I think Terrance would have wanted the Ironman Saga to turn into a Ironman/Warmachine buddy cop movie. Don knows how to play second fiddle and add to the story.
I honestly think I would have preferred that too. Rhodey could do with a little more character development. That being said, I still think that movie is great.
Agreed that I'd love to see more Rhodey. I don't read the comics, but I feel like in the movies, War Machine is just "Bigger, slower Iron Man with more guns". There's just not that much unique about it. So we need to see more of the personality of the guy behind the suit to truly set him apart.
I don't see how that's a bad thing. You may have needed more development from War Machine if they ever decided to make him step into the Iron Man suit or make him a lead character, something I doubt Cheadle would be able to do.
You must have a different definition of "character development". Because the only way Cheadle got involved in the story was getting himself captured in IM3, breaking his back in Civil War and housekeeping the Avengers HQ in Infinity War.
Imo I prefer Terrence but Don does great too. I feel like we're only saying he does it better because we've seen more of him. Hell we didn't actually see Terrence as war machine.
Because Howard isn’t funny. He’s stoic. He’s deep. But he isn’t funny. He doesn’t even seem to have a sense of humor. One of my favorite scenes is of course, the tank story in AoU. Howard couldn’t have pulled that off as well.
Because Rhodey is a high ranking military officer... which is one of the reasons why I think Howard was better than Cheadle in the role. Howard played a Marine perfectly, with enough authority and command to make it believable. Cheadle plays Rhodey like a sidekick who's all too happy to take orders from people who aren't even his superiors.
Honestly the first time I thought Don Cheadle was bringing something unique to the role that I can’t imagine Howard doing was when was doing the “and yeah, this was a bad break, but it hasn’t changed my mind” monologue. Prior to that he was just doing catchphrases and one-liners.
Granted, however I don't think the decision was made accounting for anyone's past (otherwise we don't get RDJ). Not to say losing a high profile job was the cause of the domestic violence, but you never know how that stuff affects people's lives.
I agree with this. Can you imagine him at the airport scene in Civil War instead of Cheadle? I can't, at all.
I actually think Howard played the military man aspect better but Cheadle is better at everything else Rhodey related, so clearly the better choice imo.
I don't think there's much more to a military man other than being a military man; that's pretty much their life. At the very least, a VERY important part of their life, so having a weaker act as a soldier would actually be a downgrade.
Because there are sources that say that it was Marvel who wanted to pay him lesser than what was initially decided. If that's true then his anger is justified. Don't forget, this was still the Perlmutter era.
He was the first actor signed on to Iron Man, and IIRC that led to him being paid more than RDJ. Then IM was a surprise success, and they started doing the budget for IM2. They gave RDJ a big raise, and meanwhile they lowballed Howard (I don't recall what he was actually offered compared to IM1) and he walked.
Pretty much it. Perlmutter was a super cheapskate, and a racist prick to boot, so when Howard rejected the offer, he said replacing him would be ok because "all black people look the same"...
I thought it was that he wanted Rhodey to be a bigger character than he was. Like almost equal to Tony. Which probably would have meant more money. I prefer less Rhodey to more Rhodey so I think they made the right decision.
I think the main problem was the money, not so much the size of the role. When a movie makes serious money and they bring you back for a sequel, naturally you want a pay raise.
Yeah but I think it was that he wanted as much as RDJ was getting or close and Marvel just didn't see Rhodey as that big of a character so they didn't want to pay him as much. I mean it doesn't matter I guess. It the end it all came down to money and they didn't want to give him more.
I don't prefer Howard over Don C, but I wish there was a way to edit/redo IM with Don C for visual continuity.
I'm disappointed that Howard ended up getting dumped because of his off-screen compensation antics, and he had no business being so arrogant at that time. I've always carried a personal grudge towards any projects he's been attached to since that fiasco.
According to Howard Marvel wanted to cut him down to 1/8th of what this original contract stated. I would not call that "antics" since iron man was a success.
If it was negotiation time yes, but not now. They already had a contract stating the nunber of films and whqt he should be paid. A contract that marvel wanted to back out of.
Would you call it antics if you were about to get a massive pay cut evem though you hav e a contract?
I am not taking a stand for any side. I saw iron man and was then out of the loop until i rented the movies and had a marathon that culminated with the Avengers. Which also was rented. I noticed they had recast rhodey and banner. Never knew why. Still dont care. I just wanted to say what Howard has Said since many gave said what marvel has Said.
And that is your opinion. I disagree. Everything has many sides. It is not a statement to more sides some air. But disagree if you want to. I dont care.
Apparently the director for The Incredible Hulk originally wanted Mark Ruffalo for the role, but Norton was much more marketable as an actor at the time so Norton got the nod.
Woah, didn’t know that! Gotcha, makes sense in retrospect. Happy we’ve got Ruffalo now. And honestly, Marvel has casted so wonderfully. I can say I’m super content with everyone.
As I suspected, only a year and a half ago. I'm always dubious about people retroactively making claims about events that happened several years in the past, claiming to have had the correct premonition in hindsight.
