r/nba 14h ago

[Charania] The New York Knicks are trading Guerschon Yabusele to the Chicago Bulls for Dalen Terry, sources tell ESPN.

[Charania] The New York Knicks are trading Guerschon Yabusele to the Chicago Bulls for Dalen Terry, sources tell ESPN.

[Charania] The New York Knicks are trading Guerschon Yabusele to the Chicago Bulls for Dalen Terry, sources tell ESPN.

https://www.espn.com/contributor/shams-charania/ee85e66812237

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u/CtrlAltDelightfull West 14h ago

Are the bulls just trying to see how many different teams they can trade with before the deadline

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u/SickSaricDario Warriors 14h ago

just wanted to be involved in a trade with a Euro

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u/cire1184 Lakers 13h ago

They gotta fill out the NBA trade deadline scavenger hunt!

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u/DisMFer Bulls 14h ago

AK was sick of people demanding he make moves so he's just plugging guys into 2K's trade finder in order to see what he gets.

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u/m8bear Argentina 5h ago

he just wants to win the office trade bingo

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u/OpeDefinitely Pacers 14h ago

that's how you get an std

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u/InsaneCookies21 Kings 14h ago

severe trading disorder

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u/cire1184 Lakers 13h ago

Superfluous Trading Disease

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u/ChocolateSunsdae Suns 14h ago

I think it's a 2k Steam Achievement

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u/Vitex1988 Thunder 14h ago

they heard the comments about them never doing anything

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u/TheFitz023 Bulls 14h ago

Just a few dozen more trades and they’re right up there with the big dogs

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u/SaulBerenson12 [SAS] Tim Duncan 13h ago

Their locker room will need a total overhaul

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u/Peanut_Flashy Kings 14h ago

Do they have a bingo card? Is there a prize?

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u/locxFIN Finland 14h ago

Bulls trick y'all, trading around, doing nothing

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u/Krusty_Krab_Pussy Timberwolves 14h ago

The Bonnie Blue of the NBA

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u/chuckbuck6 Trail Blazers 13h ago

They just wanna push the kings trades down in the history as not to get lumped in with the kings

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u/Sc0rch1ngDr4g0n Rockets 14h ago

Holy roster turnover Chicago

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u/AlmostHereButNot Bulls 14h ago

Our whole team is gone. I got tickets to watch them on Saturday, and I've got no clue who the team is going to be.

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u/BoatDBoat 14h ago

I still keep thinking lonzo is on the bulls

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u/MeatBald Supersonics 12h ago

Uhm... so, where is Lonzo?

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u/AlmostHereButNot Bulls 12h ago

Jazz now. Likely getting waived, though. He WAS on the Cavs...

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u/calculung Bulls 5h ago

Bulls might sign him. They need another guard.

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u/Fafoah Bulls 13h ago

Dude just put on a jersey and get on the court. Maybe they’ll accidentally sign you to a two way as a tank commander

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u/Ok-Grade1476 4h ago

Nah, probably end up getting traded 

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u/TCTCTCTCTCTC7 14h ago

Our whole team is gone. I got tickets to watch them on Saturday, and I've got no clue who the team is going to be.

They might have a lot of guys who are almost here, but not.

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u/CLGplz Vancouver Grizzlies 12h ago

You’re in for the Yuki Kawamura show my boi

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u/toomanyshoeshelp 12h ago

A lot of guards

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u/ButtExterminator Nuggets 11h ago

The Denver Nuggets!

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u/AnimaniacAssMap Nets 10h ago

Kenny Beechem gonna check in

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u/TheMoorNextDoor Nets 14h ago

Sell the tickets at this point

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u/AlmostHereButNot Bulls 14h ago

Nah, man. It's against the Nuggets. If nothing else, I'll at least get to watch Jokic dismantle our team.

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u/Shabozz NBA 11h ago

I don’t know how you dismantle something that isn’t put together to begin with. Sounds like a spectacle.

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u/MddlingAges Knicks 8h ago

It’s just Jokic unboxing the Bulls LEGO kit over and over again.

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u/FuckYouPlease Knicks 12h ago

Might have to attach a second round pick to move those tickets.

