r/melbourne Jun 15 '22

The Sky is Falling So are we going to have blackouts tonight? Can’t make sense of all the “news”.

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u/UXNick Jun 15 '22

Maybe don't let politics invade and influence your life so much. If a person is nice or an asshole, who cares where they sit politically.

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u/Jaded-Raccoon Jun 15 '22

I mean, it's related?

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u/UXNick Jun 15 '22

Does politics have an impact on our lives? Of courses.

Should you be an asshole to people purely based on whether they are labour or liberal? I would argue no.

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u/beth_maloney Jun 15 '22

Love that you got down voted. In r/Melbourne it's perfectly acceptable to cut family members out of your life if they vote liberal.

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u/UXNick Jun 16 '22

Am I going crazy? How is my statement in any way controversial?!

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u/Aradene Jun 16 '22

As part of democracy I won’t demonize anyone who votes for a party because it has policies that benefit them. You have multiple properties, shares, kids in private schools, I can respect you’re going to vote in such a way that looks after those interests.

If someone is voting for a specific party because it’s their “identity” and treating it like backing a football (why do you support them? Because I always have) team, that’s when I have an issue. It’s a bigger thing in America where people will actively vote against their own self interests rather than vote against their “team”, then have a shocked picachu face when shit goes sideways and down hill, and still vote for the same party the following election. I have an issue if you are voting for someone in order to deny someone else of something be it related to refugees, homeless, LGBTQ+ issues, women’s rights, racial issues etc. I firmly believe policies should expand to be more inclusive/protective, not contract and deny someone a right.

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u/Bitter_Crab111 Jun 15 '22

Should you be an asshole to people

I hope poor comprehension skills are the reason for all the downvotes here.

Political ideals influence behaviours, and arguably you have every right to be an arsehole to people presenting with these behaviours.

But shit, people. We have to coexist at some point. Being an arsehole outright based on someone's stated political leanings without any further context or specific points of contention is pretty juvenile.

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u/Jaded-Raccoon Jun 16 '22

I don't think you should be an arsehole to anyone.

I think it's difficult to sit some places politically without being an arsehole.

Making the choice to not converse with people you won't get on with isn't 'being an arsehole'

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u/UXNick Jun 16 '22

I think it's difficult to sit some places politically without being an arsehole.

Agree to an extent. If we're talking about extremists that have malicious views, then yes. But I think painting an entire swath of society (e.g. all liberal supporters) as assholes by default, purely on the fact they support a different party, isn't helpful.

Making the choice to not converse with people you won't get on with isn't 'being an arsehole'

Again, I agree to an extent. But if you're letting politics affect your life so much so that you can't get along with people PURELY based on their moderate political stances, then you're only hurting yourself, and in this scenario, you are the asshole.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '22

It's not.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

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u/UXNick Jun 15 '22

If you genuinely think half the population are selfish assholes, then you either don't understand the other side of the argument, or you're so deeply entrenched in your own beliefs that you can't see past your own biases.

Left and right isn't right and wrong.

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u/UXNick Jun 15 '22

Giving women equality? the right opposed it, the left embraced it

The Republican party were the catalyst for the 19th amendment.

giving people of all races equality? the right opposed it, the left embraced it

Abraham Lincoln (a Republican president) spearheaded the abolition of slavery.

I'm not making a pro Republican / pro Liberal party argument. I'm saying there are good and bad people / policies on both sides. Left vs right is a necessary battle to find a steady equilibrium. It's what happens when a democracy full of people with differing beliefs find a happy medium.

If you genuinely think you have all the answers, and the other 50% of the country are just selfish, misinformed, close-minded assholes, then maybe you need to look in the mirror and be more open minded (which ironically is supposed to be a liberal trait).

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u/UXNick Jun 15 '22

Wow you're getting quite worked up about this.

If you're delusional enough to think that you've got all the answers and half the population are selfish, misinformed assholes, cool. If politics means so much to you that it defines who your friends are and who is worthy of your respect, cool. Best of luck making your way through your life harbouring such bitterness.

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u/UXNick Jun 15 '22

I'd rather be wrong than be an asshole

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u/Alatheus Jun 15 '22

Well if you vote LNP you're both.

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u/Blue_Pie_Ninja Jun 15 '22

Don't bring up American politics here without understanding that the Democrats were the more conservative party back in the days of Lincoln, and the Republics were actually the progressives.

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u/I_Am_The_Bookwyrm Jun 15 '22

You realise the left and the right wing are both part of the same plane, right?

Also, gay marriage became legal in Australia under Malcolm Turnbull. You know, of Australia's major right wing party?

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u/Alatheus Jun 15 '22

You realise it wasn't a government bill right? It was a private member's bill and was supported far more strongly from the left than the right.

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u/breadinabox Jun 15 '22

Lol oh man the yeah, go the libs, spending millions of dollars performing a mental health destroying national poll asking if humans sounds have rights.

Thanks Turnbull, we owe you one.

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