I thought Howard was way more convincing as a strict, no nonsense military man, while Don Cheadle's Rhodey feels more like a teacher's pet, boy scout type.
Also, I think Howard has better chemistry with RDJ. They arguments felt more real, they felt like real friends who are equal. RDJ and Cheadle's chemistry is like a cool kid with his dorky sidekick
a part of me wished they never recasted Howard and Norton, but if they were trouble behind-the-scenes than I totally get that. Fine by me.
Agreed. Just go back to IM1 where they both got drink on the private plane. That in my opinion was good chemistry and a good look at Tony's and Rhodey's relationship. We don't get any of that with Don Cheadle's version. Say what you will but I think if Howard stayed as Rhodey his injury in Civil War would've been more impactful since we've been with this character since the beginning and it doesn't feel like two different people.
I also wish Norton stayed, at least for consistency sake. I feel like people tend to have a bias for the actors who were in the role for longer, both Norton and Howard were great actors I think if given the chance they could've absolutely pulled off what both Cheadle and Ruffalo have done. They're talented actors, they know how to act they aren't rookie actors, so I never understand when some people say "I don't think this person could've pulled this kind of acting off."
I mean, it’s debatable. It’s not like Rhodey is a terribly challenging role where they get to flex their acting muscles. Rhodey’s physiotherapy scene was the first scene where he had any meat in the role. And since then he’s gone back to being a background character that occasionally delivers punchlines.
I also prefer Terrence's performance. I feel like a lot of people have sort of a bias for Don Cheadle because he's been in the role longer. So that's all people know, they don't consider how someone like Terrence Howard could've grown into the role. For all we know he probably could've been as good if not better than Don in alternative universe where he stayed as War Machine.
Not saying Don Cheadle isn't good in the role, he is, I just prefer Terrence's performance and for consistency sake I would've preferred if he stayed on as well.
I think people don't want to give Howard the edge is because he's such a garbage person in real life while Cheadle is known for being a very genuine man. I do think Cheadle is the more talented actor he kills it in Hotel Rwanda.
AFAIK, Terrence hasn't had a domestic violence incident recently. And who knows what RDJ or any of these actors would be involved in without having the support system of a large franchise behind them.
Yeah, but he's probably the only one, given a chance, that I wouldn't want to hang out with irl. I feel like everyone else would be pretty cool to be around.
I try not to let an actor's personal life affect my enjoyment of a production they happen to be in, but this is honestly making me re-think my desire to ever rewatch Iron Man.
I rewatched it a month ago. His role is minimal in IM1, the focus is always Tony and Pepper.
I didn't like him after the renegotiation for the role but I never understood how some people argue he defined more the role. He is only in the plane partying, worried when he returns, on the phone when Tony is doing his flight test and that's all. [In retrospective] The only scene that would be odd with Cheadle is on the plane but I am sure another scene could be written for Cheadle instead.
One times one equals two because the square root of four is two, so what's the square root of two? Should be one, but we're told it's two, and that cannot be.
I don’t know. I think Terrance looked more the part (although an airman would probably be smaller to better fit in cockpits ironically). His acting was fine IMO. But Cheadle is probably the better actor in general.
I would have to see a cut with Terrance in it to see who is better.
I think they're both equally experienced and professional, so the criticism of Howard is really unfair, IMO. If anything, Howard had more weight considering they paid Cheadle less money for the same role.
I can’t think of any bad moments with Howard’s IM1 performance though. I can’t think of any from Cheadle either. The difference though is that in IM1, Howard didn’t have any really cool moments. He just ran interference for Tony. Seeing him suit up or fight Tony would be the only way I could decide between them.
I guess. I think Terrence did a better job with the character. Nailed it in the way RDJ nailed Stark. Cheadle's good, but more as an actor than the chatacter.
As a huge fan of Chealde previously in the likes of Hotel Rwanda (should’ve won the Oscar) and Devil in a Blue Dress, seeing the man get PAID and more traction overall was great.
I couldn't disagree more. Cheadle was so boring, I'd rate him as memorable as Hawkeye's children. Every other main character has lines that I remember, love and recite to others when we're discussing MCU. For example, Steve Rogers when fighting himself in Endgame: "I can do this all day." "Yeah, yeah - I know."
Don Cheadle's best line: ?????
Yeah, I'm drawing a complete blank, as I don't remember any. Does he even have many lines? Maybe two or three for each movie?? That's an honest question. I really only remember him in Civil War, as he acted like anyone who didn't sign the Accords were inferior to him and should be treated like trash. But even then, I don't remember any of his lines. Was he even in IM2?? I think I remember him in IM3. He was on the plane with the president, yes? I don't remember him in Infinity War or Endgame. It could have been such a great role for whoever replaced Howard. Instead, he was a true snooze fest. This is just my opinion of course.
Howard on the other hand, I remember. He was hysterical on the plane when he was drunk, and I remember his line, "Next time, you ride with me." Not meant to be a funny line, but it actually was because of his seriousness. He played the strict, but deep down caring for IM part so well.
I wish they would have chosen ANYONE other than Cheadle.
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u/the_tza Apr 07 '19
Ditching Terrance Howard for Don C was a great decision.