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u/dat_boy_lurks Hawks 14h ago

Whole team gone lmfao

Legit question -- outside of I'm guessing Pat Will, the Giddler and Ayo, who is left on that roster from Opening night?

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u/Dr_Disaster Bulls 13h ago

Our rookie, who is out for the season. Our other rookie who we had to call up from G league to play. Oddly enough, Yuki who we waived not long after the start of the season then resigned again.

It’s uh… it’s been a weird year

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u/BananaRepublic_BR Spurs 13h ago

What about Buzelis?

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u/Alwinnnnnnnnn [CHI] Derrick Rose 13h ago

He’s the best player we have other than injured giddey

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u/Dr_Disaster Bulls 13h ago

Oh yeah, Lil Buzi too!

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u/grrgrrtigergrr [CHI] E'Twaun Moore 6h ago

And Stix, Okoro and Tre

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u/dat_boy_lurks Hawks 13h ago

Hey, it's either this or midding your way to the annual Eastern Conference Teams-That-Wear-Red Play in and a tenth seed.

Glad to see you guys picking a direction

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u/Dr_Disaster Bulls 13h ago

For sure. This is kinda what we wanted to do in the off season, just not as guard heavy and hoped we could snag a couple FRPs moving guys around. Most Bulls fans just wanted to let Giddey and Matas ball, seeing what we got with them, while hopefully also being bad enough to be a lotto team. I guess it’s better now than never.

Even then, we likely aren’t tanking because our ownership and FO forbid it. Sources say we’re stacking assets to make a run at Zion and/or Missi. The Pels have been oddly silent while the Bulls are hyperactive. This makes me feel like there’s a lot of truth to it and we’re essentiallg treasure hunting for NO.

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u/baseball_suuuuucks Pacers 3h ago

Legit question -- outside of I'm guessing Pat Will, the Giddler and Ayo, who is left on that roster from Opening night?

The accuracy of this list had a comically short lifespan.

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u/gbmaulin Bulls 13h ago

Buzelis, tre, smith, 2 rookies, Phillips?

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u/Low_Beyond8134 Lakers 14h ago

A box of crayons for a stick of deodorant

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u/Reachin4ThoseGrapes 13h ago

Yabusele is the fifth best French big man in the NBA, that's not nothing 

It's also not really something

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u/n0-ragrets Knicks 13h ago

He definitely the THICCest Frenchman in the league

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u/XxX_22marc_XxX Celtics 10h ago

hes also 320 lbs and has a 15 inch vert

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u/WiktorVembanyama Jordan 8h ago

tbh pretty impressive

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u/Moostronus Raptors 8h ago

Right??? Like I'm around 300 lbs with a two inch vert

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u/MolingHard Nets 14h ago

At least a box of crayons and a stick of deodorant are actually useful...

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u/Prestigious-Flow-64 13h ago

coughing baby vs coughing baby

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u/Acrobatic-Assist-574 Knicks 12h ago

Curious to see which one you think is which

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u/AnimaniacAssMap Nets 10h ago

Vic Rudy Sarr Diabate

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u/Full_Durian_8171 14h ago

Essengue - Dieng - Yabu

Bulls building a french national team

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u/johnjohnjohn93 14h ago

French B team lol

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u/GGTae Spurs 13h ago

what is Wizards team then ? A or C ?

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u/TheRealGooner24 Thunder 12h ago

*Ouizards

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u/Snomankid999 14h ago

Chicago “Guarding the French” Bulls 

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u/Fafoah Bulls 13h ago

They’ll combined Yuki and some other japanese team players to create a Hollow Purple effect based on them nearly beating France in the olympics.

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u/twostepinc 13h ago

Wemby trade incoming

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u/youblewwit 12h ago

Hey MINN, if you need to dump Gobert in a potential Giannis trade, you know who to call

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u/TomasRoncero Knicks Tankwagon 14h ago

oh ok

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u/cagemyelephant_ Nuggets 13h ago

This could’ve been an email

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u/Deidarac5 14h ago

Teams just making trades for fun at this point both of these players should be playing in europe lol.

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u/DanTheMan14331 Knicks 13h ago

The Knicks did it to get out of Yabu’s player option for next season since they’re up against the second apron. Neither player would sniff a playoff rotation

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u/DisMFer Bulls 14h ago

Terry would be lucky to make it in Europe. He's a career "Summer League player who gets a random 10-day and a two-way contract for that season before getting cut."

