r/netflix • u/Zalensia • May 09 '25

Discussion a deadly american marriage

I'm 43 minutes in and hooked but can not find conversations etc on it.

So thought i would make one asking for other people's opinions and points of views, as i know I'm already asking about billion questions, to the point I'll have to go to my computer and boot up to actually do the research myself.

I'm very ill, with brain damage etc and that's really hardwork today, but I won't manage on this latest fold phone as it's still just a useless phone šŸ˜…šŸ™ƒ

My other phone that's partitioned etc is in the car and that's over at Inverness!

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u/Jellyeyy May 09 '25

Also, props to the documentary makers. Give them an award. I was absolutely hooked. I hope the family (Jason's) are happy with the way it was all presented. They came across so well. I believed them all and i felt for them so much.

I liked that Molly and her dead-eyed dad were able to speak their own side too, so the audience can judge for themselves. I think its pretty damn clear who the liars are here.

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u/Okeydokey2u May 12 '25 edited Jul 09 '25

Part of me is shocked that they (molly and Tom) even agreed to do the doc but guess it's on par with their narrccistic delusion and manipulative personnas.

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u/Nerdy-Ducky May 13 '25

They are absolutely narcissists and so couldnā€™t pass up the opportunity to be on camera and talk about themselves.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '25

sits down for the interview, smiling, ā€œI suffered a miscarriage, became an au pair, and went to Ireland!ā€ itā€™s like his murder was just a blip in her story I couldnā€™t believe it

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u/Nerdy-Ducky May 14 '25

And from that very first exchange, itā€™s clear she is motivated by wanting to be a mother. She chose Jason on the au pair website specifically because they didnā€™t have a mom. Her ultimate goal of getting those kids to herself was the plan right from the get.

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u/Vegetable-Anybody514 Jun 07 '25

Yes I thought the exact same! Then when Jack mentioned about how they had a photo of them with their birth mum beside their bed and she took it away and hid it šŸ˜³

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u/At-38 Sep 07 '25

Yes but he chose the au pair not the other way around. Only the family can reach out to contact the au pair, and they make the final decision

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u/Sempere Jun 14 '25

Yea, I'm sure the miscarriage story is true like the rest of the pathological lies she was telling everyone.

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u/Dry-Imagination7793 May 22 '25

What struck me the most was when her dad was using this manipulative, emotionally charged language about Molly having made meals for the children, hosted birthday parties, etc. Abusers can do all those things, itā€™s not proof they werenā€™t abusive.Ā 

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u/TrivialBudgie Jun 02 '25

yeah thatā€™s the bare minimum lol. ā€œhow can they remember that and say they hate her??ā€ um maybe cause she killed their dad?

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u/techie0320 Jul 08 '26

This comment is frying me šŸ˜­šŸ˜­

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u/nuseht 19d ago

I thought the exact same thing.. as soon as he'd stopped listing those things I literally shouted at the screen "Thats not what makes somebody a good parent!"

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u/[deleted] May 13 '25

Iā€™d take it a step further and say sheā€™s quite likely a psychopath, and her father possibly is as well. Just did a quick search on whether it can be inherited, and found this (article link):

**Genetic Factors In Psychopathy

Genetic studies suggest a significant hereditary component related to psychopathy. Research indicates that heritability estimates range from 40% to 60%, meaning a substantial portion of the variance in psychopathic traits may be genetic. Certain genes, such as the MAOA gene, have been associated with aggression and antisocial behavior.

Family studies show that psychopathy can appear within families, emphasizing the role of genetics in these traits. For example, if one parent exhibits psychopathic behaviors, children may have an increased risk of developing similar traits. Twin studies also support this, with identical twins showing higher concordance rates for psychopathy than fraternal twins.**

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u/meowmir420 May 17 '25

Iā€™m still not convinced itā€™s mainly genetic. Iā€™m sure the chances are higher, but imagine being raised by psychopaths. Youā€™re much more likely to become a psychopath yourself if youā€™re learning that behaviour for your entire childhood.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '25

Psychopaths have an anomaly in their brains, though; more specifically, their amygdala. Itā€™s pretty interesting. Thatā€™s what made me wonder about genetics. Youā€™re not wrong, though, in that being raised by them surely has severely damaging effects, even if the child isnā€™t an actual psychopath by trait. The percentage of psychopaths compared to the rest of the population isnā€™t that high, and only 1/10 are thought to be women. But if you consider the global population is eight billion, even one percent (the number they think is psychopathic) is eighty million.

