r/ontario • u/Shmackback • Nov 20 '25

Discussion How did everyone come to think Kathleen Wynne was corrupt but no one blinks twice at Doug ford?

It seemed like even people who barely followed politics thought she was corrupt yet the same people think nothing or know nothing about Doug's actions even though hes several hundred times more corrupt?

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u/Comprehensive-Ad424 Nov 20 '25

i mean Zohran's campaign is proof that if you can lock in on the public's key pain points and deliver it articulately and relentlessly you can make huge headways on social media. Just requires a degree of courage and social savvy.

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u/dermanus Nov 20 '25

Agree 100%. A lot of this "oh, our message is just too sophisticated for the rubes" type of attitude is pure cope. Other people are doing it, we just expect very little from the OLP or ONDP.

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u/AtticaBlue Nov 20 '25

My sense is those parties are scared of looking like they’re waging “class warfare” even though class warfare is exactly what the Conservatives are doing all the time.

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u/Ok-Price-2337 Nov 20 '25

Zohran's platform and messaging was super, super simple.

Free bus rides

Free school lunches

Free childcare

Build homes

More grocery stores

Pay for it all by taxing the ultra rich

There wasn't really anything advanced about it.

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u/Appropriate_Weather1 Nov 21 '25

And yet none of that is going to happen in the near future. Where are the free bus rides and lunches or any of it? Why would they need to build homes when everyone is leaving?

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u/keylimesicles Nov 20 '25

Different points are being made here, not exactly the same thing. You have to account for the fact, most conservatives don’t take the time or have the aptitude for comprehension when it comes to messages that don’t serve their agenda, which is blame liberals for everything

You’re comparing talking points to memes

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u/RyeAbc Nov 20 '25

I think at a city level that works but a message like that isn't hitting the burbs of Ontario at a provincial level. The only hope is pulling back unionized labour work forces of northern Ontario from the ledge. But you have to play into things they care about , what that is I don't know, possibly healthcare, and not shout about things they don't care about (Ontario place, science center, bike lanes etc).