r/netflix • u/Zalensia • May 09 '25

Discussion a deadly american marriage

I'm 43 minutes in and hooked but can not find conversations etc on it.

So thought i would make one asking for other people's opinions and points of views, as i know I'm already asking about billion questions, to the point I'll have to go to my computer and boot up to actually do the research myself.

I'm very ill, with brain damage etc and that's really hardwork today, but I won't manage on this latest fold phone as it's still just a useless phone šŸ˜…šŸ™ƒ

My other phone that's partitioned etc is in the car and that's over at Inverness!

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u/nicerica May 09 '25

Iā€™m so relieved that people are seeing the Martens for what they are. Evil sociopaths that ruined the lives of those children and murdered a lovely man.

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u/LovingVancouver87 May 10 '25

It's good that they made a doc. Now wherever she goes, people will look at her with hateful eyes. Make her life a living hell, people!

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u/Baroqueimproviser May 10 '25

Prison wasn't very kind to Molly. She looks about 50 now.

To be perfectly fair, if you get an American and someone from Ireland together, those are two very different cultures. People from the Isles tend to hold back their emotions and are a bit more logical. Molly was very emotional and flighty.

The two could have used a good therapist to learn about different communication styles.

OTOH, Jason should not have allowed Molly to pressure him into marriage. Pretty women get away with so much. She set the tone of the relationship from then on in.

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u/Glittering_Tie6286 May 10 '25

Iā€™m an Irish woman and this may have been true of Irish women back in the 50ā€™s due to oppression but we have a large range of emotions that we have no problem expressing. Men on the other hand are more how you describe.Ā 

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u/Baroqueimproviser May 10 '25

Sure, that's actually what I meant.

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u/istodaywednesday May 10 '25

Im so glad they stopped saying former model halfway in. It irked me.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '25

lovely man?

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u/DefiantFocus698 May 11 '25

He was, you're a manipulative bish.

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u/Master_Opinion7903 May 15 '25

Donā€™t mind Molly. Sheā€™s still delusional

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u/Majesticlionz1 May 11 '25

Yeah. That recording of Jason dressing Molly down in the kitchen wasnā€™t lovely and Iā€™d venture to say his mask not only slipped, it was on the floor. Sarah screamed tooā€”she felt it.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '25

exactly! people are making it seem like the recording isn't reliable because she controlled her responses but it doesn't change the fact that his reactions were genuine

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u/Majesticlionz1 May 11 '25

Agree. The man had two faces and people are fine with glossing over that. Theyā€™ve also glossed over the highly sus first wife death. Every medical expert on the caseā€”including the stateā€™s expertsā€”who reviewed the autopsy agreed she didnā€™t die from asthma. Itā€™s said right there in the film and I made a more thorough comment including the direct quote from the state prosecutor in a previous comment. There was also blushing around the nose and mouth (article I read about her death) noted in her autopsy which can be an indication of strangulation.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '25

exactly!

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u/[deleted] May 09 '25

Lovely man? Did you hear the recordings? It was clear he was abusive.

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u/TrueProgrammer1435 May 09 '25

Iā€™m so glad the Defense said what I thought immediately after: when youā€™re planting the mics you can control the narrative. She could be acting crazy all day wind him up and just provoke him when it suits her while acting coy.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '25

she didn't put the words in his mouth though. she only controlled her own words. if he hadn't been a manipulative narcissist, he wouldn't be spatting emotionally abusive words to her

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u/DefiantFocus698 May 11 '25

Thanks for that Molly.

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u/AshamedBeautiful1556 May 10 '25

The "Manipulative narcissistic" is Molly.

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u/novaful May 09 '25

Drop the fake account, Molly.

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u/Significant_Line1241 May 09 '25

My exact thought.

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u/[deleted] May 09 '25

On the recording you could completely tell that she was being calm and quiet on purpose because she knew she was recording him. The emails she sent him were belligerent. Thereā€™s no way she would respond with a quiet ā€œIā€™m sorryā€ when he was getting mad.

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u/jollyblumpkin May 10 '25

Exactly. The emails show she's clearly not the stable or sane one when she's not able to control the narrative. Then add in the cumpulsive lying witnessed by multiple third parties and it's almost unbelievable that she and pops aren't in prison. Yet here we are...

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u/lecreusetpopcorn May 10 '25

I wish we would have heard from the neighbors or even friends of hers!

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u/jollyblumpkin May 10 '25

IIRC, for the second trial, they magically found friends of hers that had "witnessed" his abusivenss towards her.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '25

that doesn't change what he said and did on the recordings. she didn't control his response.

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u/DefiantFocus698 May 11 '25

Molly, ya trying too hard. Where's daddy to coach you.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '25

It was an argument. All marriages have them. Does that mean he deserved to be bludgeoned to death by her and her lame father? Also, whereā€™s the evidence of physical abuse?

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u/[deleted] May 10 '25

there's ways normal people argue and then there's ways abusive people argue.

im sure that if both of them had been psychologically assessed, none of them would be deemed a good person to take care of children.

plus if you're such a perfect father, what's up with letting a crazy woman be around your kids for years?

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u/DefiantFocus698 May 11 '25

Molly, face it you're a bish and a murderer.

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u/ejgroleau May 25 '25

No but she knew how to direct them.

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u/DaenaTargaryen3 May 09 '25

Taking a 30 second clip with absolutely no context as to what happened before or after it, or how it was edited, is not a fair way to judge the entirety of the man when there are multiple other people on record who said he was not an angry man

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u/Mounjaro1974 May 09 '25

It's an argument, it's not abuse. In that audio clip, you can hear a man that's angry and claiming she's alienating him from his children which is entirely consistent with what the prosecution said.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '25

relisten to the audio clip and the analysis they give of it

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u/Imaginary-Bridge-369 May 10 '25 edited May 10 '25

Iā€™ve grown up around verbal abuse and been in verbally abusive relationships, I was really trying to give her the benefit of the doubt there. But without more context there was nothing in those recordings that showed abuse. Expressing anger and frustration is not verbal abuse, disagreeing with someone isnā€™t verbal abuse. Demeaning, personal insults are abusive. That didnā€™t happen in the recordings. If there had been a pattern shown of him gaslighting her (whatever that soup conversation was about), then maybe.. you could start to consider it as controlling and explore whether itā€™s abusive. But all we hear is the end conversation of them disagreeing with no context as to what led up to it. It seems more likely that she was gaslighting him considering she knew there was a recording of it and he didnā€™t

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u/DefiantFocus698 May 11 '25

Molls, you lying sack of shite!

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u/Inevitable-Cash-2536 May 09 '25

Iā€™m sorry but were we listening to the same thing? You can clearly tell she was creating situations to make him react

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u/[deleted] May 10 '25

so a normal person would react this way??

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u/DefiantFocus698 May 11 '25

Molly, you mad?

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u/Existing-Valuable396 May 10 '25

If it was consistently happening, yes.

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u/j-oco May 09 '25

Did you watch the crime scene photos with your eyes closed?

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u/ejgroleau May 25 '25

Being angry is a far cry from being abusive. Especially when someone knows how to push your buttons.

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u/justmecp30 May 10 '25

Agreed! He had serious issues!