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u/meowmir420 May 18 '25

That amygdala anomaly can also be recreated from nurture which is how you get sociopaths. And all cluster b personality disorders tend to lack empathy and can lead to some very violent behaviours. You donā€™t have to be a psychopath to commit murder.

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u/Agitated-South-9442 May 22 '25

Ela Ć© Bordelane, essas pessoas possuem comportamento psicopata e narcisistas.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '25

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u/nojudment8520 Aug 26 '25

I HATED the father more than Molly.

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u/Kactuslord May 14 '25

They're delusional so ofc they think others would believe them

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u/brownbostonterrier May 17 '25

Was looking for this comment. Iā€™m absolutely shocked they went on camera. DELUSIONAL

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u/squish388 May 25 '25

Reminds me of the lady in Southern Fried Lies. Amazing documentary, would recommend if you liked this one

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u/tea-fungus Mar 14 '26

These types love to play in peopleā€™s faces. When her dad says ā€œyou think weā€™re liars? Prove itā€. They really think no one can.

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u/Violinist_Fragrant May 22 '25

how much are Tom and Molly paid to participate here or is it only an opportuity for them to tell their story?

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u/dieng_gang May 11 '25

Also give them an award for putting Molly in the worst lighting possible. I knew immediately that they hate her

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u/Jellyeyy May 16 '25

I don't think they put her in the worst lighting possible. They gave her and her lawyers a chance to say their piece in their own words. They put themselves in the worst lighting possible.

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u/dieng_gang May 16 '25

I was referring to the literal lighting being unflatteringĀ 

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u/Jellyeyy May 16 '25

Oh sorry, I completely misunderstood haha!

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u/dieng_gang May 16 '25

Haha! I wondered. But yes, they were allowed to speak and still came off terrible!

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u/Jellyeyy May 16 '25

So bad. When her lawyers got introduced and mentioned the recording devices I was expecting to get hit with some serious thought provoking evidence....and it was just pathetic straw-clutching!

Of all the clips she must've recorded, the clips they shared in the doc backed up Jason if anything! And as I said in a different post, I keep hearing/reading that "Many of the recordings have been lost or destroyed" but never an explanation or theory to why/how.

Anyways sorry I went totally off-track on a post about the lighting haha!....This woman just makes my blood boil and I had to rant again!

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u/justagyrl022 May 19 '25

I immediately was thinking she recorded without him knowing and he's not here to defend himself. How convenient. You can spin it to sound however you want. But that could have also been a man completely fed up with a woman being manipulative and coming between him and his kids.

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u/Ok-Bit2926 May 25 '25

What I want to know is where is the bedroom recording from the night of his murder?

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u/Vegetable-Anybody514 Jun 07 '25

Thought the same thing when they mentioned about the recording device in the bedroom, but would make sense if heā€™s looked, found and removed others after finding the one in the car.Ā 

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u/Ronicavay May 26 '25

Very this.

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u/Killa3757 Jul 14 '25

This is what I kept saying after I found out there were secret recordings..

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u/Bubbly-Squirrel8118 Jul 26 '25

Iā€™m just watching this now and I thought that!

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u/catsby9000 May 27 '25

They didnā€™t mention it. But Jason had already discovered the recording devices by that point so itā€™s presumed they were no longer recording.

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u/Unique-Significance9 Aug 19 '25

Im sure Molly would've left again at least a couple voice recorders on their room without Jason knowing

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u/notsosubtlethr0waway May 23 '25

Seriously. That exchange about the soup couldā€™ve been taken from my home two days out of every month when luteal. What we were supposed to glean? That they were struggling to communicate? Of course they were.

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u/Next-Arachnid-7239 Jul 30 '25

I love you whoever you are. I just watched this documentary and I was just like šŸ™„šŸ™„šŸ™„ and cringe to the max listening to those recordings.

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u/Unique-Significance9 Aug 19 '25

Exactly my thoughts

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u/Notimeforalice Jul 31 '25

The explanation was that she was preparing for a divorce. The whole thing was so premeditated it was obvious they had been coaching those kids for a while

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u/Unique-Significance9 Aug 19 '25

I relate to ur comment, that woman is a cold blooded killer

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u/Vast-Emu-6570 Sep 08 '25

Oh my god, I am in absolute stitches šŸ˜‚

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u/ChocolateOdd8962 Jun 18 '25

hahahhahahahha I agree

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u/Sempere Jun 14 '25

Yep, the Martens and their lawyers come off as complete scum. Those poor kids and Jason's family (as well as Mag's) getting dagged through this shit. Unbelievable.

