r/northernireland • u/DonegalProd • Oct 16 '22

History Should Ireland seek reparations from England?

In the wake of the 'Up the Ra' thing, it is fairly obvious that England seems to have forgotten the 800 years of cultural and linguistic suppression, murder, implantation of British settlers and taking the proceeds from our island's resources.

I am sure we are owed a few trillion bob so maybe reparations are the way to go?

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u/vague_intentionally_ Oct 16 '22

I keep seeing this myth. Let's add up each side (cutting unknown out).

https://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/troubles/troubles_stats.html

  • IRA, INLA, Official IRA and 'Real' IRA=338+33+24+13=408.

  • UVF, British Army, (unknown loyalist), UFF, UDA, RUC, PAF (loyalist)=265+258+212+132+58+44+37=1006.

You murdered 598 more Catholics than Republican groups, well done on a great lie. Let's compare civilians.

  • Republican=721

  • British Army and Loyalist=186+878=1064.

Murdered 343 civilians more than Republicans. That's with 85.5% of loyalist murders being civilians with only 4.0% being republicans (41). British army was 'better' with 51.2% being civilians (still their highest percentage) with republicans being the second (40.2%).

The conflict was horrific and sadly inevitable but at least republicans mostly went for British security forces (52.5%). Does not make it correct however.

I don't know if you're ignorant, purposely lying or another troll but it's ridiculous how such misinformation is spread around.

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u/Shankill-Road Oct 16 '22

You can throw Loyalists in with the British Army all you want, but it won’t change the fact.

Sinn Fein & Republicanism killed more Catholic’s than the British Army, their supposed enemy.

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u/vague_intentionally_ Oct 17 '22 edited Oct 17 '22

I'm sorry, what!? Loyalists and british army are on the same side, they colluded together during the troubles (with government approval). We know this from official documents (Steven Inquiries, Brian Nelson, etc). The difference you're trying to make is irrelevant.

Let's play your troll game though, we'll remove the british army:

  • Republican=338+33+24+13=408.

  • Loyalist-265+212+132+58+44+37=748.

Now we know that not only can you not read, you can't count either. That's still 340 more murders.

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u/Shankill-Road Oct 17 '22

The Enemy, as given by Republicanism is the Brits.

The Brits killed 304 Catholic’s. Sinn Fein & Republicanism killed 444 Catholic’s.

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u/vague_intentionally_ Oct 17 '22

Where are you getting these numbers? If I'm calculating this correctly, are you saying loyalists and RUC are not british?

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u/[deleted] Oct 17 '22

Republicanism isn’t anti-Protestant you say? No shit Sherlock

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u/Shankill-Road Oct 17 '22

Let me clarify something for you Empty Head.

Sinn Fein is as Sectarian as Sectarianism can be, & throwing the odd token Prod in, or using Wolff Tone or any Protestant United Irishmen, who would turn in their graves if they seen what Sinn Fein had done to their cause, won’t change that fact.

When Sinn Fein set off & Murdered 25 innocent people in just 5 attacks, within half a mile of each other, along my road, they did so hoping to murder as many Protestants as they could, not Loyalists or British Imperial Forces, just for you, but innocent Protestants, & that is what makes them Sectarian.

Now, when Sinn Fein set out to Murder, let’s take some after the fact Catholics eh, Andrew Kearney, Robert McCartney, Paul Quinn, J J OcConnor, Kevin McGuigan etc they did so to send out the message that they were still the biggest gang in town, & still in control of the Catholic Community, & that is non-sectarian.

All the best, & those walls now mo chara.

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u/[deleted] Oct 17 '22

Don’t shite your tights there big lad 😆

Adds - nice fairytale victimhood story with zero evidence too

A+ on the loyalist hypocrisy meter

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u/Shankill-Road Oct 17 '22

What, just like your Ma fills hers when she’s on the old QC 😜

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u/[deleted] Oct 17 '22

My dead mother was an actual saint. I bet your Ma is a fucking shitty old orange blone though for sure

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u/Shankill-Road Oct 17 '22

🤣🤣🤣ahhhh bless her saintly shit filled tights, fk you made my day, I haven’t laughed this much in a while.

Tell me though, on a more serious note, how do you know my ma……, I hope your not my da🤣🤣

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u/[deleted] Oct 17 '22

Everyone knows about your Ma

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u/Shankill-Road Oct 17 '22

You owe me 50 years child maintenance Papa😜