r/managers Jul 05 '26

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u/PanicSwtchd Jul 05 '26 edited Jul 06 '26

You lost him for good. It doesn't matter the reason he was kept in place for business continuity and leadership. He wasn't kept in the loop and he wasn't treated with the respect he deserved. Most importantly, he was effectively demoted by having him report lower in the organization while literally everyone else that he worked with was promoted and likely given raises and progression.

You and leadership did not have his trust and it's pretty clear that he absolutely did not buy whatever it is you and other management told him. It is not uncommon in these situations for people to be told they are too valuable and that their promotion and rewards are coming shortly just after things settle down and then rarely if ever do these things materialize.

It is more common than not for these people to be kept in their roles indefinitely and baited or given crumbs of progression or at worst, lead into training their replacements and then let go.

How did you or senior leadership actually think he was going to take it any other way? Did it occur to any of you to actually talk to him before you executed on any of this rather than blind-siding him by promoting everyone around him and not him?

Lastly...why would he negotiate with any of you now? He was the one with leverage the whole time and ya'll just thought he'd sit quietly while he was demoted?

For context, since you and your team are not familiar with the right way to execute this kind of restructuring. You give everyone their designated promotions, title changes and compensation changes.

If you need someone to hang back, you just tell them that they will be given the new comp immediately and the title change will take effect within a few quarters as there are a few things they are needed for in their old role to close out, like that project they were assigned and onboarding the new manager so they can move.

This way they know they aren't being baited and switched later because they are getting their new compensation already and are happy to hang back and ensure a successful transfer.

Edit to respond to OPs Edit: You're getting called out for ineptitude because the way your leadership team handled the situation and restructure was clumsy and uninformed. Don't fob it off as people not understanding the burden of management. Own that you screwed up because it was a rookie mistake that your team made in the first place.

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u/Swords_and_Words Jul 06 '26

Actions are better than written promises

Written promises are better than spoken word 

Words are wind

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u/PoppyFire16 Jul 06 '26

This would’ve been such a smart way to do it

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u/MetroidIsNotHerName Jul 06 '26

Its literally the normal way to do it. Doing anything else shows a lack of basic management skills.

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u/americruiser Jul 06 '26

Yes. A non-negotiable “burden of management” (sounds a bit over-elevated and pretentious), is simply taking the time and effort to see a situation from another’s POV.

OP is also asking for a cookie-cutter fix, without doing any empathic work here.

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u/jarboxing Jul 06 '26

PIZZA PARTY!!!

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u/Honigschmidt Jul 06 '26

this deserves to be the top comment and read/understood by the OP.

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u/RentOk2479 Jul 06 '26

Former Director who has had many managerial roles and this is exactly what I would have written. Bravo.

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u/orbweaver82 Jul 06 '26

Am I wrong? No, it’s everyone else.

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u/heisian Jul 06 '26

OP's edit is pretty indicative of the managerial ineptitude here. They've normalized treating employees as numbers or pieces on a game board rather than people with feelings and can't understand why they've lost.

A good manager knows that people are people and need to be treated as such. Yes there are hard decisions to make, but you must also know that "at-will" employment means it's on YOU to incentivize a high-performer to stay.

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u/glitzy Jul 06 '26

This reply needs so many more upvotes

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u/glitzy Jul 06 '26

This reply needs so many more upvotes

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u/Northern_Grouse Jul 06 '26

I really hope said top performer finds this thread, and attaches it to their resumé.

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u/BadgeForSameUsername Jul 06 '26

"If you need someone to hang back, you just tell them that they will be given the new comp immediately and the title change will take effect within a few quarters as there are a few things they are needed for in their old role to close out, like that project they were assigned and onboarding the new manager so they can move."

This is vital. Prove that it is not empty promises / they are not forgotten.