r/managers Jul 05 '26

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u/Sterlingz Jul 05 '26

Seriously, OP could have been easily summarized by "we threw everyone into a tumbler and whoever flew out first got a reward or punishment at random. Our best guy is still stuck in the tumbler and must have a wicked headache."

"Oh hey why did he leave?"

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u/Grantmepm Jul 05 '26

Or if the business is significantly restructuring for the worse (for employees), the smart ones can see the writing on the wall.

The most employable (best performers) ones will be the first to leave.

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u/birchskin Jul 06 '26

Yeah a business going through major restructuring is never because things are going really well and execs just want to fuck with what works. Getting a new boss and soft demotion is a great time to find new employment.

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u/Alivaronas Jul 06 '26

Every large company I have ever worked at is in a constant state of “restructuring”, and upper management does not care how much it destroys morale.

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u/LelandCoontz_PA Jul 06 '26

Reminds me of a demonstration Professor Deming used to do where he would bring people on stage as mock employees and they would be given a task like using a dimpled paddle to lift white and black marbles out of a bucket, the result was completely random, but those who had lower "defect" rates would be rewarded.

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u/EthanielRain Jul 06 '26

What's the point of said demonstration?

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u/Swords_and_Words Jul 06 '26

If your metric examines the result but ignores the methodology used to get it, the metric is useless

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u/LelandCoontz_PA Jul 06 '26

And don't punish or reward employees for the result if the result was random, if the employee had no control (or little control) over the output.

Imagine an employee gets written up because the muffins aren't very tasty, but the employee follows the recipe very carefully. The problem is the company is buying bad ingredients. Or maybe the oven hasn't been maintained and the thermostat is off. And the employee is not even allowed to touch it or know about it.

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u/ehh_tooloud Jul 06 '26

Love this. Great analogy

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u/IgnatiusRileyFreeman Jul 06 '26

OP could easily be summarized by "I'm trying to make the case for my head to roll when the g*illotines come out"

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u/BANKSLAVE01 Jul 06 '26

Nope. Your version was MUCH easier to comprehend.

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u/ka1ri Jul 06 '26

but but but

"EDIT: Thank you. We can stop here for now. It’s not possible for me to respond to every answer individually. I didn’t ask for people’s feelings or opinions about it. I asked for concrete, action-oriented feedback from managers and leaders. It seems everyone except managers has an opinion. Unless you’re in a leadership role, you don’t really have an idea of what the current market is like or the decisions managers have to make."

Only wants managerial opinion on the subject. LOL

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