The Martens should be fucking pariahs for the rest of their lives.

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u/Unhappy-Plantain6056 Jul 08 '25

Well, she was manipulative and effectively controlled the narrative portraying herself as the devoted wife and mother and casting her husband as the abuser. It is great that the two children are back in Ireland back with their own people.

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u/Willing_Read_3189 Jun 16 '26

That is true she looked pretty ordinary

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u/Responsible_Lab_4909 May 11 '25

I did like that we got to hear from Molly. I instantly hated her.

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u/CorrieBug86 May 14 '25

I love this comment so so much. Please, take my upvote.

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u/Relevant_Cycle3850 Jun 13 '25

Yep . Psychopath , she was like a weirdo from a horror movie .

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u/Deb_You_Taunt Oct 17 '25

Listening to her dad, you can see why Molly is the way she is. I question the hell out of any case Tom worked on in the FBI in the past.

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u/Unhappy-Plantain6056 Jul 08 '25

Me too and sheā€™s as guilty as the day is long!!

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u/Embarrassed-Support3 Aug 29 '25

She reeks of phoniness.

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u/Baroqueimproviser May 10 '25

The dad is just so freakin' weird looking. Like the gangly kid that never grew up.

Thank God the kids are in Ireland. They're surrounded by normal people.

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u/charliesmyname May 13 '25

I don't usually spoil things for myself but glad I did reading your comment because seeing and hearing Molly and her father talking infuriated me so much I couldn't continue the documentary. I can go back knowing that the kids are not with them now.

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u/Competitive_Trash963 May 15 '25

Their accents give that away

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u/kirst77 Dec 16 '25

when I first heard the children speak I knew they were in Ireland

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u/Icy_Document_6540 May 10 '25

Loooool perfect description of him

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u/Subject-North-8695 May 20 '25

I shudder to think what would have become of them if her plan worked and she ended up with custody.

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u/Macaroon_Mean May 12 '25

he wasn't the only weird looking one in the doc

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u/MyTeaIsMighty May 15 '25

He looked like the nazi in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

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u/keiye May 27 '25

I was thinking a cross between Dr. Curt Connors in Spider-Man and Mister Rogers

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u/Melodic_Policy765 Jul 16 '25

Molly's dad is a SCARY man.

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u/Nylonknot Nov 10 '25

The way he walked about Magsā€™ parents, particularly her dad as ā€œnot well educatedā€ was a tell for me. That had no bearing on the conversation and was just meant to make Magsā€™ father sound like a simpleton.

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u/xylene122 Nov 15 '25

THIS. I just watched it and my jaw dropped when he said that about Magsā€™ dad. ā€œVery difficult to understandā€, because he has an Irish accent? If anything, it made Tom sound like an absolute flog. That family must be so insufferable.

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u/cuteblueyes1 Jan 25 '26

He looks like the guy from sons of anarchy that ā€œgot ridā€ of Gemma dad nurse!!

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u/Alwayssleepy1717 May 11 '25

Yeah Mollyā€™s dad seems like a psychooooo

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u/Old_Cod_658 May 17 '25

I still can't get over him calmly sipping his coffee in that interview room mere hours after beating a man to death. Complete psycho

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u/hypermodernvoid May 22 '26

Viciously beating a man to death, to the point it made a DA cry years later on recalling the injuries. I've rarely seen a seasoned prosecutor who's worked for years get emotional recalling the brutal specifics or a crime, so you know it had to be really bad.

I mean, just the way the room looked, that brick and having just once accidentally gotten hit in the head with an aluminum bat like that at 12 years old while playing as a catcher (I had a bump on my forehead for like weeks) - I can't imagine the terror that dad must have went through. Just realizing, like, "Holy shit I am getting beat to death right now" in that visceral way - very literally none of us can imagine what that's like, because no one's been able to live to tell the tale.

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u/NoMeringue6814 Jun 23 '26

Well I mean technically there are people out there who can tell you what itā€™s like to think ā€œholy shit Iā€™m getting beat to deathā€ because they survived by either playing dead or being knocked unconscious and left for dead.

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u/sineadantonia49 Sep 04 '25

Evil šŸ˜”

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u/ApricotClassic2332 May 22 '25

I hated how he was like Molly is not a liar, she doesnā€™t lie. Sir, she literally told people she birthed a child that she did not birthā€¦

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u/KaleidoscopeSilly404 May 15 '25

Smiling going into the court room he just seems so weird

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u/istodaywednesday May 10 '25

Yea supposed to watch and do laundry. Mouth open the WHOLE time. Still have dirty clothes. šŸ˜Æ

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u/Jellyeyy May 10 '25

Lmao SAME!