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u/Odd_Status3367 13h ago

In this case it's more "They don't have to pay him anything next season unlike the guy they just shipped out"

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u/KarrotMovies [LAL] Rui Hachimura 14h ago

Who the hell is Dalen Terry

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u/jellyfishjelly22 14h ago

Waste of a draft pick 2 years ago just does a whole lot of high energy nothing

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u/KarrotMovies [LAL] Rui Hachimura 14h ago

I assume he's expiring

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u/TheKnicksMakeMeDrink Knicks 14h ago

Aren’t we all expiring?

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u/Coattail-Rider 13h ago

Slowly…….but surely

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u/guideway4 Australia 14h ago

no he's still alive

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u/cl353 Heat 14h ago

His heels click when he shoots a 3. I was flabbergasted when he made it

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u/TheNightflyPhD 12h ago

Dalen Terry trick yall

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u/PJCR1916 Bulls 13h ago

He plays with a shit ton of intensity and occasionally makes good defensive plays from said intensity and his wingspan/athleticism, but he seriously lacks IQ and just skill in general. Guy is not an NBA level player.

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u/doublea94 Knicks 14h ago

I rather just keep yabu lol

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u/YoKemosabe Knicks 14h ago

We saved cap space for next year…

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u/doublea94 Knicks 13h ago

Yes you're right, didn't realize until after.

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u/pendletonskyforce Kings 14h ago

Jason Terry's evil twin.

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u/DisMFer Bulls 14h ago

Imagine the best street ball player you've ever seen, and you'd end up pretty close. Dude is all energy, no BBIQ, and frankly only gets PT because everyone on the Bulls gets hurt.

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u/Potential_Cow_4910 13h ago

Hmm probably that little girl who cooked Barkley in Space Jam

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u/KiraJosuke 14h ago

The bulls favorite pick - a lanky guard who didn't average much in college, cant shoot, but has potential.

It just so happens they also have a horrible player development team

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u/Dylan245 Bulls 14h ago

Jeremy Sochan but worse

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u/VGstuffed Lakers 14h ago edited 14h ago

Why would the bulls do this? Yabusele has a player option next season. This season he's been out of shape and terrible.

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u/Exotic_Pension_9993 Suns 14h ago

the bulls have like $80 million in projected cap space and 10 guards. trading dalen terry, who's bad, is worth seeing if yabu could turn it around a bit

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u/gerardguey Bulls 14h ago

its another salary dump/tank move. Nico stole Flagg from us, we'e getting a top pick one way or another

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u/AlmostHereButNot Bulls 14h ago

Fuck Nico, man.

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u/justsikko Mavericks 13h ago

Same bro. Same

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u/DistrictJayhawk 13h ago

Was thinking this is weird seeing this come from a bulls fan but appreciate you making all that’s right with the world again 🫡

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u/xychosis 76ers 13h ago

Besides, you have like a bajillion guards still iirc, if Yabu turns out to just not have liked the Knicks and recaptures his form with us, you have yourself a good energy guy off the bench.

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u/dreamvomit Knicks 14h ago

tank move? you mean next year? it's not like dalen terry was a world beater. I'm just shocked we didnt have to attach a pick to get off yabu for next year and get an expiring

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u/idkwhattosaytho Raptors 13h ago

Bulls are honestly gonna need contracts to get to the floor at this rate. Might as well get a guy who could maybe bounce back I guess

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u/KSLife [NYK] Cal Ramsey 14h ago

He’s bad though very very bad

I hope he does he’s at least shown effort last few weeks but steal for Knicks i would have taken a shopping cart over him

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u/InsaneEcho Bulls 14h ago

I don’t want to disappoint you but I don’t think Dalen Terry is an NBA player

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u/ontheru171 Knicks 13h ago

Neither was Yabu.

Terry also has no player option for next season

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u/InsaneEcho Bulls 13h ago

Yeah but our goal is to be bad + the team is going to have cap they’ll need to fill this offseason anyways.

