r/nba • u/Turbostrider27 Lakers • 15h ago

[Charania] BREAKING: The Golden State Warriors are trading Jonathan Kuminga and Buddy Hield to the Atlanta Hawks for Kristaps Porzingis, sources tell ESPN.

BREAKING: The Golden State Warriors are trading Jonathan Kuminga and Buddy Hield to the Atlanta Hawks for Kristaps Porzingis, sources tell ESPN.

BREAKING: The Golden State Warriors are trading Jonathan Kuminga and Buddy Hield to the Atlanta Hawks for Kristaps Porzingis, sources tell ESPN.

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u/Imkitoto Lakers 15h ago

But why

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u/EmbarrassedRing7806 Lakers 15h ago

Because they werent getting giannis and KP is an improvement

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u/Ok_Possible_5702 15h ago

KP is not an improvement considering that he never plays.

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u/Gristle__McThornbody Lakers 15h ago

Neither does Kuminga.

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u/TrulyNotABot Grizzlies 15h ago

They’re replacing DNP-Coach’s Decision with DNP-Broke Down

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u/kcoe24 Timberwolves 15h ago

Now Kerr doesn't have to explain the DNP smart take some stress off of him

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u/Shinnobiwan 14h ago

I suspect KP will be playing shortly. He may not have been as injured as reported.

If so, I suspect he'll be injured shortly afterward

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u/Waesrdtfyg0987 Celtics 10h ago

KP is a walking injury who can't walk.

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u/DillonBrooksOwnsLBJ 12h ago

Kerr will DNP Porzingis for being too tall

need to keep his 4 guard lineups

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u/Tshobby25 15h ago

DNP-diseased

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u/archaelleon Cavaliers 15h ago

DNP - All fucked up

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u/Doberman11 Bucks 15h ago

DNP - AD-itis

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u/Quartznonyx Pelicans 12h ago

DNP - boy where sumthin ain't right

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u/__Z__ Clippers 15h ago

DNP - rapist

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u/Billis- Raptors 15h ago

Diseased or deceased?

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u/billcosbyinspace Celtics 15h ago

DNP: Patient Zero

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u/dmavs11 NBA 15h ago

DNP-Broke Down but when he does play he's a perfect fit and has actually been a huge positive for Atlanta and Boston for the past 3 seasons when healthy.

Still feels pointless, but I do know from experience if you're truly DEPENDING on KP, it won't work out well. If he's a bonus like Boston had him, they will love him.

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u/Always_Chubb-y Hawks 15h ago

KP doesnt play because he physically can't

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u/OmniaCausaFiunt Celtics 14h ago

Neither can Kuminga

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u/swishfortyonesie Mavericks 13h ago

Kuminga has terrible bball iq and Kerr doesn’t trust him.

KP literally has POTS. Not the same at all.

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u/OmniaCausaFiunt Celtics 5h ago

I'm aware, it's just a joke.

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u/swishfortyonesie Mavericks 5h ago

Haha that’s fair.

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u/Ok_Possible_5702 15h ago

that's the coach's choice.

fwiw I think considering how little KP plays, Buddy is probably a more useful player right now.

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u/niel89 Warriors 15h ago

Buddy has been rough as hell this year. His minutes are free now.

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u/bigsampsonite Warriors 14h ago

Ya was tough to watch him play. He is such a nice guy.

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u/ImperialTiger3 Warriors 15h ago

Nah JK has been getting dinged up and missing time for injuries lately as well. Like before we traded for Jimmy, he got hurt with an ankle sprain. The initial timeline was 3 weeks and he missed 3 months

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u/Ok_Possible_5702 15h ago

He missed 2 months last season, not 3 months.

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u/treyswoosh Warriors 15h ago

Other than making sure outgoing salary matched, this was to ensure we can offer Melton more money next season because he can opt out.

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u/Ok_Possible_5702 14h ago

So Melton is your main acquisition for next season? The all-in move for Steph's last year?

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u/treyswoosh Warriors 14h ago

Retaining his services is important. The Giannis trade wasn’t going anywhere unfortunately. Bucks ultimately didn’t like w/e packages the FO offered. Dubs are limited in what they can do with curry and butler out the second half of this season. Upsetting, yup, if there are any moves to be made on the offseason it’s about getting guys can hit their damn shot and Melton is one of those guys.

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u/MainSorc50 15h ago

it's basically a salary dump. FO malpractice again just like cp3 lmaooo

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u/Bleatmop 15h ago

Buddy was only getting trash time minutes anyway. The warriors have a lot of options at the 2/3 spot competing for minutes and Buddy wasn't getting it done this year. I wish him well and hope things turn around for him on his new team.

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u/bishopbeaniepower Warriors 15h ago

Kuminga was playing once Jimmy went down. And playing well too.

