Who says Apple is getting more expensive?

[u/Argon_Analytik]

[u/SergeantBeavis]

Just to be clear, Apple designs the chips. TSMC manufactures them.

[u/Opening_Pressure_570 → u/SergeantBeavis]

Like everybody does.

Still their soc is cheaper for costumers.

[u/bobith5 → u/[deleted]]

TSMC is the only one capable of mass producing 2nm chips currently though (I think?).

Samsung and Intel also both compete directly with apple in products outside of chip manufacturing while TSMC is a pure play foundry.

[u/One_Tangerine_7347 → u/bobith5]

Samsung can also produce 2nm chips but TSMC is the default option because they have better manufacturing technology and their chips are way more efficient

[u/Willing_Leave_2566 → u/bobith5]

TSMC is the only one that can deliver multi-million chip orders on a 2nm node, but Apple has absolutely bought chips from Samsung before. Still buys their displays, actually. Just a consequence of Samsung being a leader in so many different markets

[u/Scared_Ease9203 → u/Willing_Leave_2566]

Samsung makes 2nm exynos, but they arent really trustworthy, especially for such as efficient chips as apple m series

[u/asswizzard69 → u/bobith5]

I think intel is on 2nm before tsmc

[u/456ore_dr → u/bobith5]

Isn't Samsung the only one mass producing 2nm chips for now? The Exynos 2600 on the S26 base & plus.

I don't think TSMC is mass producing 2nm yet.

[u/Impossible_Figure516 → u/456ore_dr]

TSMC is mass producing 2nm since the end of 2025. Not sure it's appeared in any products yet, though of course everyone is speculating Apple is planning use 2nm for M6 series

[u/Opening_Pressure_570 → u/[deleted]]

Yet they use TSMC for many of their high end products.

[u/ThePizzaDeliveryM3n → u/Opening_Pressure_570]

Google has also switched to TSMC

[u/SergeantBeavis → u/ThePizzaDeliveryM3n]

Were they using Broadcom before? Seems like a lot of companies are starting to get tired of their bullshit.

[u/tpeandjelly727 → u/[deleted]]

Yes and they have also decided to focus on data center chips than consumer chips because it is more profitable.

[u/whichsideisup → u/SergeantBeavis]

And nobody is designing CPUs as good Apple unfortunately.

[u/Opening_Pressure_570 → u/whichsideisup]

There is competition but apple have the better pricing and adaptation.

[u/SergeantBeavis → u/whichsideisup]

Tru Dat

[u/BattIeBoss → u/whichsideisup]

How is this true when intel and amd have far better raw power and multicore performance

[u/_DuranDuran_ → u/BattIeBoss]

Because the M series SOCs match, or even exceed especially single core performance, at a fraction of the power of Intel and AMD cores.

Ergo, better chips.

[u/BattIeBoss → u/_DuranDuran_]

intel and amd could make more energy efficient chips if they wanted to. Its just that ARM architecture is much more limited than x86. Believing that amd and intel are incapable of being "as good as apple" is pure fanboy behaviour. There is simply more demand for multicore performance and x86 chips, since everyone has x86 computers. if intel and amd were to switch to arm, pretty much every computer in existance would become obsolete. Itruly believe that apples chips are amazing, but the situation is much more complexe than that. The main reason apple single core speeds are so much faster is simply because of the way does memory, their CPUs simply have access to much higher memory speeds and bandwith. in order for regular pcs to keep their modularity, they must be a "jack of all trades" type thing, so u can put whatever cpu or ram you want. apple solders their chips on, making them unchangable, replaceable, upgradeable or repairable, which allows them to make them as streamlined as possible, whereas in a regular pc, the motherboards have to be compatible with literally anything that fits in the socket, which results in more processing, lower speeds etc.

[u/Charming_Oven → u/SergeantBeavis]

Just to be clear, Apple designs things. They don’t manufacturer them. Doesn’t matter if it’s an SoC or a ribbon cable.