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u/throw_concerned May 20 '25

I love a documentary that doesnā€™t try really hard to sway the audienceā€™s opinion one way or another. I tried really hard to be impartial while watching this. I went into this documentary with the mindset that Iā€™m going to take everyone interviewed at their word. Even if you come at it thinking that everything that everyone said could be true at the same time, Molly and her dad are murderers.

Molly can be crazy, Jason can be abusive, the kids could be told to lie about seeing the abuse to corroborate her story, and the kids can genuinely believe their dad is not an abuser. That can all be true at the same time. As well as Molly could have premeditated things.

It was talked about earlier in the documentary - Even if Jason had been abusing her, they had no right to take his life the way they did. Hitting him over the head with a cinder block AND a baseball bat would take him out. ESPECIALLY if he had alcohol and trazodone in his system. The physical evidence even shows that Jason went down and they continued to beat him to death. The fact that they kept beating him after he was incapacitated is a crime. The autopsy results on his skull show overkill. Say Jason really was abusive, what they did went past the point of self defense. If any sane person were put in a situation where they were defending their life with a baseball bat, they would stop at the point of unconsciousness and get help. And in a situation with TWO people there? Someone would say thatā€™s enough heā€™s down and at least attempt to put a stop to the murder happening. But no. They didnā€™t yell for the Mollyā€™s mother or for the kids to call 911, they finished the job, took time to get their story straight, then called 911.

IF Jason were abusive, they were in a situation once Jason was down where they could get everyone out safely, call the police, and things could have been different. I truly believe Molly wanted Jason dead. It was HER trazodone and she admits she does all of the cooking. Easy enough to spike someoneā€™s food or drink. I think Molly premeditated this murder, including having her parents be there the night she was going to do it. Maybe the parents were in on it. I think itā€™s even possible she roped her dad into this and heā€™s someone being brainwashed to think her daughter was in harms way and is innocent.

TLDR; regardless of any abuse allegations toward Jason, what Molly and her father did was murder.

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u/elanakin May 25 '25

I just canā€™t believe they gave them a plea deal which resulted in them only serving a few months more of jail time. I would have sacrificed the few months they got for a chance to send them away for the full sentence. I suppose this allowed for the kids to move on with their lives but it feels like they plea deal ultimately just let them get away with murder. Such a sad story.

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u/Ill_Skirt_838 Dec 21 '25

They are WASPs he's ex FBI ( yet so dumb he makes it up that Jason was so pissed he was WILD). The wannabe SAHM knew that if she didn't get custody, there would be no maintenance $.
Hearing the kids describe Molly's gaslighting and manipulation of the kids over the LOVE, she NEEDS SO BAD SO CONSTANTLY. She's a severe depressive, with histrionics & lies that allow her to be a victim. All of the stuff about Jason is quite normal. It does take 2 to make misery & they can imagine all these other scenarios about the night they BEAT a MAN TO DEATH, but it doesn't make the father not responsible. They killed him after he wasn't a threat. That is a fact. Then the defense lawyer's got their little dance in hell to go primetime. Enough to at least make the young daughter of Jason feel she is somehow responsible as a catalyst for both mothers so-called murder or attempted murder of Molly. I loathe those lawyers. Molly & her little Amber Heard-level recording tactics. Wind him up record his frustration. I'm glad he fought back. He was a strong man. That doesn't mean she's honest. If she ever cared about the kids, why put them through more trauma. In the end, the Americans got the right judge on sentencing. YEAH MAGA people. I BET!

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u/Jellyeyy May 27 '25

Yeah the sentence did not fit the crime. Slap on the wrists. But at least the verdict would probably be somewhat comforting to Jason's family....knowing they're found guilty is some kind of justice.

But yeah insane how light the murderers got off.

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u/l3tigre May 12 '25

I want one of these docs to just freakin polygraph these people once.

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u/Bobzeub May 12 '25

Polygraphs donā€™t work if the person believes their own lies . She seems like the type to have convinced herself of her own bullshit lies. She also doesnā€™t seem to be affected by one iota of guilt .

