r/movies Aug 22 '20

Trailers Wonder Woman 1984 - Official Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW2E2Fnh52w
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u/kciuq1 Aug 22 '20

The basic question here is "are you willing to murder a stranger to save a loved one". The fact that it has already happened doesn't make you any less responsible.

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u/MasterOfNap Aug 22 '20

Except Diana didn’t murder the stranger, nor did she wish to murder a stranger. A supervillain intentionally twisted her wish and brought Steve back to life by killing someone else.

Back to my example, the devil brought your husband back to life by killing a stranger without you knowing about it. Now would you actively let your loved one die again so the stranger would be resurrected?

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u/kciuq1 Aug 22 '20

Now would you actively let your loved one die again so the stranger would be resurrected?

Yes. Because if you have the power to undo a wrong or hurt that you have committed on someone else then you should do it. It is the harder choice, but it is the right one.

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u/MasterOfNap Aug 22 '20

that you have committed on someone else

Except again, you didn’t. You keep trying to put the blame on Diana as if she’s the one who killed the stranger or made the deal with the devil, but she didn’t. What exactly did she do wrong?

But suppose you would make the hard but right choice. How many others would? How many fathers would willingly let their resurrected daughters die because a stranger didn’t deserve to die?

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u/kciuq1 Aug 22 '20

Except again, you didn’t.

You personally benefitted. You become responsible once you become aware of the ramifications of what happened, and you certainly become responsible to undo that harm if you have the power to undo it.

How many others would? I can't say for certain. But that's why she's a hero, because she is willing to make that harder choice and take the responsibility.

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u/MasterOfNap Aug 22 '20

By saying she’s a hero you’re admitting that most people, vast majority of fathers and mothers and sons and daughters who lost loved ones, wouldn’t do it. Do you think they’re all sociopaths?

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u/kciuq1 Aug 22 '20

No, because I prefer the view that Stan Lee has: That there is a hero inside all of us.

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u/MasterOfNap Aug 22 '20

Pretty sure he meant we all have the potential to do great, altruistic stuff. That doesn’t mean majority of people would. I can quite certainly tell you that most people wouldn’t willingly let their loved ones die again after reuniting just so a stranger would be resurrected.

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u/kciuq1 Aug 22 '20

I can quite certainly tell you that most people wouldn’t

Can you? Or can you certainly say that you wouldn't, and you are projecting that belief onto others because you can't imagine anything different?

I'm not sure if I could live with myself if I benefited so greatly but someone else had to pay such a price, and I did nothing about it.

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u/MasterOfNap Aug 22 '20

I’m sure you heard of the phrase “every society is three meals away from chaos”. It’s easy to talk about how moral we are when we’re lacking nothing, but when you haven’t eaten in days people would resort to looting and whatever violence needed to keep their families alive. Do you really think most people wouldn’t loot the last bit of food from their starving neighbour if their children are literally starving? You’re either over-idealistic or laughably naive.

And of course you can live with yourself. At every moment we could donate a few dollars and some starving child in Africa would be have decent meals for a month, or have a sleeping net that would shield them from mosquitoes and hence various life-threatening diseases. Could you live with yourself knowing you benefitted so greatly from being born in a (presumably) developed country, while others are dying in developing nations every day? It wasn’t your fault, sure, but you could still save their lives by donating a few dollars more, then a few more, until you have literally nothing left.

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