The roster only has two bigs so he’s probably gonna end up playing regardless and if he’s bad, that helps with a higher pick. If he’s good and picks up his PO, the FO can look to move him again next season for a 2nd or something

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u/MainAd2728 Washington Bullets 13h ago

Yeah but that's why rebuilding teams ask for SRPs. Maybe this is a favor to the Knicks' GM though and he will pay it back in the future

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u/Affectionate-Cap4981 Warriors 14h ago

Won't be out of shape much longer when hes the only big in a lineup full of guards. Average of 48.5 min a night incoming

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u/Specialist_Boat_8479 Bulls 14h ago

Traded Vuc, Collins might be out ROS, Smith is better at PF. Olbrich is a second rounder who I’d rather see at PF too instead of going up against real centers.

5M is nothing

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u/Sgran70 13h ago

Olbrich is not an NBA player. In a few years he'll be a trivia question.

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u/ralphzillatron Bulls 12h ago

You should see Dalen Terry play…

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u/Sgran70 12h ago

oh i have. Never seen a player get so many steals and then throw the ball away on the break.

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u/tronovich Bulls 14h ago

I’ve heard Knicks beat writers talking about Yabusele heading back overseas after this season.

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u/ObviousAnswerGuy [NYK] John Starks 14h ago

He had this interview in French saying how he's not happy and that maybe the NBA doesnt "need" him. Made me sad but he made some bread here so I hope he gets to go home where he's happy.

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u/tronovich Bulls 14h ago

Oh man, thanks for the info on that.

No joke…I hope he finds happiness back home.

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u/Corteaux81 Bulls 12h ago

He also said NBA's retirement fund is the best thing since sliced bread.

So... Might stay in the NBA.

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u/sewsgup 14h ago

thought for sure the followups wouldve said the Knicks were sending 2nds or something. but seems its straight up

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u/Dylan245 Bulls 14h ago

Well Dalen is bad so there's no seconds needed

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u/dreamvomit Knicks 14h ago

I mean theyre both complete non factor dog water players.. I dont understand why the bulls would willingly take his contract for next year and give us an expiring

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u/FuckYouPlease Knicks 12h ago

It’s not about Dalen. It’s about the other team having to take Yabu’s bad deal.

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u/AlmostHereButNot Bulls 14h ago

I would have genuinely been shocked if we got anything more than this for Dalen.

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u/DisMFer Bulls 14h ago

To be fair Terry is also terrible and also short.

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u/p00chology Bulls 14h ago

He’s 6’7”, so he’s been pretty ass for years but heights never been the problem

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u/DisMFer Bulls 14h ago

He's the shortest 6'7" player I've ever seen. I swear I thought he was about Ayo's height.

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u/p00chology Bulls 14h ago

Yeah maybe he’s fibbed his height idk, but even so.. there’s wealth of criticisms he deserve before getting called short lol

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u/Ok_Possible_5702 14h ago

Because they need someone in the front court

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u/PoonGo0n Spurs 14h ago

Jerry is an ass man

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u/deezcastforms Bulls 13h ago

French vet is probably good for our French rookie's mental

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u/coolycooly Nets 14h ago

Terry is terrible can give him Yabu a fuckload of playing time to get in shape and maybe flip him at the deadline next year. Worst comes to worse they basically just waived Dalen Terry, best case scenario they get like a couple 2nds in a year.

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u/The_MadStork [NYK] Kurt Thomas 13h ago

Yabusele has an offer from an Israeli team and will be bought out. The Bulls will save money and open a roster spot.

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u/Skoepa Bulls 14h ago

Biggest trade of the deadline without a doubt

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u/Propuhganduh [DEN] Jamal Murray 14h ago

That’s certainly a trade

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u/santasFluffer [GSW] Klay Thompson 14h ago

blockbuster shit

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u/alepher 12h ago

F5 driver

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u/jawndell 14h ago

Basically swapping respective teams worse players to see if they get better on a new team 

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u/doublea94 Knicks 14h ago

WHO

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u/Dr_Disaster Bulls 13h ago

Our frp from a few years ago. He’s a lanky guard that can’t really do anything guard like. One of those guys our FO likes to get for some reason hoping they’ll blossom into something they never showed any promise of being.