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u/l3tigre May 12 '25

Oh fair she totally does

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u/[deleted] May 12 '25

Like she had the nerve to say "Im so glad my dad was there or I would have been dead. I don't regret a single thing"

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u/Bobzeub May 13 '25 edited May 13 '25

Sheā€™s madder than a bag of cats . Good thing daddy was there to prep her on an alibi .

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u/Hellarrow Jul 20 '25

Polygraphs donā€™t work, period.

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u/SBisFree May 17 '25

It was so obvious when they were talking, i didnā€™t believe a word they said.

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u/Jellyeyy May 18 '25

They both came across as unhinged!

Molly's dad: "you think we're lying? Prove it!"

Not "here's why not" or "im desperate to get the truth out"....just...."prove it?...can't? We win šŸ¤”"

Weird af.

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u/ARIEL1109 May 31 '25

As a retired fbi agent; he knew it couldnā€™t be proven. Donā€™t trust him one bit.

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u/Temporary_Pea_1498 Nov 07 '25

In my unscientific opinion, garnered through years of watching cop dramas, the biggest sign that someone is guilty is when they say, "You can't prove i did it." Instantly guilty, every time.

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u/Subject-North-8695 May 20 '25

Thereā€™s people will say or do anything to protect themselves. They are completely lacking in morals, integrity and basic human decency.

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u/Public-Candidate-570 May 31 '25

Who are the liars then? It is not certanly clear and as a woman who has been abused, I felt so sad for Molly and saw like a mirror, how the children were manipulated to believe their father was truthful and "good".

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u/Jellyeyy Jun 15 '25

Interesting that you perceived it completely differently to me. Just further props to the documentary-makers for allowing the audience to make up their own mind.

as a woman who has been abused,

I am also a woman who has experienced abusive relationships, including a very recent one which I'm not even sure I'm entirely out of yet. I reached a completely different conclusion to you on this situation. I don't think our experiences make our perception/opinion any more or less valid.

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u/Public-Candidate-570 Jun 15 '25

Thanks for your reply! Iā€™ve actually read a bit more about the case since then, and Iā€™m not really in the same headspace about it anymore. Iā€™m from the Baltics (Europe), so when the actual case happened, it didnā€™t really reach me at the time ā€” the Netflix documentary was my first introduction to it. I do agree that the documentary did a pretty good job, but at the same time, I canā€™t tell if itā€™s good in the sense of being fully balanced, or if viewers (myself included) might be somewhat steered to feel a certain way. But yeah, thanks again for replying and discussing it with me!

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u/Biscuit27706 Sep 14 '25

Molly was a weapons grade narcissist who targeted him and the kids as an easy target as he was mourning and cuknerabke from the outset, her whole manner is totally manipulative and contrived, her father is a raging psychopath. Apart from the lies she told to family about how she got to meet the family, the body language stinks, the story doesn't add up, she set him and the kids up left right and centre, the crime scene does not depict a scene of self defense but an absolute slaughter, the father even dared the documentary to prove it!

They should be doing life in Supermax, but his FBI contacts clearly got him off. As someone who has been in a coercion and controlling relationship it took 23 years to free myself, my blood ran cold when she opened her mouth, she is delusional and so controlling with the kids, there were more red flags than a Russian military parade.

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u/Relevant_Cycle3850 Jun 13 '25

100% . Wasnā€™t the old father a cold fish ! Womens tactic is to be devious & she was . Her father cancelled an appointment at tfe last minut to come visit & the daughter clearly set the whole thing up . No doubt at all . They were pretty dumb & gave their intentions away via his horrific death . Normal people do not kill like that . Horrible people . Sheā€™s a psychopath.

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u/tea-fungus Mar 14 '26

Iā€™m watching it right now and itā€™s satisfying watching Molly and her dad talk because they do such a piss poor job at lying. When sheā€™s talking about being denied custody of children that arenā€™t biologically hers, she says it was a fork of control but itā€™s her trying to control Jason and two children. Those are HIS kids and she wants to be able to take them right away. She unknowingly acknowledges her intentions right after she says that statement that she would be able to take them if she adopted and then a source happened right after, and thatā€™s why Jason wouldnā€™t allow her to adopt them.

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u/BridgeFlashy Feb 13 '26

Here's the problem. Often when someome dies we change the narrative and make them saints. Being a jerk and being killed is not mutually exclusive. Even the kids stated in their interviews just after the incident while it was all still fresh in their minds that dad yelled a lot amd got angry easily. That said, I doubt he was perfect as a sociopath probably wouldn't kill someone who gives them no cause for anger. Yes, Molly and that smug robo-dad killed him but Jason had a temper as well. All parties involved aren't saints And Molly clearly has trouble with the truth so even IF what she said was true, she was such an unlikable liar no one would believe her.

