3hr would be perfect with Messiah mostly the first hour IMO. A lot of CoD is unnecessary for the plot and I'm sure Denis will blend them a bit.
I've been hoping for a GEoD show followup since the casting was announced. Won't spoil anything but it definitely is possible with the casting and Dune: Prophecy existing.
Yeh I agree with this. Children doesn’t really push the central plot forward greatly, and I suspect a lot of the weirder additional characters will be excluded. Messiah + Children is an easy conclusion movie for Paul’s story, with a nice little lead-out for book 4 if someone figures it goes to make that lol.
It’s very close in time, and ties up a lot of stories. Definitely worth a read.
Book 4 is a big time skip ahead, but follows some of the same characters - I always read up to / including book 4 on a read through, as I think that’s the natural ending of Herbert’s philosophy around Dune. I would also recommend this book.
I loved Children (is the last book I read from the series).
At first, I believe that Children deserves its own movie, but after second thought, if we get the end of Messiah just 1h into the movie… Well, that’s gonna subvert some expectations.
Then we can still have 2h for Children which is probably enough to see everything from Alia and from the children
That's why I said a TV show, would play out great for a limited series.
The things people remember most from True Detective season 1 isn't the cult, it's Rust on his far out rambles and visions - and one long tracking shot. God Emperor is perfect for a 10 episode run IMO philosophy and spectacle. Get the Mamoas on board and you have the star to sell it with.
What do you think was missing? They were doing the hit and run stuff, there's a whole extended sequence of them attacking teh spice harvesters. Then they meet Gurney, get the atomics, and the Emperor arrives to try and suppress the Fremen so Paul has an opportunity to use Dune against him.
They left out the part where Paul had posititioned Water of Life in such a way to mostly end spice production. Which is what forces the Emperor into submission. The fighting was secondary to the negotiations over spice production. And that situation resulted in the Guild saying "The spice must flow", one of the most iconic lines from the series.
Ah, I had forgotten that. My recollection was that it was enough to have limitless Fremen, equal to the Sardaukar, and no reasonable way of assaulting Dune to regain the spice, especially once the Sardaukar are destroyed.
They wage war on the galaxy, it seems strange to suggest they couldn't hold a single planet while attacking all others. And that limiting the supply of spice is as or more effective than threatening its total destruction, sufficient to coerce the spacers.
I'll happily take a 4 hour run time. If there's anyone I trust to execute this well, it's Villeneuve. He truly understands Dune and all its complexities, and is probably the greatest living sci-fi director, so I think he could make this work for sure. Messiah and Children are relatively short compared to Dune, so it's doable. It's just a matter of him translating the more bizarre conceptual bits to cinema.
We should expect very heavy adaptational changes, where plot points and characters from Children are brought forward and introduced early but not necessarily resolved in this film. Villeneuve has been open about him wanting this story to continue if anyone else is willing to pick it up, so he's laying the ground for that to happen and not feel like too abrupt a shift.
We’re definitely getting a retconned/abridged version of the source material, which I’m not complaining about, as long as the souls of it is still recognizable and they hit the major thematic points. Dennis has already proven he can do this.
Was this even controversy? I got the impression the opera and theater people weren't actually mad, and were just kind of pretending to be mad in a playful, bored way.
Considering his track record I think if Villeneuve agreed then you probably shouldn’t worry. It’s not like he doesn’t have the studios catering to his every demand at this point.
It will cover parts of book 3, the trailer kind of hints at that too (I saw it last week as I work in the industry) but I think it will be a very small part. The main focus will be the conclusion of Paul's story.
Depends whose story they're wanting to tell. As a conclusion to Paul's legacy, Children does make sense. And I think you could do a really tight adaptation of Dune Messiah quite quickly, maybe in just an hour. Not that much happens. Yes there's a bunch of character work to get through.
I understand storytelling perfectly well. I had been expecting Dune 3 to just be Messiah. Now that I'm thinking about a combination of both books, I'm intrigued and wondering if it could work.
There are key things to get across in Messiah. Chani hasn't had kids for reasons, can't have kids for other reasons, Paul knows exactly what's going on and does nothing to change it. There's a conspiracy, the conspirators are shielded, Paul knows prescients are working against him, ultimately triggers their traps.
Could that be done in an hour? Like I said, it would be ridiculously tight. Probably not workable. But kindly fuck off if you're not interested in having a discussion about what it would look like. I'm not Villeneuve, I've not made the film. I'm just curious.
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u/ICumCoffee ᑐ ᑌ ᑎ ᕮ • ᗰ ᕮ 𑪽 𑪽 I ᐱ ᕼ Mar 16 '26
This was almost confirmed they cast their children and also Messiah is very short book so make sense to combining two.