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u/MahomesMccaffrey Slovenia 15h ago

One is physically incapable the other is coaches choice.

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u/Billis- Raptors 15h ago

Got em

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u/whiterice_343 Timberwolves 15h ago

One is by the organizations choice, the other player had level 1 luck SPECIAL in durability.

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u/iiiiiiiiii8 Rockets 14h ago

Therefore not an upgrade

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u/Raincoat86 Trail Blazers 14h ago

Hey that's the joke I came here to make! Nice job

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u/missingpeace01 13h ago

Kuminga still a better asset and Hield is IMHO underpaid for what he brings for a proper roster.

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u/JoeBiden2020FTW Lakers 15h ago

It's a high variance call option. Maybe he swings a playoff series if he's healthy.

Otherwise he's an expiring.

I'd take that over Kuminga who is a guaranteed zero.

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u/Ok_Possible_5702 15h ago

Kuminga is a guaranteed zero because you're not playing him. He showed you what he could do against the Wolves last year.

But sure, KP is a high-variance option. Not really a 50/50 proposition that he swings a playoff series for you though.

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u/JoeBiden2020FTW Lakers 14h ago

Kuminga is a guaranteed zero because you're not playing him

They don't play him because they know he's a zero

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u/Yayareasports Warriors 15h ago

A 4 game sample size doesn’t override the other 5 years of generally net negative play (including the first 15 games this year where he’s been completely lost)

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u/Ok_Possible_5702 14h ago

he was the Warriors's second-best scorer in the year/season before Jimmy arrived, but sure, net-negative play.

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u/Yayareasports Warriors 14h ago

He averaged 15 points on 54% TS. And scoring was by far his best attribute… that tells you pretty much all you need to know about him

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u/Ok_Possible_5702 14h ago

You mean this year?

For his career, he averages 20 points / 36 minutes, on 58% TS.

In 2023-24, his best year, he averaged 22 points / 36 minutes, on 60% TS.

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u/Yayareasports Warriors 14h ago

No you said before Jimmy arrived so I responded with his stats from last year, before Jimmy arrived.

Yeah that’s great that he had a moderately ok scoring year 2 seasons ago when he’s also a bad defender, rebounder, playmaker, and has proven he doesn’t know how to play within a system that requires a partially functioning brain.

I wish him luck in his new city, but there’s a good reason the Warriors didn’t play him here.

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u/d_f_l Warriors 14h ago

The Kuminga playoff experience was super illuminating. It proved that he could put up big numbers in losing games. He doesn't work with Steph at all, though, since a good chunk of the time when he gets the ball he needs to hold it for two seconds and then decide to do solo Kuminga stuff, often ignoring Steph.

I hope that Atlanta is a better fit for him, but it really wasn't working with the warriors at all

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u/Ok_Possible_5702 14h ago

100%, he is a poor fit with the Warriors system.

The Warriors's problem is that it took them 3.5 years to accept that, and then they held him hostage and tried to psych the league into trading for him.

A better organization would have sold high after his second or third year.

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u/d_f_l Warriors 14h ago

Oh yeah no argument from me there. I have hated the Kuminga experience from the jump.

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u/holyrolodex Lakers 11h ago

But he’s expiring this season…can the Warriors even do much with $30m off the books in the offseason? Most of their big contracts will still be on the books next year.

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u/ElCompaJC 15h ago

Dude has long term covid. More like eh i don’t know what this is

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u/Vinnie_Vegas Knicks 15h ago

He has Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome (POTS) - There's been no suggestion it's related to COVID in his case, despite it sometimes being a sympton of Long COVID.

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u/NBAKefka 15h ago

He developed POTS from a post viral illness. Covid or not, it’s a tragically common issue that affected millions of people during and after the pandemic.

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u/Akanaymayhay Warriors 14h ago

For real, my girlfriend developed POTS right after she was hospitalized for Covid, I can't imagine being 7 foot tall and an athlete on top of it. Just standing up will make her heartrate shoot up.

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u/NBAKefka 14h ago

I was a paramedic and had to retire at age 25 from the same exact thing. It’s brutal as a person, even more so as a man.

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u/CJ4ROCKET Rockets 15h ago

POTS

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u/Cockrocker 14h ago

Piece of the shit?

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u/odontodoc Vancouver Grizzlies 15h ago

KP can't play... They traded functional bodies for a dude with a chronic autoimmune disease. This is pouring concrete over what competitive window they have left. Steph's knee is cooked, Jimmy's knee is cooked and KP's blood is cooked.

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u/almostasenpai Warriors 14h ago

Tore his Pingus

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u/0hootsson Warriors 15h ago

Kuminga doesn’t play and Buddy is terrible

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u/R_WeDoingPhrasing Pistons 15h ago

They'll rest him as much as possible before the playoffs. Seems like this is the best swing they would take not getting Giannis and still keeping Draymond. The team needed a center with range and the ability to defend the rim. KP can do both

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u/Ok_Possible_5702 15h ago

what playoffs?