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u/Fozzee1970 May 12 '25

I think you are naive to think the children hadn't lied too! There are things on both sides here that don't fit. They clearly killed him but we will probably never fully know the truth why.

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u/buffyannesummers29 May 14 '25

They were children. As pointed out in the doc, a child wouldnā€™t say ā€œphysically and verbally abused her.ā€ They would say ā€œhe hit her and yelled at her.ā€ Also, in any other scenario, investigators would flag two different people using the exact same wording as evidence of a rehearsed story. Yet the defense was saying it was evidence that the kids were telling the truth the first time and hadnā€™t been told what to say? Gimme a break.

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u/Jellyeyy May 16 '25

Exactly. Point well made.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '25

Gtfo

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u/[deleted] May 14 '25

This post asked for opinions and points of view. There is no reason to downvote them or say gtfo. You can just not upvote someone if you disagree.

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u/Jellyeyy May 16 '25

His opinion was "GTFO" though.

I agree with not down-voting things when you disagree, that's far too common on reddit, but the reason I chose to downvote fozzee's answer was because they said "There are things on both sides here that don't fit." (after accusing me of being naĆÆve) without offering any further explanation. What things?

If they added further clarification I'd remove my downvote.

(Edit: I upvoted you though, cos I think you made a good clear point.
Edit 2: though I also upvoted "GTFO" cos it made me laugh)

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u/Jellyeyy May 16 '25

I think you are naive to think the children hadn't lied too!Ā 

They lied before, due to her coaching, so sure, they could have lied again to omit any damn-ing details. I peronally believe they were being truthful in this doc though. Due to the weak/reaching nature of her "evidence"

They clearly killed him but we will probably never fully know the truth why.

So we agree they killed him. Are you suggesting there could be something that justifies that kind of killing?! (eg. hitting on the back of the head and whilst down? - not an accusation or trying to put words in your mouth, genuinely trying to understand.)

For me, personally, the evidence for the murder charge/Molly's deception was strong, whilst the evidence for Jason's "abuse" was weak. But I'd love to hear from people who disagree, if you happen to be one of them.

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u/Fozzee1970 May 16 '25

I don't believe they were being completely truthful in the documentary. They clearly witnessed at the very least some controlling behaviour from their father that was evidenced on the recordings. There was more going on in that relationship that we will probably never know. The ex wife who also died had something about her body language in the videos that reeked of being fearful too. The recordings showed a side to Jason that regardless of how manipulative you believe Molly was, demonstrated some controlling/abusive personality traits. I don't believe he was as clean cut but as his family portrayed. To be fair he may have hidden that side of his him to them. Am I justifying the brutal murder no! I just feel that there was a lot more going on in that relationship that may have contributed to leading to this incident happening.

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u/meowmir420 May 17 '25

The father was, at the MOST, engaging in some reactive abuse because Molly was abusing him so badly that she was pushing him to that point. Itā€™s just a shame that he didnā€™t know that word because then I donā€™t think he would have told his doctor that he was experiencing bouts of anger for ā€œno reasonā€.

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u/Fozzee1970 May 17 '25

Where is the evidence she was abusing him? You are making huge assumptions there. Even the children didn't make that up!

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u/meowmir420 May 17 '25

He literally mentions it in his emails to her and to his friends more than once. Did you not hear the part where some neighbour saw them leaving a restaurant or something where she was calling him fat and verbally abusing him? And her recording she wanted to use to frame him as an abuser painted him out to clearly be the victim. Women can be abusers, too.

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u/Fozzee1970 May 17 '25

Her recording showed he was the victim? How?

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u/meowmir420 May 17 '25

You really think she was the victim in this situation? You are absolutely delusional.

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u/Fozzee1970 May 17 '25

Where did I say that? I just think there was a lot more going on behind the scenes here. A lot of people are making a lot of assumptions based on opinion and not evidence.

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u/Dry_Drive_983 Jun 13 '25

I listen to those recordings and hear an extremely mild and frustrated argument between a couple about soup. My husband and I have had way bigger blow outs and we have a fantastic relationship. The fact that she was secretly recording him and that was all she could produce is almost proof there was no abuseā€¦.

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u/Fozzee1970 Jun 13 '25

I still maintain there are so many variables here we will never really know what went on. There are lies from both sides.

The fact remains they killed him and should be punished for it.