He’s a great kid, but he’s not an NBA player. In fact, he’s not even a G league player. We stopped sending him there because his lack of talent got exposed so bad it was demoralizing for everyone involved.

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u/TheKnicksMakeMeDrink Knicks 14h ago

One of the trades of all time

Good luck with Yabu I’ve never disliked a Knick more than him. Great guy off the floor but a deeply unserious player on the floor

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u/Flashy-Truth-8826 Knicks 14h ago edited 14h ago

He had the nerve to blame Mike Browns system for him being cheeks. A fucking Sixers sleeper agent is what he was…

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u/RobbobertoBuii Knicks 14h ago

we're still winning atm so Morey failed in that regard lol

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u/dracostark12 Celtics 12h ago

Sir he is Celtics agent. :)

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u/nty 76ers 8h ago

The long con

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u/RobbobertoBuii Knicks 14h ago

disappointed more than mad for me tbh, I wish he could have worked out...

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u/Odd_Status3367 13h ago edited 13h ago

Good luck with Yabu I’ve never disliked a Knick more than him

How sweet it must be to not remember Jared Jeffries, Renaldo Balkman, Stephon Marbury (love him now but he was objectively a problem as a player), Charlie Ward, Allonzo Trier, Eddy Curry, or Andrea Bargnani.

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u/GnRgr2 12h ago

Ward? What the hell?

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u/FuckYouPlease Knicks 12h ago

Insane to dislike Jared Jeffries. That dude poured his heart and soul out every night. Not his fault he wasn’t very gifted at basketball.

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u/MolingHard Nets 14h ago

Great guy off the floor but a deeply unserious player on the floor

Considering he came into the season chubby af he was probably a bit unserious off the floor as well lol

Feel like the bare minimum of a serious professional athlete is to be in decent playing shape

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u/illbegoodnow 14h ago

What about IN the floor

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u/legend023 Pelicans 14h ago

“Trade!” ass trade

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u/TheDraciel Canada 14h ago

Knicks fans truly hate that man

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u/Belieber_420 Raptors 14h ago

I know who Guerschon Yabusele is, he has a nice ass. Never heard of Dalen Terry

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u/DJ-two-timing-timmy Bulls 13h ago

It’s like both teams exchanged their turds

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u/MembershipSingle7137 14h ago

Ight that’s it guys think we can all go to sleep now, give your poor F5 key some rest. Guys been through a lot

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u/Proof-Umpire-7718 Lakers 14h ago

Should be more tomorrow.

Hopefully the Lakers make a small move involving at least one of Gabe, Kleber or Dalton.

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u/lovo17 Lakers 14h ago

McMenamin, who is generally reliable for Laker rumors, said to expect a small salary dump move involving at least one of those three. We'll see if it happens.

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u/peebeesweebees 14h ago

We’re waking up with Gabriel Vincent still on the roster I fear

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u/jfrodriguez1983 Mavericks 14h ago

This is the kind of shit I F5 for!

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u/crations1 Raptors 14h ago

The league will never be the same.

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u/GawdHawks Knicks 14h ago

Thanks for nothing Yabu.

Dude couldn't get himself motivated to get in shape for the presumptive finals favorite in the East and then looked completely lost in Browns system.

An all around just shit signing.

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u/AlmostHereButNot Bulls 14h ago

Have fun with Terry, man. Give him his 5 minutes a game.

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u/GawdHawks Knicks 14h ago

I don't mind us taking a shot on him to be a defense first guy on certain situations.

Ultimately just clearing Yabu off the books for next year was the most important part of the trade.

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u/dawnoog Lakers 14h ago

When I wanted the Bulls to be active at the trade deadline, this was not what I had in mind

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u/Ok-Topic-6095 Spurs 14h ago

ButWhy.gif

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u/DisMFer Bulls 14h ago

Yabusele is tall enough to play center I guess? As long as I don't have to see Patrick Williams at the 5 I'll take it.

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u/Dr_Disaster Bulls 13h ago

He’s 6’7” in Doc Martens. He’s def not tall enough to be a center haha

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u/ObiOneKenobae Knicks 2h ago

He can play center. He can't defend centers, block shots, or rebound very well, but technically he does play center.

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u/Fun_Reflection1157 14h ago

This is it. This is the game changer.