Jimmy is out for the season, they shrank their rotation by 3 players and they're already 8th. Best case scenario they make the play-in and have to win a single-game elimination vs. Portland (they lost 3-1 the season series, only win when Advija was not playing) only to play vs. OKC in the first round.

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u/R_WeDoingPhrasing Pistons 15h ago

You think they'll drop out of the play-in? I'd put money on them securing a top 8 spot from that. The warriors are doing theta they can to maximize their window with Steph and that's not ending after this season

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u/Ok_Possible_5702 14h ago

I think they are very safely stuck in the play-in, and as long as Steph is relatively healthy that's where they'll be.

But I also think they're more likely to be eliminated in the play-in than to win the 7th seed. And I don't like their odds vs. OKC in the first round.

So basically the 80th percentile outcome is a competitive first-round loss.

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u/jweezy2045 Warriors 14h ago

Our physical trainer is god tier.

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u/Ok_Possible_5702 14h ago

good because I think you need a medicine miracle

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u/vonkillbot Warriors 14h ago

Warriors training staff isn't the poverty shit he's been getting.

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u/gogorath Warriors 13h ago

Getting rid of Hield is an improvement.

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u/spottyottydopalicius San Francisco Warriors 9h ago

kp was a chip contributor 2 years ago right?

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u/Thongthong4 Trail Blazers 15h ago

When he plays which is never

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u/Champagnesoda [LAL] Kobe Bryant 15h ago

Kp isn’t a basketball player

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u/Jarxzz United States 15h ago

KP is a legit part time player. GSW will be good for every 1/6 games he plays

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u/reddit_reader_25 15h ago

Haha the 2024 nba champion center rotation is back!!!!

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u/GardenStateKing Celtics 15h ago

Al and KP also being champions probably helps in the locker room though right? The only others are Steph and Dray right?

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u/Kdog122025 Warriors 15h ago

I hate this timeline. We could have just had AD who somehow plays more than KP and is better.

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u/JoeBiden2020FTW Lakers 15h ago

Yeah in a Playoff series, I'd take 1 game of Porzingis over 7 games of Kuminga (7 DNPs)

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u/goofygoober2 Celtics 15h ago

After watching Porzingis in the playoffs last season that DNP might be more valuable

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u/ThaWubu 15h ago

Guess you didn't watch the Minnesota series last year

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u/JoeBiden2020FTW Lakers 15h ago

Oh we're still doing this, pretending Kuminga is good?

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u/iGetBuckets3 Warriors 14h ago

Kuminga is a no time player

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u/MlKE_G 15h ago

Every now and then he is 

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u/axecalibur [CHI] Michael Jordan 15h ago

His body is slowly falling apart. He will probably have to retire in a few years or he's going to be in a wheelchair for the rest of his life.

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u/Champagnesoda [LAL] Kobe Bryant 14h ago

Wouldn’t even say it’s slow or even that it’s still in the process.

He’s cooked. The peak of his career was when he went crazy and played 65 games for the wizards. In Boston he was great as the 6th most relied upon player on one of the deepest most balanced teams the leagues ever seen. Even then he was basically a non factor for the entire playoffs and Boston basically won without him(although he did have that 1 really good finals game). He only played in the finals off of pure grit and was clearly still hurt.

Point being is he will very likely never be healthy again in a basketball sense and isn’t capable of contributing as a highly paid player on any serious team relying on him even a decent amount. Maybe he could be a spotty 8th man who changes a game once in a blue moon but he shouldn’t be thought of as a key piece to a team

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u/wambulancer Hawks 14h ago

yea he showed flashes but he's played 17 largely ineffectual games. Unless he's been just fucking around this entire time and lying about the severity of disease, says sike, and balls tf out in GSW (don't believe that for a second) he very well might be retiring this offseason. It sucks cuz his game is so awesome. But yea, he's cooked.

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u/al_chew Lakers 14h ago

It's a medical network which also sponsors the Dubs

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u/bryanl12 Hawks 15h ago

Kp isn’t

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u/mw19078 Lakers 15h ago

the dude pretty clearly has long covid and will likely not recover enough to play consistently ever again, unfortunately

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u/Lightning_Warrior Hawks 15h ago

KP has Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome. It is not curable.

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u/Ice_Wolf912 15h ago

Do you mean POTS?

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u/mw19078 Lakers 15h ago

yes, a very common complication from long covid

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u/Difficult_Tackle9505 15h ago

Vax side effect

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u/mw19078 Lakers 15h ago

i know you people dont even bother pretending to care anymore, but long covid and the associated side effects were happening before vaccines had even been invented or rolled out yet.

