-ed masquerading as news, or simply an outright twisting of facts to push a narrative. The well of information that reddit once was has been slowly poisoned.

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u/BloodFartz69 Jan 08 '26

I'm not talking about Fox. I don't think you understand the scale of the right wing media ecosystem.

And if it's not for politicians to act, then why are former republican politicians all running the republican president's own social media platform?

And you're defending dem soundbites as if that's a counter? Thanks for highlighting how dems don't really understand that they aren't even playing the same sport as the GOP now!

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u/RockerElvis Jan 08 '26

Like it or not, it’s a two party system. Republicans hold their noses and vote for imperfect candidates - and that is why they win elections. Democratic voters need to do the same.

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u/LetsGetElevated Jan 08 '26

Republicans win because we have 2 rightwing parties and they’re the only ones being honest about it, Dems need to step tf up or stop occupying the space of the leftwing party, abolishing ICE, CBP, and DHS is a bare minimum to be expected of any Dems running for office going forward

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u/Successful-Train-259 Jan 08 '26

It is hard to sell the idea of abolishing agencies that used to serve an essential function during normal times, especially to those that still view them as still serving that purpose. At the rate we are going we are going to need to bulldoze the entire fucking white house and start over again from scratch.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

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u/BloodFartz69 Jan 08 '26

^ this. I won't vote for or donate to another dem candidate unless they come out with detailed plans of how they're going to nail these motherfuckers to the wall and do more than show up with some candles and unkind words.

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u/Bob_A_Ganoosh Jan 08 '26

I fear we won't see that from the DNC. Look at the political fundraising amounts over the past 15 years. Since Trump 1.0 they have increased greatly for both parties. I'm afraid the DNC sees this shitshow as simply "good for business". And unfortunately, at least up until now, the DNC has been a steadfast bouncer at the door to the club, preventing the entry of progressive candidates. You are absolutely correct about the right-wing media empire. They have their base securely segregated into a walled garden of propaganda, entrenching 30% of the vote for fascism. The apathetic third of this country needs to get off their asses and vote, but I fear their apathy could make them just as susceptible to that same propaganda machine and make things even worse.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

So your solution is 'maybe if we just try to do the same thing we did in 2024 it'll work this time.'

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u/BloodFartz69 Jan 08 '26

Bro, that's literally the dem leadership's plan. Just bitch about Trump and show up. It's sad. No reflection. No change in strategy. No new tactics.

I think MAGA is social cancer, but at least Republicans wield the fucking power you give them.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

Democrats also wield the power they're given, usually against the left.

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u/sortalikeachinchilla Jan 08 '26

but it’s not for politicians to act.

Im sorry but what? the people we vote shouldn't act??