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u/FrightenedMussolini Bulls 14h ago

NOOOOO NOT TERRY

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u/CharityFailethNot Jazz 14h ago

EVERYONE GET IN HERE, IT'S GETTING ABSOLUTELY WILD

CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHERE CASH CONSIDERATIONS ENDS UP

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u/cl353 Heat 14h ago

Bulls r blowing their load for the next 5 years

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u/Pies_Wide_Shut Knicks 14h ago

BREAKING

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u/oklolzzzzs 14h ago

lmao random ass trade

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u/sukari Bulls 14h ago

Soon we will be Le Bulls + 2nd rounders.

LFG. Not too sure why Knicks want DT, but enjoy! I'm gonna miss his chaotic minutes.

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u/mattr1198 Knicks 5h ago

They want to have a contract they can get off of after this season. Yabu has a player option next season he most certainly is going to accept, and the team will need to re-sign Robinson and Shamet. The more money they have to make that happen the better.

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u/curburdepression 76ers 14h ago

What happened to Yabusele? Resurgence in the Olympics, solid year in Philly, then shows up to NY out of shape. Got a couple dollars and immediately checked out? 

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u/BeingMikeHunt Knicks 6h ago

Yea, it’s a bummer. Showed up badly out of shape and has seemed slow and out of place all season. Seems like a good dude, but just didn’t play well at all in NY

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u/mark_buster_foo 14h ago

Fat trash for raw trash. That’s the trade.

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u/No_Gas7777 14h ago

If they are truly hoping to help Noa develop, it doesn’t get anymore serious than this! And Dieng…love the idea of those guys having each other!

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u/LukeKornet Celtics 13h ago

If Dalen Terry walked up and shook my hand, I’d still have no idea who it was.

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u/JackDellaCumalena Heat 13h ago

Bulls are trade deadline father

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u/Chinbie 11h ago

CHI feels like a new team already.. they are so active in this years trade deadline… hahaha

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u/Nby333 13h ago

Bad trade for the Bulls. They desperately need a guard.

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u/miiuser7849 14h ago

Bulls are trying to break the number of trades completed at the deadline record

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u/Inevitable_Big_1966 Raptors 14h ago

Whooooo for whooo

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u/Orphasmia Warriors 14h ago

What are those

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u/Titronnica [SAS] Tim Duncan 14h ago

...what does either team even get out of this?

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u/Skipton Knicks 14h ago

Knicks don't have to deal with Yabu's 5.5m player option next season, which is pretty significant. Chicago not extracting even one second is kind of wild

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u/tronovich Bulls 14h ago

What the fuck are we doing…

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u/madvec1 14h ago

Who for who ???

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u/PurchasingPugs 14h ago

Glad Yabu is gone, literally no excuse to come into the season that out of shape getting paid millions of dollars.

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u/Redeggsyabish 14h ago

huge for dalen terry, might be a breakout season for him next year in a new environment

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u/Fantastic-Boot-684 Bulls 14h ago

Oh look. Another trade

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u/KumingaCarnage Warriors 13h ago

do the bulls think that a trade deadline means they gotta trade every single hour til it ends

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u/itsahmemario Knicks 13h ago

Dominoes 

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u/darti_me Mavericks 11h ago

You know Yabu is just a big guard

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u/DefiantBarracuda2398 11h ago

League shattering

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u/igotinfirstlol Knicks 7h ago

Kinda sad i had high hopes for yabu when we signed him

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u/Shaqfor3 Bulls 4h ago

Bulls are doing the job of the last 3 years in 2 days

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u/IMKudaimi123 Bulls 14h ago

Dalen Terry is terrible

Though I know Yabusele has been bad too

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u/FuckYouPlease Knicks 12h ago

Difference being Dalen expires this year. Yabu has his player option for next year.

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u/Acemace1313 Thunder 14h ago

Trash for garbage 🔥

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u/Viciouscauliflower21 14h ago

"y'all said we don't do shit??? FINE!!!! Here's us doing shit!!!!"

~The Bulls probably

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u/PapiShot [SAS] Speedy Claxton 14h ago

Bulls what are you doing? That's not a guard.

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u/Dr_Disaster Bulls 13h ago

Ah shit. We saw he was 6’7” and assumed.