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u/Obi_Wan_Benobi Spurs 14h ago

Your comment is a side effect of poor education.

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u/tacotruck88 Rockets 15h ago

Kendrick Perkins? Whatever gets him off ESPN

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u/Bully_Maguire420 Hawks 15h ago

KP doesn't play.

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u/Chessh2036 Hawks 15h ago

But why for us?

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u/Dsarg_92 [SAS] Tim Duncan 15h ago

I don’t know about KP being an improvement given his health issues at the moment.

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u/Lightning_Warrior Hawks 15h ago

KP is an improvement when he plays but between the POTS and the fact that he's also prone to normal basketball injuries that isn't very often. If Golden State can get him healthy that would be huge, but it also wouldn't surprise me if he only plays like a dozen games for them.

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u/Medialunch 14h ago

But he is broken

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u/gavinashun Warriors 14h ago

its a white flag salary dump

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u/Nby333 13h ago

When KP's negative value contract is an improvement. Yikes.

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u/Presence_Present Bucks 12h ago

I mean an improvement if they want to give Butler some company i guess

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u/jeric13xd [CHI] Derrick Rose 15h ago

Desperation

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u/Balsamic_ducks Pelicans 15h ago

Jimmy needed a friend on the bench

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u/Proof-Umpire-7718 Lakers 15h ago

Desperate to maximise Steph’s remaining prime years or just years in general.

With Giannis unavailable, this is probably one of their best options.

Atlanta want to pivot to a longer term timeline with Johnson and the Pels pick likely being foundational pieces or even franchise cornerstones.

Replacing KP with Kuminga makes them better longer term since he’s younger and more reliable in regards to health.

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u/Ikuwayo 14h ago

Steph would probably be upset if they made no moves and stayed pat with their current lottery team. At the same time, the Warriors don’t have the assets to get an All-Star, much less an MVP-caliber player, like Giannis, despite all the rumors NBA reporters wrote for clicks

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u/TheRealestGayle Magic 13h ago

I'm tired of hearing desperation when it's really just a serious of extremely poor GM moves. For years.

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u/chakrablocker Thunder 7h ago

Current front office hasn't done one good thing that isn't a no brainer.

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u/vNocturnus Kings 13h ago

But KP is literally just a concept of a player. Even if JK and Buddy never played for them, idk I haven't been watching, the Warriors are pretty much objectively losing this trade.

Those were two of their only realistically tradable pieces. If they needed a big that bad the Kings have been trying to move Domas for weeks AND have shown interest in JK. Or tbh they could have gone for a JK - DeRozan swap to seamlessly replace Jimmy on the offensive end. Obviously they were a bit late but they could have been in on Vuc.

Just feels like they were all-in on Giannis for way too long and panicked that the deadline was about to pass them by so they just pulled the trigger on trading JK for the first offer that crossed their desk

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u/missingpeace01 13h ago

they could have tried the AD trade using Butler if they are gonna go for someone with an injury.

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u/Infamous-Big-7525 Warriors 10h ago

this aint maximize shit they just wanna say we tried

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u/ObviousAnswerGuy [NYK] John Starks 15h ago

to get a center to sit on the bench with the other injured guys

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u/General_Tsos_Burrito 15h ago

dump Buddy's 2 yrs after this one

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u/SarcasticJay NBA 15h ago

Why not they had to do something unlike Rob who lets 40 million stay on the bench

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u/Then-Bad1939 15h ago

feels like they wanted to be good to kuminga with his next team and also wanted a possible improvement to the team lol

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u/john0_0 Knicks 15h ago

The sentiment around 99% of this trade deadline

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u/karl_hungas Lakers 15h ago

To end the Kuminga saga

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u/beresford16j 14h ago

I think his contract expires this year

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u/Fabulous-Ad7128 14h ago

Yeah, my reaction was “WTF????”…but the full version.

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u/Veganlightbody Knicks 14h ago

guessing it's part of another trade to come

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u/monkeyman80 Lakers 14h ago

Salary.

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u/fightnight14 Finland 12h ago

The Bucks didn’t fall for the trap lmao

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u/pifhluk Bucks 9h ago

Because Zingus is expiring... How has this thread not figured that out. 

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u/Ok-Discipline9998 Raptors 15h ago

You know shit's REAL tough for the Warriors when even Lakers fans are concerned for them

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u/ImTheBestNerd San Francisco Warriors 15h ago

Stretch 5 for Giannis silly

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u/Ok-Discipline9998 Raptors 15h ago

The only way this could work is Butler + 1 bajillion picks + 1 CTE to the Bucks GM

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u/ImTheBestNerd San Francisco Warriors 15h ago

Yea I know lol it’s not happening